General Discussion - Page 109

On February 11 2012 21:05 Font wrote:


clinkz and bh are bad picks... why? because you get dust and they are easy target... brood is different and so is sand king

dust negates sa, bh and clinkz... thats why its not picked by pros... sand king is different and so is brood,

brood pushes tower, even if their team commits to killing you with a dust ur team can be pushing another lane at the same time, thats the power of brood... being able to apply pressure on 2 lanes and forcing the other team to commit to 1 lane only because they wont stop brood with 1 hero or 2, it will take 3--5 while the rest of brood`s team pushes another lane.

sand king`s sand storm is not used very often, you take sand king for his stun and ulti not for sand storm...

IM INVISBLE

IM INVINCIBLE

and sa is just used wrong by everyone out there, sa is suppose to initiate with blink strike and cloud, if you use him as a non initiator then hes a horrible pick because of dust. 99% of people play him wrong, so people like me have to pick a support and carry them to victory

i dont really expect you to understand so keep up the good werk

On February 11 2012 21:29 NB wrote:

what we have here is a classic case of average dota player who had suffer loses from bad players picking carry in pub and lose the game LOLOLOL

ya, same logic apply to im lion, the other side got orchid, im so dead... I could tell you right now if you watch pro streams, they pick carries like BH or clinkz all the time. Why? BC ITS PUB GAME FFS. If you are good enough you could find holes to farm up and carry your whole team. Its not about the heroes but about how you use it and how your team is build around what you choose.

"SK sand storm is not used very often".... wow

also check ur spelling brah

On February 11 2012 23:14 cilinder007 wrote:


ye maybe you should watch some pro games before you make statments like that ?

sa and bh see quite enough play at pro level

and saying sandstorm is not used often, just stop trying to troll man

On February 11 2012 23:29 Font wrote:


except when you are lion, you are not a carry, you get negated by something that cost over 5k gold... on the other hand a dust cost 200 gold and will negate the carry.

do you realise how wrong and flawed ur logic is to think it would apply to a support same as it would for carry?

classic average dota player... turns out I have played more times with the pros then you have tuned in to their stream

yes they pick bh and clinkz agaisnt pubs, still they are bad picks, doesnt matter if eg.demon pulls a clinkz game... you will not see it happening a real match

sand storm isnt used often, you use it for brood mother or to go invis in teamfights or to bait a dust so that they initiate on u and then ur team jumps them.

You have no idea how to really play this game and its probably due to the fact that you have played 100 games and I have played over 5000(dota 1)

plus, the only reason you see bh and clinkz being picked in pubs is that the dota 2 game lacks lots of heros.

classic average dota player, i lold, talk to me when you dont compare a 5k item that counters a support to a 200 item that counters the CARRY.

On February 11 2012 23:44 Numy wrote:
BH is used mainly for his track. That's really good and isn't really relying on his damage output. He gets picked in pro games every now and then. In fact a last month or month before we were seeing him a lot in dota 2. The hero doesn't really revolve around being invis, that is just an added benefit. The track is what's key.

On February 11 2012 23:53 Hoban wrote:
Font, no disrespect but you seriously need to re-read the TL 10 Commandments. This forum is like no other place that I know of on the internet. We try to treat each other with respect even if we have differing opinions. You are obviously new here which is totally ok, it takes a little while to get a feel how this forum works. I highly suggest you just chill and tone down the aggression. Everyone is here because they love talking about dota and enjoy playing it. Just be civil and mannered and you will find it much more enjoyable here!

On February 12 2012 00:04 Hoban wrote:
Could someone answer me this: Does Manta remove dust reveal? In my highly inexperienced eyes, BH seems semi-viable in that if he can stay alive in a team fight, giving the team free money is a pretty big deal. Not only free money but -armor and +20% MS. Also pretty big deals. Often when I am watching a high level game, people are actively abusing line-of-sight to keep themselves untargeted. Having a track right off the bat on their ranged carry who is trying to juke in and out of trees is a pretty solid thing in my book. I don't pretend that I am decent at the game though, it just seems that there are a number of good perks to BH besides "OMG he has stealth!!"

Now PA I can see being non-viable. Extremely squishy for a carry and dust/coordination do stomp him into the ground. Same thing with Clinkz. The only time a clinkz or a riki has ever been an issue is when I am solo queued. Have some teammates who communicate and he is much less frightening.

On February 12 2012 00:23 Font wrote:


the only thing that is wrong with what you are saying is that you need to be in range to get the track off, most good teams or good players in general will see you come up for a track and will jump you

yes dust is removed by bkb and manta

PA is a decent carry if you can protect him and give him the early game farm that he needs in order to make an impact in the game.

clinder, you never argued, all you did is say the pros do it and that i am a flaming nerd and a troll, dont kid yourself, you provided nothing meaningful to the argument.

the problem with most of the dota players is that they think they know something and will never adapt if somebody proves them wrong, on the other hand i keep an open mind and if you prove me wrong I will change and adapt to ur way.

On February 11 2012 23:48 Font wrote:


thx for posting something civilised but thats not true, the track is not key, it is useful that is true and the reason why it was picked all the time is because he was new in dota 2, i can assure you gondar stoped being 3 years ago in dota 1

and yes he is picked now and again, thats not my point

On February 12 2012 00:46 Hoban wrote:
I mean't tracking in a teamfight situation where shit has already hit the fan. Obviously if I see that BH poke his head out for one second out of position I am going to murder him. Once the big initiations have already happened though it seems useful to have uninterrupted vision of the VIP's on the enemy team.

Tbh PA feels too squishy to be a viable carry. Looking at popular carries such as Antimage, Faceless Void, Spectre, Broodmother (at least these are the ones I see picked in pro games if they choose to go for a hard carry) they all have an outrageous ability to amplify their own damage and reduce damage they take by a large margin (or mitigate it somehow). Riki's stealth is his 'survivability' and I see no reason to pick him over the other carries that I mentioned in an organized game. 2 damage for 1 agi is a sweet steroid ability, but I disagree with your notion that Riki is an engager with blinkstrike+cloud. His cloud only gives miss chance to the people in it. Chances are, one of the supports is carrying a force staff and the moment you initiate with riki, one of you is getting kicked out of the cloud. You jump a support, the ranged eat you for breakfast. Best case scenario is you jump their carry the moment the rest of your team initiates with stuns while you BKB. Even then, I cannot see Riki ever initiating. Too fragile and can only disable 1 maybe 2 if they are clumped. And then it is easy to counter that with a force staff.