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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 16 2012 13:46 GMT
#4701
On March 16 2012 22:40 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 22:29 red_ wrote:
To the people that follow DotA1 competition still: do you think the new additions to -cm will see much play(specifically interested in Rubick/Wisp)?

not sure about rubick but wisp is just too defensive. I often think about Io as a CM but for defensive usage rather than offensive. If thats the case the onyl way i see this working out is picking wisp ursa/sylla and try to rosh lv1. Otherwise i think KoTL can do a better job

I used to pubstomp as dazzle + wisp, 90% first blood rate with poison touch + tether. Also heal doubles on dazzle via link making him nearly unkillable :D Though his support might be to one hero focused for many line-ups
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2727 Posts
March 16 2012 13:55 GMT
#4702
On March 16 2012 22:24 zomgE wrote:
game already dead? takes 20min to find a game if then even.


I hate leavers like you.
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
March 16 2012 14:03 GMT
#4703
On March 16 2012 22:40 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 22:29 red_ wrote:
To the people that follow DotA1 competition still: do you think the new additions to -cm will see much play(specifically interested in Rubick/Wisp)?

not sure about rubick but wisp is just too defensive. I often think about Io as a CM but for defensive usage rather than offensive. If thats the case the onyl way i see this working out is picking wisp ursa/sylla and try to rosh lv1. Otherwise i think KoTL can do a better job


I've got to say I disagree. I think Wisp is pretty bad for the laning phases, and he's not a pusher, but that doesn't make him defensive. If you can have good ward coverage in the opponents jungle you can pretty much stop them from farming with global ganks; it's like a free smoke and escape mechanism for two, and he brings a stun and slow not counting whoever he's bringing along.

I don't think he'll be played much in pro games because of his poor laning ability, but I don't think one should call him defensive, nor is he analogous to cm.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 14:06:11
March 16 2012 14:05 GMT
#4704
oops
Moderator
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
March 16 2012 14:22 GMT
#4705
On March 16 2012 22:55 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 22:24 zomgE wrote:
game already dead? takes 20min to find a game if then even.


I hate leavers like you.

0 abandon bits. only 53 games tho but still.
i just haven't played in almost 2 months and i remember queues being 5 min tops >.<
Also funny thing they're releasing the heroes so slow it's gonna take years.

On March 16 2012 22:34 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 22:24 zomgE wrote:
game already dead? takes 20min to find a game if then even.

welcome to leaver queue

wasn't even cos of that, it took 23 mins to find the first game then 1 player ofc declined it/was afk to accept
Dantelew
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada63 Posts
March 16 2012 14:26 GMT
#4706
On March 16 2012 23:22 zomgE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 22:55 haitike wrote:
On March 16 2012 22:24 zomgE wrote:
game already dead? takes 20min to find a game if then even.


I hate leavers like you.

0 abandon bits. only 53 games tho but still.
i just haven't played in almost 2 months and i remember queues being 5 min tops >.<
Also funny thing they're releasing the heroes so slow it's gonna take years.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 22:34 Dead9 wrote:
On March 16 2012 22:24 zomgE wrote:
game already dead? takes 20min to find a game if then even.

welcome to leaver queue

wasn't even cos of that, it took 23 mins to find the first game then 1 player ofc declined it/was afk to accept


Average time for me has been 3 minutes, no longer than 5 usually..

However last night I did get about a 9 minute queue which was completely out of the ordinary, so if you have no leaves it could just be a one off experience. Server did sort of feel sluggish to me last night.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 16 2012 14:29 GMT
#4707
Could have misheard, but NGF commentators saying DK practicing some DotA 2?

This could be interesting.
Moderator
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
March 16 2012 14:30 GMT
#4708
yeah hopefully it was just some random bad luck or something. gotta try later just got mad cos i wanted to play a game quick
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 16 2012 14:30 GMT
#4709
On March 16 2012 23:29 TheYango wrote:
Could have misheard, but NGF commentators saying DK practicing some DotA 2?

This could be interesting.

yeaaaah china
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 16 2012 15:12 GMT
#4710
Shadow Demon is on ?
holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 16 2012 15:22 GMT
#4711
On March 16 2012 23:29 TheYango wrote:
Could have misheard, but NGF commentators saying DK practicing some DotA 2?

This could be interesting.

didnt they say the woulnt have the same teams for dota1 and dota2, I remember reading that somewhere
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 16 2012 16:07 GMT
#4712
hmm, Pub current meta game:
1/ Pick SD
2/ If Invoker, do QE.
3/ If Batrider, max flamebreak

kill me now :O

Personally i think QW on invoker is still incredibly strong due to the movement speed and mobility of invoker. QE even didnt got nerf but invoker became a glass cannon and need a good team to cover his ass (not happening in pub). A slight dmg nerf and skill gap increase simply is nothing compare to a mad over 9000 range disable and mana drain before teamfight happen.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 16 2012 16:15 GMT
#4713
On March 16 2012 10:48 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 10:39 dragonborn wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:18 NB wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:08 dragonborn wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2703-kuroky-push-strat-is-not-the-meta-game

+ Show Spoiler +
We have not seen you playing competitively for a while now. Being a player of your calibre, why have you not join a team yet?

