EPTThe post-TI3 Roster Shuffle thread - Page 103
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On August 25 2013 20:19 Numy wrote: Oh god LanM 820 and X!! on one team. My body is ready. Dai going to show the whole world how to play fucking lion in dota 2 (though unlikely with so many better mid laners). O well I am ready for the best storm showing. BRACE YOURSELF! | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
I don't think it matters if 820 is back, all these legends have dropped in skill and DotA2 while fundamentally the same as DotA1 is still a different game. | ||
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renfree
4485 Posts
On August 25 2013 20:51 Andr3 wrote: Kinda like ZSMJ showed his farming skill and pro medusa plays? Or how PIS showed us the big plays last time he played ~ I don't think it matters if 820 is back, all these legends have dropped in skill and DotA2 while fundamentally the same as DotA1 is still a different game. Doesn't really matter, the most famous thing about 820 were always his drafts and strategies, not that he played outstandingly. His return is the best thing China can have after TI3 fiasco. | ||
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
On August 25 2013 16:58 pdd wrote: Aui leaving the scene for a year is kinda sad, but perfectly understandable. You say that like he already decided to leave. On August 25 2013 12:35 Nocticate wrote: Seems like Mouz is pretty much gone as a team. Only player besides Synderen I haven't heard rumors about really is paS. He's a fairly good support so I dunno why no one is looking at him. looks like Mouz might just be Black+4 again. There are 2 things Black said numerous times in interviews this year: First he wants to go to China and will if given the opportunity and second he prefers playing Mid. LGD said they want to continue their int project. Pajkatt is the only one left right now. If they find 3 more players and make the team happen again I'm pretty sure we'll see Black on LGDint. For mouz as an organisation they could pick up uebelst but I doubt that'll happen. They'll probably just leave the dota scene for a bit again and come back when some big names need a sponsor or something like that. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On August 25 2013 12:35 Nocticate wrote: Seems like Mouz is pretty much gone as a team. Only player besides Synderen I haven't heard rumors about really is paS. He's a fairly good support so I dunno why no one is looking at him. looks like Mouz might just be Black+4 again. paS will go inactive and continue his studies i heared it from a very good source which is really sad cause the last 2 months pas was their best player | ||
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tada.hts
1968 Posts
 supports these days require reaction a lot | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 25 2013 20:51 Andr3 wrote: Kinda like ZSMJ showed his farming skill and pro medusa plays? Or how PIS showed us the big plays last time he played ~ I don't think it matters if 820 is back, all these legends have dropped in skill and DotA2 while fundamentally the same as DotA1 is still a different game. 820 was probably the only support player back in the day that could play VS with any consistency and actually make it work. This isn't like it requires massive skill either, it's just positional awareness/game flow understanding, and neither of those really disappear. 820's best traits were his abilities to just be in the right place in the right time, and his strategies/drafts. Totally different from mechanical skill which does drop off quite abit if you don't play for awhile. And ZSMJ is doing fine on his team. Plays solid, nothing spectacular, but well enough to anchor his team when given the opportunity to do so. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
And a lot of time has passed since 820 last played dota, if you'd check some of his pub games you'd know. While it's nice for some of these stars to return I don't think their individual performance is what we should be excited for. Perhaps 820 can change the current flow of games, we'll have to see. The point is China needs new blood, not old veterans coming to "save" the scene ,;, | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On August 25 2013 21:05 treeqt wrote: You say that like he already decided to leave. Well I meant if he decides to. | ||
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renfree
4485 Posts
On August 26 2013 00:34 Andr3 wrote: ZSMJ as a carry underperformed. Since his switch he's been playing really well. And a lot of time has passed since 820 last played dota, if you'd check some of his pub games you'd know. While it's nice for some of these stars to return I don't think their individual performance is what we should be excited for. Perhaps 820 can change the current flow of games, we'll have to see. The point is China needs new blood, not old veterans coming to "save" the scene ,;, You are right ofc, but right now it is difficult to find a new blood without possibility for newcomers to play Dota2 itself. We will have to wait for open beta or at least easier access to betakeys in China. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
