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On March 17 2012 03:17 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 02:59 Slardar wrote:
Ok guys chillax! <3
@MrCon - BH is more of a designated Ganker than a carry. I.E. Pudge, except he just happens to be agility. Any agility hero then by definition "can be a carry" therein lies the problem. With equal items, or even just 1 big item of my hypothetical choosing, Weaver will be way more of a threat/carry than BH will, for a long long time. Yeah. I guess I'm too used to see gondar in pubs with 6 items roflstomping everything xD But weaver need to farm even longer than antimage to be useful, and against navi that kills the first tower before the 4th minute mark it looked like a not very sensible pick.
That used to be the older way of playing Weaver (I.E. 2009 --> Farm Radiance, then be a huge threat). So if you look at it from that perspective, yes Weaver needs farm and is useless.
Now if you look at it from the new-gen, Weaver is a brilliant pick. Weaver is actually a monster early-mid game in terms of DPS, so now people are focusing on building mid-game items and teamfighting with him. Treads-->Janggo is all he really needs. Swarm, Skukuchi and Geminate do a brickload of damage.
Also #1 Pet Peeve, people copy and pasting my exact post in different text, and then complaining about a typo. Lol <3 Yango
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On March 17 2012 03:17 MrCon wrote:
But weaver need to farm even longer than antimage to be useful, and against navi that kills the first tower before the 4th minute mark it looked like a not very sensible pick.
No he doesn't. Weaver is very strong in midgame fights with just Treads and Janggo. Shukuchi and Time Lapse are as useful as always, and The Swarm has phenomenal base damage and armor reduction.
The problem is that most teams are still used to playing the Vanguard/Hood->Radiance builds, which don't do anything until Radiance is done.
Also, #1 pet peeve about Weaver: there's no R in GEMINATE attack. Geminate meaning "twin" as in "Gemini".
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On March 17 2012 03:22 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 03:17 MrCon wrote:On March 17 2012 02:59 Slardar wrote:
Ok guys chillax! <3
@MrCon - BH is more of a designated Ganker than a carry. I.E. Pudge, except he just happens to be agility. Any agility hero then by definition "can be a carry" therein lies the problem. With equal items, or even just 1 big item of my hypothetical choosing, Weaver will be way more of a threat/carry than BH will, for a long long time. Yeah. I guess I'm too used to see gondar in pubs with 6 items roflstomping everything xD But weaver need to farm even longer than antimage to be useful, and against navi that kills the first tower before the 4th minute mark it looked like a not very sensible pick. That used to be the older way of playing Weaver (I.E. 2009 --> Farm Radiance, then be a huge threat). So if you look at it from that perspective, yes Weaver needs farm and is useless. Now if you look at it from the new-gen, Weaver is a brilliant pick. Weaver is actually a monster early-mid game in terms of DPS, so now people are focusing on building mid-game items and teamfighting with him. Treads-->Janggo is all he really needs. Swarm, Skukuchi and Germinate do a brickload of damage.
Ok. Yeah, I was a wc3 player, I followed dota and stopped a month or two after Kunka was introduced. Just got back because I have a dota 2 key, in my mind reaver was like you described it, radiance into more farm into more farm into some more farm into win.
(but even then it seems to me that gondar would perhaps been better, in fact I've seen him a couple times in recent pro games, and in the last game weaver was just a non factor, it was 4vs5 from the beginning)
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nvm starladder overlay lied to me, real sad.
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On March 17 2012 03:42 red_ wrote:
Oh shit Playmate is back!
They had Playmate listed last time too but it was actually Demon who was playing
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Lol is Link retarded or is this some new meta to get vanguard on Riki. I think that is one of the dumbest items to get on Riki there is..
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Hm, watching a Russian cast for the first time.. interesting experience.
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On March 17 2012 04:05 Zlasher wrote:
Lol is Link retarded or is this some new meta to get vanguard on Riki. I think that is one of the dumbest items to get on Riki there is..
It's not really all that out there.
You're going to get Stout Shield for laning, and unless you're trilaning, most smart opposing lanes will be able to harass you hard enough that you'll need RoH. From that point, your options are pretty much Vanguard or PMS+Hood or BFury, and of those 3, Vanguard is arguably the best choice (excepting Hood vs. some extremely magic damage-centric teams), especially given how low Riki's base HP is.
If you somehow miraculously get a lane where you don't need the RoH, it becomes much less appealing.
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XBOCT gets vanguard on Riki too
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On March 17 2012 04:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 04:05 Zlasher wrote:
Lol is Link retarded or is this some new meta to get vanguard on Riki. I think that is one of the dumbest items to get on Riki there is.. It's not really all that out there. You're going to get Stout Shield for laning, and unless you're trilaning, most smart opposing lanes will be able to harass you hard enough that you'll need RoH. From that point, your options are pretty much Vanguard or PMS+Hood or BFury, and of those 3, Vanguard is arguably the best choice (excepting Hood vs. some extremely magic damage-centric teams), especially given how low Riki's base HP is. If you somehow miraculously get a lane where you don't need the RoH, it becomes much less appealing.
yep.
it's just a very situational item on riki, not sure why zlasher needed to ask if link is retarded for getting it. 
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Eg turned around that fight on top really well. Enjoying v1lats casting as well!
Edit: lol post number 1000, what a way to use it!
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I feel like PMS is so much stronger though, on Riki, utilizes any slippers he might buy and the 2k gold it costs as opposed to 300 that the slippers cost...1700 gold and a faster completion basically amounts to the two blades towards riki's diffusal...or 100% complete treads and a cool 250 gold on top.
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On March 17 2012 04:15 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Eg turned around that fight on top really well. Enjoying v1lats casting as well!
Edit: lol post number 1000, what a way to use it!
Surprised your 1000th wasn't trying to post a subtle brag end game screenshot Kappa
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older way of playing weaver still is nice if you are ahead, but people need to keep in mind he's not a very good option for a 4-1 hero because his bugs scale badly, and if he's disabled down all you have is shukuchi/time lapse which is a shaky durability foundation at best (if you look at all the other better 4-1 carries, they all have something better than this). he needs another anchor to help distribute the carry load.
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And demon fucked THAT one up...pushed too aggressively and got caught with his pants down, followed by misclick while running away which got SF to have enough auto attacks to kill him.
I miss playmate.
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On March 17 2012 04:15 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Eg turned around that fight on top really well. Enjoying v1lats casting as well!
Edit: lol post number 1000, what a way to use it!
That is casper not vilat
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On March 17 2012 04:15 Zlasher wrote:
I feel like PMS is so much stronger though, on Riki, utilizes any slippers he might buy and the 2k gold it costs as opposed to 300 that the slippers cost...1700 gold and a faster completion basically amounts to the two blades towards riki's diffusal...or 100% complete treads and a cool 250 gold on top.
if he does bad all you have is treads for your durability which against a lot of midgame push-gank aggression lineups, does nothing and riki gets nuked up. good teams will force the hand properly.
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MANIAAAAAAAAAA
that was unexpected
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EPT
