EPTOn February 16 2012 10:35 dragonblade369 wrote:
Any1 else crashes constatly?
Any1 else crashes constatly?
eu crashing atm, check the dev forums
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
eu crashing atm, check the dev forums | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:50 LAN-f34r wrote: I'm not defending exort invoker. I am suggesting that a wex invoker should get ONE point in exort for last hitting power in certain lanes, and different ways I can get it to work. It is not a DPS build, it does not try to meteor spam people. It simply gets a point in exort for last hitting power, then adapts to how that changes things (it makes both deafening blast and icewall viable in the early game). Agreed - something like invoker vs qop in lane, qop has such better damage that a decent one will just deny you into oblivion - I've seen a couple of pros do the same. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
On February 16 2012 19:08 PHILtheTANK wrote: Man I really love seeing come from behind wins..... but this Darkseer crap is just so stupid. When he first started to be played I thought it was really cool, but now its just retarded.... Get dominated all game? It's ok because you're Darkseer is basically an instant win if they can't finish the game in under 20 mins. That DD vs WE series in TPL was just so stupid. Granted they made some mistakes and still shouldn't have lost it, the fact that it was even possible to lose that game is mindboggling. ok so whats up with this DS crap? no srsly. i dont play against ds often...and they dont seem op to me. if he is so good i wanna learn him. i know his skills and items but i dont know what you think is so strong at him. i hate his ulti no one gos through the wall when i play him :D | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
Basically, he is approx balanced when he doesn't have ags, but with ags he not only gets 5 free extra hero hits essentially, but he also gains the tactical advantage of being able to see a t3 and take a rax for the cost of a 100 second cooldown spell, with no risk at all. Oh, I should mention this is coordinated (scrims ect) games. In pubs you don't have the communication to get a well executed wall to have its full effectiveness. At least, that is my experience | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
Now, if you want to be good with him. Just learn a jungle route, spend the time there to farm boots, aghs. Then teamfight teamfight teamfight. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
I agree they should not have lost, but their carry threw away a massive amount of gold buying back to feed, selling tp boots/treads then buying treads again - these mistakes would be game losing in any even sort of close scenario. edit : Also, there are some oddities about damage - I'm not positive but either ally or enemy deal 50% rather than 90% even with scepter. A bug that is making him really strong is his wall illusions holding auras (so vlads, AC, shiva's are all transferring over which is a pretty big deal) when in dota 1 they do not. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 16 2012 21:03 Nevuk wrote: There's more to it than that. Dark seer's Ult combo has a really long cooldown, and before aghs if you don't manage to get vacuum + wall off the ult is completely useless short of a team that charges into it over and over (which is a very basic mistake that WE made many times in that game.) If the wall misses, the team should just back off and ignore it. It's also not the easiest thing to land in the world. (Vacuum's CD is almost as long as the wall's duration). I agree they should not have lost, but their carry threw away a massive amount of gold buying back to feed, selling tp boots/treads then buying treads again - these mistakes would be game losing in any even sort of close scenario. edit : Also, there are some oddities about damage - I'm not positive but either ally or enemy deal 50% rather than 90% even with scepter. A bug that is making him really strong is his wall illusions holding auras (so vlads, AC, shiva's are all transferring over which is a pretty big deal) when in dota 1 they do not. The wall lasts 45 seconds and cooldown is 100 seconds. I don't see how that is a really long cooldown. That means there's only roughly a minute between walls that a team can actually push? The 45 seconds is also enough time to recover from a death or two. Vacuum cooldown is 16 seconds. Allies do 50% enemies do 90% I think you should check out the hero pages first? Unless all the info on http://www.playdota.com/heroes/dark-seer is wrong. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 16 2012 21:18 Numy wrote: The wall lasts 45 seconds and cooldown is 100 seconds. I don't see how that is a really long cooldown. That means there's only roughly a minute between walls that a team can actually push? The 45 seconds is also enough time to recover from a death or two. Vacuum cooldown is 16 seconds. Allies do 50% enemies do 90% I think you should check out the hero pages first? Unless all the info on http://www.playdota.com/heroes/dark-seer is wrong. You're right on the vacuum. It's just my experience that the vacuum CD is sufficiently long enough that competent players won't give you a second chance to vacuum them through the wall, and most teams can position themselves well enough that the wall won't hit more than two or three people even with Vacuum. I think once people adapt to playing against him again he'll fade out of popularity. The ally 50% is what I was referencing. I could've sworn the wall only lasted 30. Oh well. A missed wall IS the full 100 second cd until agh scepter, is what I was trying to refer to. It's a great turtling spell but it's not something a team can place their entire hopes on, similar to Engima/SK ults. People pick those heroes for reasons other than their ults, the ults are just bonuses. They're versatile laners (SK can trilane/solo and Enigma can jungle or solo) It's the same for Dark Seer - he's been successfully run 1v3 and is an incredibly fast farmer in the jungle. He's also trending because he counters Veno and other heros who only have slows rather than stuns (Lich), and lets you run away from those pesky melee heroes like NS and AM. The issue to me is more how easily walled in the choke is at rax/t3 ramps rather than the Ultimate itself. It's really easy to just put it there and bam for 1.5 creep waves the team is relatively safe from rax attempts unless they're facing a massive aoe lineup that just annihilates the illusions. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On February 07 2012 22:46 flamewheel wrote: Anti-Mage plus Furion. Never lose. Ever. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Kaddilicious/dota2-20120217-042338.png) | ||
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
Two major problems with that picture: First, Furion went 6/6/6 - that can only be bad news. Second, furion went Dagon/Aghanims, the ultimate KS build. He did not care about winning that game, just getting KDR. | ||
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:36 Slardar wrote: Seemed to have a bug or hacker in my last game, wherein I lost control of my hero and it was running around being played. I checke the forums, it could apparently be A) Hacker or B) Latency/ Shift key being stuck and queing multiple commands. Since I fully scanned my computer and found nothing, it looks like it was B.... but I'm still paranoid and don't really know what to do. This has happened before in Heroes of Newerth, where he dropped all my items and killed them, then I found the virus soonafter. Maybe you disconnected briefly and one of your teammates was using your hero. Sometimes it doesn't unshare control upon reconnect. What did the hero actually do though? | ||
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rabidch
United States20288 Posts
vlads pugna nuff said! | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
Furion alone should guarantee that you win any pub game. 20 second teleport around the map with a global ultimate. If you are losing you could just counter push and force them back...really there is no way to lose unless you get seriously outplayed. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
Even more funny because AM has a vlads too. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On February 17 2012 05:55 Pseudoku wrote: Maybe you disconnected briefly and one of your teammates was using your hero. Sometimes it doesn't unshare control upon reconnect. What did the hero actually do though? I was able to talk in chat, and speak with my team. My hero was just going off on its own, It went into the middle tower may have died. I disconnected really fast and logged off to virus scan, I have to watch the replay to confirm if it was a shift-latency bug or a hack. | ||
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