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Maand
Profile Joined April 2010
326 Posts
February 15 2012 22:20 GMT
#2421
http://blog.dota2.com/2012/02/you-are-our-valentine/

Lone Druid, Lycan and Shadow Demon designs, and they are to be released soon.

They. Look. Sick.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 15 2012 22:38 GMT
#2422
Zeus and Sylla looking similar seems really unlikely ingame, as zeus is so tiny.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
February 15 2012 23:17 GMT
#2423
On February 16 2012 06:37 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 06:05 Qbek wrote:
On February 16 2012 04:49 Imbajoe wrote:
On February 16 2012 04:10 NB wrote:
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=21881&p=122291&viewfull=1#post122291

sad news


lol, at this point I'm pretty sure Valve only gives out deadline dates for humor's sake.

LOL

Considering they post the link to valve time in the blog,, it's not completely unreal.


I think people are being rather silly. Any system you take offline , do things do then try bring it back online always has issues. It's really unusual for such a thing to be on time.


That is why companies tend to use terms like eta and such, because they know although they are shooting for servers to be up by X time, it often does not happen.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
February 15 2012 23:27 GMT
#2424
yum lycan cant wait to wreck pub havok!
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
February 15 2012 23:32 GMT
#2425
On February 16 2012 07:20 Maand wrote:
http://blog.dota2.com/2012/02/you-are-our-valentine/

Lone Druid, Lycan and Shadow Demon designs, and they are to be released soon.

They. Look. Sick.


I can't wait to play these heroes! Coming from HoN, I'm interested to see how they differ.

Lycan = Warbeast, but the other two? Should be fun.
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 23:39:32
February 15 2012 23:39 GMT
#2426
On February 16 2012 08:32 Rybka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 07:20 Maand wrote:
http://blog.dota2.com/2012/02/you-are-our-valentine/

Lone Druid, Lycan and Shadow Demon designs, and they are to be released soon.

They. Look. Sick.


I can't wait to play these heroes! Coming from HoN, I'm interested to see how they differ.

Lycan = Warbeast, but the other two? Should be fun.

Lone Druid = Wildsoul (with some minor buffs). Shadow Demon has no equivalent.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 15 2012 23:43 GMT
#2427
SEVER BACKED UP!!!!!!

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Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 23:52:49
February 15 2012 23:48 GMT
#2428
Doesnt have to be, you could do that since 20:00 CET

Edit: seems like its up indeed.
WriterXiao8~~
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
February 16 2012 00:06 GMT
#2429
Servers up! Yayyyyyyyy Just got home from work.
Beikern
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain20 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 00:29:43
February 16 2012 00:29 GMT
#2430
are severs up? what a pitty it's like 1:30 AM here. Sad panda is sad.
gosuMalicE
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada676 Posts
February 16 2012 00:34 GMT
#2431
new heros up too? cant check atm
I play Protoss, because lets face it, who doesn't love hyper-advanced Egyptian ninja-aliens that kill people with lightsabres attached to both arms?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 16 2012 00:38 GMT
#2432
On February 16 2012 09:34 gosuMalicE wrote:
new heros up too? cant check atm

nope.. still the same =-=
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
February 16 2012 01:04 GMT
#2433
On February 16 2012 01:24 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 00:37 LAN-f34r wrote:
On February 15 2012 19:53 Hoban wrote:
On February 15 2012 19:47 cilinder007 wrote:
On February 15 2012 14:27 Hoban wrote:
On February 15 2012 13:32 NB wrote:
On February 15 2012 13:20 evantrees wrote:
I have occasinally bought an orb of venom by accident the sell for full price period helps with that a little.

But I'll live with that chance for an easy to use shop.
Can always keep f1 set to hero then ctrl group 1 to hero as well. might help?

i use all number key actually... and F key as well... Blame on my god-like sc2 skill xD Btw what is the full price period? also is there ways to sell items faster than right click sell?

Anyway, back on Windrunner being imbalance: watch this http://www.joindota.com/en/vods/765-dignitas-vs-ariana-the-defense-quarter-final-lb-game-3. Basicly by planning a support hero in mid, they simply deny the farming power of invoker plus his mid game ganking power. You could see Invoker sit on phase + wand + gaunet of strength at 10 mins mark which is nothing. His mana pool is limited to use 3 spells at lv 7 and windrunner is sitting strong with one of the highest CS in game stepping into mid-game. I know that she isnt PERFECT OP such as who ever have wr gona win the game but compare with most heroes in the current pool, she obviously slightly above top tier and touching the line of over power. Unlike Darkseer which most pro team are QQ-ing about, WR could be run in any formation, any strat from push to babysit to mid-game aggressive play. You might debate well invoker is like that but invoker has a much higher skill curve which make sense unlike just spam Q and hope for a lucky shackle ~_~...

Icefrog, nerf her PLEASE T__T

Invoker should be able to LH better than windrunner as soon as he gets some levels (5+ I imagine)


I highly dissagree with this, wr has a ton higher base dmg than invoker so she should be able to get to phase boots earlier than invoker and after than invoker shouldnt be able to get a single lasthit against her, he has great regen if he goes gor quas but that doesnt help much in lasthiting and its not like he can actauly kill wr


I see your point there now. I had to go back and look at their base stats but you are correct. I guess if invoker leveld E after a point in Q/R/W it might bode better but that is ~lvl 5. I don't know many invokers that prioritize E, or who sacrifice W for an extra point in E to get the last hit advantage. I still don't think she is OP though. Yea, she is strong at all stages in the game but she doesn't get a 4.2k item and suddenly multiply the dps of your team by 190%. Oh Dark Seer.


