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On February 11 2012 06:34 Zlasher wrote:
Rushing butterfly or heart is 99% of the time absolutely terrible. Radiance can work if your hero is one thats core item is Radiance like a Spectre, but why would you need to quickbuy it? Radiance is just relic and recipe. I think the quickbuy is pretty useless to be honest, I set up which item I want in the shop anyways so quickbuy is just one click faster which in the grand scheme changes nothing. This includes going into rosh pit to buy a secret shop item lol.
calm down u defensive nerd... u didnt read my post correctly.
its just an example and what i mean is to have cheap items ready in the quickbuy slot so you could burn ur money before you die. Its an alternative for rushing to expensive items such as butterfly or rad.
Quick buy overall is a great idea bc you could buy stuff without actually stopping and open the shop menu and use mouse to shop. Its like macroing in BW where you use hotkey instead of mouse click. Much faster and more efficient. It also gives you smthing to do in the down time where you go back to heal or on the way to fountain to lane.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
While I think aL's picks were VERY questionable, how can you draft against Na'Vi? You have to either give out Puppey Chen, LightOfHeaven prophet/brood, Dendi invoker, or XBOCT antimage. Or you let them have their veno/venge mid shenanigans, to which apparently no one has found a different answer other than banning yet. It's sort of a "pick your poison" situation, as all of these heroes in the hands of Na'Vi will have a huge effect on the game.
I don't think that VS pick was THAT bad of a pick, tho. They tried to use her like Na'Vi, giving her the lane farm, so you cant really look at her as a support. But then again, I totally don't understand why she rushed agha instead of the aggressive wraithband, forcestaff, manta that XBOCT builds.....
I loved the engagement before creep spawn in the beginning of the second game. It was a weakness that Mealk pointed out in one of the previous aL games, that they will 100% of the time go all 5 heroes to the enemy jungle, even if they have a bad lvl 1 heroes. Seems like Na'Vi noticed it too and took full advantage of it with Sven and THD, both very strong at level one.
Edit: Also, what do you guys think about Na'Vi first-banning Lich every time?? I'm really confused by this.... No other teams are really picking it, and I don;t really see why Na'Vi would mind playing against lich so much.... They usually like to push and gank a lot early game, and against that lich doesn;t do much. Any thoughts?
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What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast!
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Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles.
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Hand of Midas is the last item I would get if I'm already behind.
I usually only buy it if I can farm it in 5 minutes or less.
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On February 11 2012 09:27 BliptiX wrote:
Hand of Midas is the last item I would get if I'm already behind.
I usually only buy it if I can farm it in 5 minutes or less.
Well i still got it in like 6 mins but we lost our lane in that same time basically to a tri lane
Also wow I just watched Game 1 of Na'vi vs AL.... wasn't even enjoyable to watch that haha.
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Its mindblowing how good Na'Vi is...
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On February 11 2012 10:37 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Its mindblowing how good Na'Vi is...
U;ve watched the AL vs Navi game didnt ya? hahaha.... tht was rape
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I want a customizable buy menu
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On February 11 2012 12:18 KezseN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 10:37 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Its mindblowing how good Na'Vi is... U;ve watched the AL vs Navi game didnt ya? hahaha.... tht was rape
Its funny because aL are completely dominant whenever they play teams other than Na'Vi. However when Na'Vi runs a their complete roster they absolutely crushed the life out of aL. I will say though that aL's second draft was bad compared to Na'Vi's and the first game was aL playing a semi farm oriented lineup with spectre against Na'Vi's push line up. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. In this push meta you rarely see close games, usually its one team completely stomping the other.
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On February 11 2012 14:57 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 12:18 KezseN wrote:On February 11 2012 10:37 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Its mindblowing how good Na'Vi is... U;ve watched the AL vs Navi game didnt ya? hahaha.... tht was rape Its funny because aL are completely dominant whenever they play teams other than Na'Vi. However when Na'Vi runs a their complete roster they absolutely crushed the life out of aL. I will say though that aL's second draft was bad compared to Na'Vi's and the first game was aL playing a semi farm oriented lineup with spectre against Na'Vi's push line up. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. In this push meta you rarely see close games, usually its one team completely stomping the other.
i only watched game 1, did u guys watch game 2 somewhere? cant find it on youtube/joindota or the joindota vods
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On February 11 2012 16:12 KezseN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 14:57 Spicy_Curry wrote:On February 11 2012 12:18 KezseN wrote:On February 11 2012 10:37 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Its mindblowing how good Na'Vi is... U;ve watched the AL vs Navi game didnt ya? hahaha.... tht was rape Its funny because aL are completely dominant whenever they play teams other than Na'Vi. However when Na'Vi runs a their complete roster they absolutely crushed the life out of aL. I will say though that aL's second draft was bad compared to Na'Vi's and the first game was aL playing a semi farm oriented lineup with spectre against Na'Vi's push line up. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. In this push meta you rarely see close games, usually its one team completely stomping the other. i only watched game 1, did u guys watch game 2 somewhere? cant find it on youtube/joindota or the joindota vods
I would also like to know the same thing!
