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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On September 06 2013 17:33 sandyph wrote: FY and CTY wasn't in The International 3 1v1 solo mid championship final. I still hold grudges against that stupid candidate list from valve..... | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:14 teapoted wrote: Well to be fair I only liked the team Goblak was on when he was with 'the good' Empire. And Empire was hardly a hipster team to support =P Goddamn I liked that empire so much until navi took funnik away T_T | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:36 Cel.erity wrote: Team chemistry, listening to calls, having good coordination, having good positioning, executing teamfights are all much more important skills than how well you can 1v1 in your lane, and those are the things that might be called into question with this roster. Winning a solo mid championship is not a huge endorsement of a player's contribution to a team, that's all I'm saying. I think you're missing my point. Coordination, positioning and team fight are all the basics of forming a good team, let alone a top tier professional one. Basically when we discuss teams on this level, it's almost a given that they have to be good at those aspects to even consider competing with others. So I'm not arguing based on a newly formed DK where each guy does his own thing, but the one where they have enough practice to even be considered a team, not just a group of players. Unless mad egos kick in, I don't see why it should take them more than a couple of months to reach that level of understanding. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:36 Cel.erity wrote: Team chemistry, listening to calls, having good coordination, having good positioning, executing teamfights are all much more important skills than how well you can 1v1 in your lane, and those are the things that might be called into question with this roster. Winning a solo mid championship is not a huge endorsement of a player's contribution to a team, that's all I'm saying. It does make it easier to improve tho since the players are apparently very strong mechanically. The rest is up to the team to improve on together. But i agree that just having the 5 best players mechanically doesnt make a team the best team in the world(not saying that these 5 are) | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 07 2013 03:17 nayumi wrote: I think you're missing my point. Coordination, positioning and team fight are all the basics of forming a good team, let alone a top tier professional one. Basically when we discuss teams on this level, it's almost a given that they have to be good at those aspects to even consider competing with others. So I'm not arguing based on a newly formed DK where each guy does his own thing, but the one where they have enough practice to even be considered a team, not just a group of players. Unless mad egos kick in, I don't see why it should take them more than a couple of months to reach that level of understanding. It's really the exact opposite. All of these guys are crazy good at DotA, they all have extremely high individual skill. The thing that separates winning teams from losing ones is strategy and team synergy. Sure, one team's mid might be the best in the world, but the other team's mid is also capable of making plays and winning the lane. It's a nice bonus to be good at laning but it's simply less than 5% of the overall game. Coordination and positioning are the basics of forming a good team?? Those are the two things, along with overall strategy, that decide almost every high-level game. They are hardly basic. Most teams never get completely comfortable with each other, which is why you see so many team shifts in DotA. I know that Mushi is super versatile and humble and will fit into any team, but iceiceice is neither of those things, so I don't see it working out. Hopefully I will be proven wrong though. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
Was that all just hype? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On September 07 2013 03:38 HardlyNever wrote: Obviously I've missed something in the past few weeks, but wasn't burning supposed to be retiring after TI3? Was that all just hype? Never trust a Dota player saying he will retire. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 07 2013 03:38 HardlyNever wrote: Obviously I've missed something in the past few weeks, but wasn't burning supposed to be retiring after TI3? Was that all just hype? I think he was a bit burned out (no pun intended) practicing for TI3 when he said that, but then the tournament hit him unexpectedly hard. He was clearly so motivated to win, and disappointed when the Chinese teams fell short. That feeling probably reaffirmed his dedication to the game. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
Burning : AM Mushi:QoP Icex3: Invoker Lamn: SK Dai:Lion | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 07 2013 03:43 Cel.erity wrote: I think he was a bit burned out (no pun intended) practicing for TI3 when he said that, but then the tournament hit him unexpectedly hard. He was clearly so motivated to win, and disappointed when the Chinese teams fell short. That feeling probably reaffirmed his dedication to the game. I got the impression that burning was actually just sick and tired of hearing the question and was not surprised to hear that he was going in for another year. He went from "Yeah I'm going to retire" (TI2), "ugh maybe I'm going to retire" (a little g-league interview) to "stop fucking asking me about my retirement" (leading up to ti3). He stopped answering questions concerning his retirement all together. | ||
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Mouzone
3937 Posts
On September 07 2013 03:43 Cel.erity wrote: I think he was a bit burned out (no pun intended) practicing for TI3 when he said that, but then the tournament hit him unexpectedly hard. He was clearly so motivated to win, and disappointed when the Chinese teams fell short. That feeling probably reaffirmed his dedication to the game. What are you, a shrink? Nah, but that seems like a quite plausible explanation. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
I'm sure leaving on that note would have been Burning's (or anyone really) ideal end to his career. | ||
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renfree
4485 Posts
On September 07 2013 13:50 Kabras wrote: rOtk feeds out, icex3 feeds in. at least rotk had some really legit impressive plays lately. also y u kick Super and 357?? GL farming both Mushi and Burning for 30 minutes. #getting raped Well, they both feed, but ice3x can bring some fresh ideas and heroes into their draft, so thats at least some positive into it. 357 retired, TI3 was his last tournament and i guess they wanted more versatile and aggressive mid instead of Super! (might also be that Super! left willingly with his friend RotK). Also Mushi was much less farm-centric lately, performing on less farm heavy heroes, such as Puck, so your point is invalid. He only farms when given #1 role. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
Iceiceice as a player hasn't proven anything to me in ti3 that makes me think more of him than rotk. His Invoker game was quite good but aside from that, Rotk was integral to DK making a decent run in ti4. Icex3 on the other hand is hard to formulate an opinion on given how poor Zenith did all together. The opponents that DK played against as well was much harder than Zenith. ROTK stood out against teams such as Alliance whereas Icex3 stood out against....VP. | ||
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