Something I'm trying out at the moment is getting E at level 1. With the intel gain and all 3 orbs as E, you get 11 extra damage for last hitting. It also allows you access to a few spells which are useful, such as ice wall and deafening blast (well, only ice wall and deafening blast ). My skill order is normally EQRWQQR then max W. I can switch it around a little (delaying W if I'm not worried about ganks, if cold snap is going to be extremely useful, or if I need the extra regen, and getting level 2 invoke if sunstrike can get FB or an assist).

In lane I just spam cold snap if they ever try to harass me, then do as much damage as possible with it. With level 2 invoke I either get ice wall or tornado, and when I get about 3 levels in W i start tornado EMP spam.

What you lose: Either delaying level 3 invoke or a couple of levels in W(3rd level in Q can be dropped, but I think it helps a lot), sometimes early ghost walk, and generally your early game spells are completely different (coldsnap icewall are the staples pre-9), as well as some of your mobility.

What you gain: early last hitting power (E), early sustain (Q), and imo much more powerful laning spells than what wex makes available.

1 level on W give you like 0 range on tornado which is needed for you to gank people. remember invoker ganking period is already way slower than other mid solo which mostly are lv 6 like Beast master... Pushing it to level 8 to get a 2nd W is also really late which result you being 1-2 kills by the time u start leaving mid.

The main problem i have with people getting E early on is that it is so useless... if you get Q at lv1 and ulti at level 2, you could start trading life with the enemy hero in lane using cold snap knowing that you HP regen will simply be far superior by 3 points in Q and soon dominate the lane.

I have, however, seen Invoker DPS style on side lane where he just go max QE with 1 point W(for ghost walk) and pure DPS with lavar summons support. This however is viable with Icewall spam to stop pushes and points in E will give you a large amount of mana. It like you are playing sniper: desolator, shadow blade and slow... plus mini stun from cold snap and Sunstrike to snipe people =)).... Pretty funny actually xD


With a high level cold snap, as well as icewall, you do not need tornado to gank. Depending on the lane, cold snap can proc nearly every time it can, which is far more powerful. imo, your wex abilities are just not that powerful until the midgame anyway, but one point in E can get you so much more last hitting power, and the early points in quas give you an all-round better early game, which should put you ahead for the midgame, where your spells are a little bit weaker because you didn't max them out.

The point of this build is to win your lane, which should make your items earlier, your level higher, as well as give access to a more powerful cold snap. It is not always the best build. It should not be used if you win the lane against your opponent anyway, or if you need to gank early. However, the last hitting power can sometimes win you that lane that would have been lost (11 damage is A LOT for level 1).

The early points in Q make up for any harass you might take in lane (Currently my starting items contains only tangos for regen, and I often do not need any of them). Any point that they try to harass you post level 3, they lose half their hp 'cause cold snap is so good early game.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
February 16 2012 01:13 GMT
#2434
stop trying to defend exort invoker
the point of wex is moving fast (hella fasT)
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 16 2012 01:25 GMT
#2435
On February 16 2012 10:13 tube wrote:
stop trying to defend exort invoker
the point of wex is moving fast (hella fasT)

Exort Invoker is FUN though.

Even if it's not "good", it's just priceless to see how people react when you kill your lane opponent in 5 hits with Alacrity on.
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dafnay
Profile Joined May 2010
Angola375 Posts
February 16 2012 01:29 GMT
#2436
Hey ive a small question : i just got a beta key and Im terrible right now ( still do not worry i dont feed ^^) and i want to know if afetr the beta our stats ( looses , wins , disconnects ) are being reset?
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
February 16 2012 01:34 GMT
#2437
On February 16 2012 10:29 dafnay wrote:
Hey ive a small question : i just got a beta key and Im terrible right now ( still do not worry i dont feed ^^) and i want to know if afetr the beta our stats ( looses , wins , disconnects ) are being reset?


Most definitely! So don't worry if you are absolutely terrible/feed every game and get flamed. Everyone starts there. Just keep at it. It helped me quite a bit to practice my mechanics (last hitting/denying/ map awareness/ micro ability) in bot games. Bot's play nothing like humans but they are great to practice last-hitting and denying against.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
dragonblade369
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada464 Posts
February 16 2012 01:35 GMT
#2438
Any1 else crashes constatly?
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
February 16 2012 01:50 GMT
#2439
On February 16 2012 10:13 tube wrote:
stop trying to defend exort invoker
the point of wex is moving fast (hella fasT)


I'm not defending exort invoker. I am suggesting that a wex invoker should get ONE point in exort for last hitting power in certain lanes, and different ways I can get it to work. It is not a DPS build, it does not try to meteor spam people. It simply gets a point in exort for last hitting power, then adapts to how that changes things (it makes both deafening blast and icewall viable in the early game).
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
February 16 2012 01:51 GMT
#2440
On February 16 2012 10:29 dafnay wrote:
Hey ive a small question : i just got a beta key and Im terrible right now ( still do not worry i dont feed ^^) and i want to know if afetr the beta our stats ( looses , wins , disconnects ) are being reset?


They will probably be reset since we are not getting xp. Would be odd to keep the stats even leveling is not even working. But just keep playing. You will start winning at some point and your stats will eventually even out. I also recommend watching some live stream matches (like the top live stream ones), it helped my morphling quite a bit.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
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