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On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles.
you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item.
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On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item.
Well its a pub game,, if it was captain mode or sth im sure there were other heroes to play with
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On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item.
you picked riki, clinkz, bh, brood, or sand king, i lold... dust negatess ur entire hero.
Lothars works just fine for me thank you for your concerns.
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On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item.
how does dust negate the bonus ms and the extra dps lothars gives ?
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On February 11 2012 20:39 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item. how does dust negate the bonus ms and the extra dps lothars gives ?
dust negates invis... how are you going to use that ms while getting perma stuned on a gank?
get bkb, it gives hp and no spell damage or stun
plus the dps that lothar gives is mediocre.
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On February 11 2012 19:49 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item. you picked riki, clinkz, bh, brood, or sand king, i lold... dust negatess ur entire hero. Lothars works just fine for me thank you for your concerns.
clinkz and bh are bad picks... why? because you get dust and they are easy target... brood is different and so is sand king
dust negates sa, bh and clinkz... thats why its not picked by pros... sand king is different and so is brood,
brood pushes tower, even if their team commits to killing you with a dust ur team can be pushing another lane at the same time, thats the power of brood... being able to apply pressure on 2 lanes and forcing the other team to commit to 1 lane only because they wont stop brood with 1 hero or 2, it will take 3--5 while the rest of brood`s team pushes another lane.
sand king`s sand storm is not used very often, you take sand king for his stun and ulti not for sand storm...
IM INVISBLE
IM INVINCIBLE
and sa is just used wrong by everyone out there, sa is suppose to initiate with blink strike and cloud, if you use him as a non initiator then hes a horrible pick because of dust. 99% of people play him wrong, so people like me have to pick a support and carry them to victory
i dont really expect you to understand so keep up the good werk
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United States1644 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:05 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 19:49 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item. you picked riki, clinkz, bh, brood, or sand king, i lold... dust negatess ur entire hero. Lothars works just fine for me thank you for your concerns. clinkz and bh are bad picks... why? because you get dust and they are easy target... brood is different and so is sand king dust negates sa, bh and clinkz... thats why its not picked by pros... sand king is different and so is brood, brood pushes tower, even if their team commits to killing you with a dust ur team can be pushing another lane at the same time, thats the power of brood... being able to apply pressure on 2 lanes and forcing the other team to commit to 1 lane only because they wont stop brood with 1 hero or 2, it will take 3--5 while the rest of brood`s team pushes another lane. sand king`s sand storm is not used very often, you take sand king for his stun and ulti not for sand storm... IM INVISBLE IM INVINCIBLE and sa is just used wrong by everyone out there, sa is suppose to initiate with blink strike and cloud, if you use him as a non initiator then hes a horrible pick because of dust. 99% of people play him wrong, so people like me have to pick a support and carry them to victory i dont really expect you to understand so keep up the good werk
Oh man...bounty hunter is such a bad pick. Nobody pick him ever please, so I can.
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I'm a bit late to the aL vs NaVi discussion, but I must say it was a treat to watch Musica play Tinker. I watched a replay of him using it in a pub, to warm or something, back in Dota 1 a few years ago and it got me really interested in the hero.
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On February 11 2012 21:05 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 19:49 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 11 2012 19:10 Font wrote:On February 11 2012 09:20 PHILtheTANK wrote:What do you do as Drow Ranger when you lose your lane pretty bad? Get Hand of Midas and farm like a beast! Was nice to play with a windrunner who actually knew what he was doing and could land shackles. you went shadow blade and won, i lold... dust negates ur 4k item. you picked riki, clinkz, bh, brood, or sand king, i lold... dust negatess ur entire hero. Lothars works just fine for me thank you for your concerns. clinkz and bh are bad picks... why? because you get dust and they are easy target... brood is different and so is sand king dust negates sa, bh and clinkz... thats why its not picked by pros... sand king is different and so is brood, brood pushes tower, even if their team commits to killing you with a dust ur team can be pushing another lane at the same time, thats the power of brood... being able to apply pressure on 2 lanes and forcing the other team to commit to 1 lane only because they wont stop brood with 1 hero or 2, it will take 3--5 while the rest of brood`s team pushes another lane. sand king`s sand storm is not used very often, you take sand king for his stun and ulti not for sand storm... IM INVISBLE IM INVINCIBLE and sa is just used wrong by everyone out there, sa is suppose to initiate with blink strike and cloud, if you use him as a non initiator then hes a horrible pick because of dust. 99% of people play him wrong, so people like me have to pick a support and carry them to victory i dont really expect you to understand so keep up the good werk
what we have here is a classic case of average dota player who had suffer loses from bad players picking carry in pub and lose the game LOLOLOL
ya, same logic apply to im lion, the other side got orchid, im so dead... I could tell you right now if you watch pro streams, they pick carries like BH or clinkz all the time. Why? BC ITS PUB GAME FFS. If you are good enough you could find holes to farm up and carry your whole team. Its not about the heroes but about how you use it and how your team is build around what you choose.
"SK sand storm is not used very often".... wow
also check ur spelling brah
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