Realistically, all teams besides Na'Vi don't provide the skill level I am interested in. I'm not looking for some top eight placements]


KuroKy is so badass, thats it.

there were a lot of scandals after the F4F saying kuroky is a very hard personality to deal with in a team. Too much "star" in him, kinda like naniwa in a way. There were no confirm or deny on these rumors but it partly explain why he is still currently teamless.

i really want to see KuroKy in action , he was really really really really really good.

also i love badass players like naniwa/kuroky, they are best!

well sadly, dota is a team game... its not like you can just hold ursa jungle 30 mins and came out beyond godlike carry all the thing. 1 wrong decision from an individual could easily lead to a 5 men down fall. Not even counting most of the time kuroky play under carry or semi-carry role which make his decision making even more costly. We all know how good he is but look at how fail gosugamer team did in the international...

you dont need to worry about KuroKy's decision makings, he is one of the best in this scene.

Also HYPE

45 minutes for Darer vs NaVi!!!
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 16 2012 16:20 GMT
#4714
On March 17 2012 01:15 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 10:48 NB wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:39 dragonborn wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:18 NB wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:08 dragonborn wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2703-kuroky-push-strat-is-not-the-meta-game

+ Show Spoiler +
We have not seen you playing competitively for a while now. Being a player of your calibre, why have you not join a team yet?

Realistically, all teams besides Na'Vi don't provide the skill level I am interested in. I'm not looking for some top eight placements]


KuroKy is so badass, thats it.

there were a lot of scandals after the F4F saying kuroky is a very hard personality to deal with in a team. Too much "star" in him, kinda like naniwa in a way. There were no confirm or deny on these rumors but it partly explain why he is still currently teamless.

i really want to see KuroKy in action , he was really really really really really good.

also i love badass players like naniwa/kuroky, they are best!

well sadly, dota is a team game... its not like you can just hold ursa jungle 30 mins and came out beyond godlike carry all the thing. 1 wrong decision from an individual could easily lead to a 5 men down fall. Not even counting most of the time kuroky play under carry or semi-carry role which make his decision making even more costly. We all know how good he is but look at how fail gosugamer team did in the international...

you dont need to worry about KuroKy's decision makings, he is one of the best in this scene.

Also HYPE

45 minutes for Darer vs NaVi!!!


GoD is playing really well but Darer seems to be having problems with coordination and team fight execution. Both of which Na'Vi excel at. I honestly think its going to be a stomp. I hope im wrong though :DDDDD
High Risk Low Reward
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
March 16 2012 16:23 GMT
#4715
Is there any way to effectively practice juking? I wish there was a custom map that showed enemy POV when controlling your hero. That way you can determine where fog sweet spots are
Life's good :D
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 16:28:53
March 16 2012 16:27 GMT
#4716
On March 16 2012 22:29 red_ wrote:
To the people that follow DotA1 competition still: do you think the new additions to -cm will see much play(specifically interested in Rubick/Wisp)?

wisp is nerfed (or rather balanced...) in this state i think, though spirits is still quite good for damage and tether overcharge is still an incredibly good combo. if they can find a good build mix with DK or sylla consider him awesome (ursa/naix is still beastly as well) but i havent seen pro wisps play so its still a big maybe to me

rubick can be still good, but i havent played him since his nerf. fade bolt mana cost is quite significant now, but fear the spell steal . in some ways he may be too volatile a hero
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 16 2012 16:28 GMT
#4717
[image loading]

User was warned for this post
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
March 16 2012 16:29 GMT
#4718
Any particular reason Kuroky didn't mention XBOCT when talking fondly of Na'Vi in that interview
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 16 2012 16:34 GMT
#4719
On March 17 2012 01:29 Skullflower wrote:
Any particular reason Kuroky didn't mention XBOCT when talking fondly of Na'Vi in that interview

random user from joindota:

because only Puppey, LoH, Smile and Dendi are veterans, they've been shining on the competitive scene for like 5 or 6 yrs. XBOCT is newer to the scene, probably for only more than 2 yrs (still an excellent player though - someone once said XBOCT just kind of "suddenly pop in to the competitive scene and own everyone")
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 16 2012 16:40 GMT
#4720
On March 17 2012 01:15 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 10:48 NB wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:39 dragonborn wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:18 NB wrote:
On March 16 2012 10:08 dragonborn wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2703-kuroky-push-strat-is-not-the-meta-game

+ Show Spoiler +
We have not seen you playing competitively for a while now. Being a player of your calibre, why have you not join a team yet?

Realistically, all teams besides Na'Vi don't provide the skill level I am interested in. I'm not looking for some top eight placements]


KuroKy is so badass, thats it.

there were a lot of scandals after the F4F saying kuroky is a very hard personality to deal with in a team. Too much "star" in him, kinda like naniwa in a way. There were no confirm or deny on these rumors but it partly explain why he is still currently teamless.

i really want to see KuroKy in action , he was really really really really really good.

also i love badass players like naniwa/kuroky, they are best!

well sadly, dota is a team game... its not like you can just hold ursa jungle 30 mins and came out beyond godlike carry all the thing. 1 wrong decision from an individual could easily lead to a 5 men down fall. Not even counting most of the time kuroky play under carry or semi-carry role which make his decision making even more costly. We all know how good he is but look at how fail gosugamer team did in the international...

you dont need to worry about KuroKy's decision makings, he is one of the best in this scene.

Also HYPE

45 minutes for Darer vs NaVi!!!

who is casting it? if its itsgosu casters guy, im not that excited lolol
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
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