On August 25 2013 15:52 motbob wrote: I don't understand what in my posts you are replying to. I never asked why Valve would want to run a TI4, nor did I argue that they shouldn't. Nevertheless, since we're on the subject, let me just point out that there is no way that Valve didn't lose millions on TI3, unless you count Compendium purchases, in which case they probably only lost a little bit. Let's think about the expenses: - Rent a big concert hall for a week, hire some outside staff to act as ushers for that week. - Hire a huge production crew and rent equipment for one week. - Fly a bunch of people to Seattle, often from countries from which plane tickets are very expensive. - Host a bunch of people in a downtown Seattle hotel for a week. - Build a stage (not from scratch, admittedly) - Put a bunch of Valve employees to work organizing/running the event and not building value for the company (opportunity cost). - Prize pool - Misc expenses (food for players / advertising for the event itself) And the revenues: - Secret shop sales (which come to think of it would be considerable) So, yes, it cost millions to run. Unless you have some source that says otherwise? EDIT: Let me reiterate: If you read my posts carefully you will see that I am not arguing that it is unlikely that Valve will host TI4. Nor am I arguing that it is not in their best interest to do so. Saw on a Demon stream he said that the new EG lineup was American, so not sure if that means NA or just America but all but confirms Bamboe gone. That being said, I came across this post and sorry I couldn't help but respond, just the tone of the way you're speaking makes your post too ignorant not to respond. Maybe you should be educated in the field before speaking, especially so harshly. I myself am an economics graduate so let me just break down why you have no idea what you are talking about. Let's start off with you're "thesis" there is no way that Valve didn't lose millions on TI3 Wrong, that alone right there is you're biggest mistake, you fail to see anything in the long term. Here is just some simple math. We will use rounded numbers and just keep everything very simple, even downplay the actual numbers. If 25% of the compendium money went to the prize pool, and we raised it $1,000,000 it means that $4,000,000 was spent, $3,000,000 of which was profit. Dota gained over 1,000,000 unique new players, in the time that it takes to get to TI4, let's say each person buys an average of 1 key, which is what, $2.49? Yeah, people will buy more people will buy less, but in 365 days its a fair assumption to say that these unique players will buy 1,000,000 keys worth. There you have another $2,499,000. 1 Million more steam downloads, increases the chance for even more $ to be made off other shops and games which sell for a lot more than $2.49 Since you mentioned the secret shop, let's look at that too, we'll say an average shirt is $20, take away $7 for expenses of making etc. $13 profit, say they sell around 5000, that's $65,000 in profit. Throw in everything else, plushies etc etc, we'll make it $80,000 Don't even forget about the streams, we'll say an average of 250,000 people watching on stream, if they make 5 cents per viewer, per hour, $12 500 per hour, take in an average 8 hours day stream, $100,000 a day, we'll say 10 days for everything start to finish, $1,000,000 right there, and this is just using minimal numbers. You also argue that it is there best interest not to run another one, well let's look at it this way, most teams get together and do what they do for the international, that's why after every international there is a huge roster shuffle in order to get the best combination to have a chance at winning, you get rid of that, and you lose the main motivation of most players. Overall, you lack knowledge on the subject, so I would refrain from having such a harsh tone on a normal TL user who was just stating his opinion, but since you went indepth and in my honest opinion tried to bring him down or insult his opinion, I just gave you some facts. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you really don't. And to any mod, sorry if this is a little derail, but did post some info!  | ||
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
It's more likely that they PAID the streaming services. On August 26 2013 02:51 NbSky wrote: Let's start off with you're "thesis" there is no way that Valve didn't lose millions on TI3 Also, your. | ||
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renfree
4485 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 25 2013 19:21 TheEmulator wrote: Hi guys, try not to derail the thread too much. Discuss roster shuffling only Indeed. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
Zenith vs DK can now happen. http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/25188-burning-all-alone-in-dk-as-dai-and-qqq-get-the-boot | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
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URLateral
275 Posts
On August 26 2013 06:05 tpmraven wrote: so, bulba / TC / qoj / Way2 Playing to together on the front page right now. fluff would be playing with them to than | ||
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edgemega
United States239 Posts
They had mason with them for a bit fluffs probably too busy with his gf | ||
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