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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 29 2014 10:29 BurningSera wrote: Not entirely sure why TB gets so much hype, a hero who relies heavily on farming and one of those worst heroes to play in an disadvantaged game. Model is well made though, love that they keep the fire trails, other than that he used to be a fun pub hero if you know how to use his soul steal ability but now with his skillset he will probably go safelane and be completely useless when team didnt win at 4v5 already. SnY/Manta+Skadi should still be his cores. Phoenix on the other hand will be the new kaolin, jesus christ that hero. I disagree to be honest. Long are gone the days of passive farming TB with Life Drain and/or Zeal or whatever he had in those versions. Your damage is sick with Metamorphosis, and with just one level in reflection you can literally kill any hero without escape mechanic in 1v1 situation on level 2-4. You are also pretty good pusher if you want to level up Images or even without them, just new Metamorphosis gives you 80(!) bonus damage on level 4, so I don't think that people will playing him like they did long time ago and that is 4-protect-1 kind of strategy where he just keeps farming in the safe lane. | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:12 gaymon wrote: TB is a ridiculously overpowered hero currently, quote me later after the QQ threads arrived )) That's a novel opinion. Care to elaborate why you think he is so strong? :D | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:09 Kuroeeah wrote: how was he useless before? he had passive regen with zeal and metamorph had a shorter cooldown He had Souls Steal, a far weaker Metamorphosis and illusions. He wasn't exactly strong early on. Soul steal wasn't that useful in a fight, not until it got buffed a lot and changed so it wasn't channeling anymore at least, and his other abilities did little with no items. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:14 Ramiz1989 wrote: I disagree to be honest. Long are gone the days of passive farming TB with Life Drain and/or Zeal or whatever he had in those versions. Your damage is sick with Metamorphosis, and with just one level in reflection you can literally kill any hero without escape mechanic in 1v1 situation on level 2-4. You are also pretty good pusher if you want to level up Images or even without them, just new Metamorphosis gives you 80(!) bonus damage on level 4, so I don't think that people will playing him like they did long time ago and that is 4-protect-1 kind of strategy where he just keeps farming in the safe lane. Sound like alot of theorycrafting. and how many people played the latest version of him in dota1, or at all? People are excited about TB because of the nostalgic model and after the major change on him i rarely seen him in dota1 pub. And stop saying that new metamorph gives huge damage, Sven at lvl7 gets more damage. And I am pretty sure about that you will be a good pusher when you are not playing against real players, in real game you are not going to use metamoprh to push without your team. People will run him on safelane in dota2 current meta. I was saying back then you can actually run him in whatever lane and he was a 'fun pub' hero. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:27 SKC wrote: You used to run it in any lane because pubs were terrible. It doesn't mean offlane or mid TB weren't bad at the time. If that same hero was ported into Dota 2, it would still be a late game safelane carry. Or jungler, Naix/LD style. Back then Mid/dual offlane might be bad but they were viable as in the sense that the previous TB with zeal/lifesteal+sunken can go ruin oppo whatever lane if the player knew how to use lifesteal well and then ulti for ganking/teamfight, you don't necessary need any farm on him. However whats the point if you run the TB with current skillset on a non-farming lane, he still needs items to be a good carry. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:33 BurningSera wrote: Back then Mid/dual offlane might be bad but they were viable as in the sense that the previous TB with zeal/lifesteal+sunken can go ruin oppo whatever lane if the player knew how to use lifesteal well and then ulti for ganking/teamfight, you don't necessary need any farm on him. However whats the point if you run the TB with current skillset on a non-farming lane, he still needs items to be a good carry. Right now there's no way old TB wouldn't be terrible in other lanes, and current Reflection is probally a better "support" spell than the life drain. You can at least gank people with it. Old TB was terrible early game, worse than current TB. | ||
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:26 BurningSera wrote: Sound like alot of theorycrafting. and how many people played the latest version of him in dota1, or at all? People are excited about TB because of the nostalgic model and after the major change on him i rarely seen him in dota1 pub. And stop saying that new metamorph gives huge damage, Sven at lvl7 gets more damage. And I am pretty sure about that you will be a good pusher when you are not playing against real players, in real game you are not going to use metamoprh to push without your team. People will run him on safelane in dota2 current meta. I was saying back then you can actually run him in whatever lane and he was a 'fun pub' hero. The fact alone that you compare sven to tb kind of invalidates your opinion given the fact that tb is range, has a ton more armor, no mana issues, a fuckton more as and a lower bat. Although time will tell how he is treated in competitive this hero will be a complete joke in pub, probably not ES level of stupidity but pretty fucking strong regardless. Although many people are theorycrafting about him there are probably not enough who really played that hero in its current iteration. A small hint; this hero has 100 dmg 7 armor and a 5 second 60% MS slow which deals damage on level 3. Yes Meta has insanely high cd, yes reflection is near melee range, nevertheless this hero is insane in mid and has a kill opportunity on level 2 or 3 like no other carry. Although tb will not crush your typical mid hero he will still be able to farm due to his insane armor/animation/damage while crushing weaker mid heroes with ease. Putting him on a safe farm lane is probably not bad either but probably a waste of his lane strength in most games. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
FUCK YEAH AT LAST I'm really expecting a lot of games now to have someone autopick TB or Icarus and play bad with them. | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Everyone knows the legit way to play TB is to buy Dagon.  Also,Phoenix isn't OP anymore. He used to be so damn broken when he was first released. He is the only hero that could solo kill any hero at lvl 1 with just the Sunray. His Icarus Dive is basically a 1k range nuke that allow him to escape or chase. Those Spirits? OP Heal? Plus OP dmg back then it could nuke down 1 guy to half hp when those spirits were fully charged. After that she got nerfed to oblivion and base stats got nerfed. All her spells essentially got reworked. | ||
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whoso
Germany523 Posts
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Crazy Eddie
United States128 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
i mean in WC3 he change a lot anyway glad they choose more serious models and quit with looney models like puck and np | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On January 29 2014 14:01 Vertical wrote: is it just me or does terrorblade's metamorphosis didnt change his model enough ? i mean in WC3 he change a lot anyway glad they choose more serious models and quit with looney models like puck and np Well if you compare it to the WC3, then yeah it doesn't change a lot. If you look at it, metamorphosis makes him "bigger", like when you used BKB in WC3, and his wings are bigger too. | ||
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On January 29 2014 05:44 Kznn wrote: I find TB to be one of the worst models :/ I don't really like his model at all. (human form) oh well, on the other side phoenix is beyond amazing. I totally agree. The red TB version looks okay though, will be interesting how hard it will be to get. I dont like his metamorph much in either forms. Also the attack-animation is really dull. Not at all like in wc3, where he shot comets. I think i will play phoenix simply because of the model. Icarus is truely beautiful and so are sunray and supernova. @original TB model: hard to trump a guy who has wings, horns, tons of muscles, golden tattoos, dual blades and glowing, blind eyes. Evil Illidan-model has enough awesomeness that it clearly classifies for being over the top. | ||
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