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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
January 28 2014 00:15 GMT
#221
I'm actually going to use focus fire now, what a thought.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 28 2014 00:17 GMT
#222
On January 28 2014 08:50 Seiuchi wrote:
Man, Agh's upgrade on Ogre feels so bad. Unrefined is gonna cost 600 on the first rotation at least with a raw Ogre Magi build (Wand, Arcane's, Mek or Force, Agh's), and if you get any items past that it's gonna be the same price as like Mystic Flare. Sure, it's nice if you have no mana, but 60% seems harsh for what the ability actually does.


It's only "worse" at over 1000 mana, as long as you're smart and spamming your other spells first.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 00:23:49
January 28 2014 00:23 GMT
#223
Morphling
- You can now cast and attack while in Waveform

Guess who's back?
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
January 28 2014 00:25 GMT
#224
So when is the patch deployed? Thursday?
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
January 28 2014 00:26 GMT
#225
On January 28 2014 09:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 08:50 Seiuchi wrote:
Man, Agh's upgrade on Ogre feels so bad. Unrefined is gonna cost 600 on the first rotation at least with a raw Ogre Magi build (Wand, Arcane's, Mek or Force, Agh's), and if you get any items past that it's gonna be the same price as like Mystic Flare. Sure, it's nice if you have no mana, but 60% seems harsh for what the ability actually does.


It's only "worse" at over 1000 mana, as long as you're smart and spamming your other spells first.


The point is that you're going to have over 1000 mana when you cast it even after a rotation of your other spells, unless you somehow built just raw Agh's scepter.

And it's completely worse if you have a Eul's or Sheep in addition.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 00:35:27
January 28 2014 00:33 GMT
#226
How does the sharing the bottle trick work now?

You drag the item onto ally while holding control key?

And was Necrobook hit hard enough?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 28 2014 00:41 GMT
#227
On January 28 2014 09:26 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 09:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2014 08:50 Seiuchi wrote:
Man, Agh's upgrade on Ogre feels so bad. Unrefined is gonna cost 600 on the first rotation at least with a raw Ogre Magi build (Wand, Arcane's, Mek or Force, Agh's), and if you get any items past that it's gonna be the same price as like Mystic Flare. Sure, it's nice if you have no mana, but 60% seems harsh for what the ability actually does.


It's only "worse" at over 1000 mana, as long as you're smart and spamming your other spells first.


The point is that you're going to have over 1000 mana when you cast it even after a rotation of your other spells, unless you somehow built just raw Agh's scepter.

And it's completely worse if you have a Eul's or Sheep in addition.

Just for the first cast. With the extremelly short CD you may cast it 3 or more times in a fight.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
January 28 2014 00:41 GMT
#228
On January 28 2014 09:26 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 09:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2014 08:50 Seiuchi wrote:
Man, Agh's upgrade on Ogre feels so bad. Unrefined is gonna cost 600 on the first rotation at least with a raw Ogre Magi build (Wand, Arcane's, Mek or Force, Agh's), and if you get any items past that it's gonna be the same price as like Mystic Flare. Sure, it's nice if you have no mana, but 60% seems harsh for what the ability actually does.


It's only "worse" at over 1000 mana, as long as you're smart and spamming your other spells first.


The point is that you're going to have over 1000 mana when you cast it even after a rotation of your other spells, unless you somehow built just raw Agh's scepter.

And it's completely worse if you have a Eul's or Sheep in addition.

Except for the subsequent casts in a longer fight because the spell only has a 6 second cooldown. Before, you could only cast it once a fight pretty much without expending the rest of your mana pool.

Now you are always guaranteed to have a chance at multicasts every 6 seconds regardless of whatever else you're doing.
Writer
Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
January 28 2014 00:42 GMT
#229
i want meepos many many meepos. So exited.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 28 2014 00:43 GMT
#230
a signature dota hero such as meepo always needs more playtime
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
January 28 2014 00:44 GMT
#231
my prayers have been answered

is it live yet btw? I might need to reinstall it
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 28 2014 00:49 GMT
#232
The Ogre aghanims is definitely a buff. Someone could do the math, but I'm pretty sure that unless you have 2 huge mana items like sheep, bloodstone or shiva, you will get to cast more fireblasts. And the thing is, he might not even have to go for mana items now. I think medallion or necrobook could be great on Ogre now, or even bigger items like AC. I would even consider phaseboots over manaboots on him, if you're going for aghanims. He probably needs to have a more farming role to pull it off, which is probably not optimal. I'm gonna definitely try to play him that way n pubs, that's for sure.
super gg
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 00:55:55
January 28 2014 00:52 GMT
#233
On January 28 2014 09:41 scintilliaSD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 09:26 Seiuchi wrote:
On January 28 2014 09:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2014 08:50 Seiuchi wrote:
Man, Agh's upgrade on Ogre feels so bad. Unrefined is gonna cost 600 on the first rotation at least with a raw Ogre Magi build (Wand, Arcane's, Mek or Force, Agh's), and if you get any items past that it's gonna be the same price as like Mystic Flare. Sure, it's nice if you have no mana, but 60% seems harsh for what the ability actually does.


It's only "worse" at over 1000 mana, as long as you're smart and spamming your other spells first.


The point is that you're going to have over 1000 mana when you cast it even after a rotation of your other spells, unless you somehow built just raw Agh's scepter.

And it's completely worse if you have a Eul's or Sheep in addition.

Except for the subsequent casts in a longer fight because the spell only has a 6 second cooldown. Before, you could only cast it once a fight pretty much without expending the rest of your mana pool.

Now you are always guaranteed to have a chance at multicasts every 6 seconds regardless of whatever else you're doing.


You always had a chance at multicasts every 6 seconds with normal Fireblast at level 3 ult. Saying it's okay new Unrefined destroys your mana pool so you can cast a Fireblast every six seconds ignores the fact that without unrefined you can still do that and actually still get off Ignites and Bloodlust.

With Agh's and a decent Int/mana item before, you could actually get off a decent amount of double fireblasts, which now isn't possible. You've sacrificed that for the ability of... okay, if you just go straight Agh's with nothing else, you kinda get a buff when you run out of mana, that isn't really a buff because you could've just not built Agh's scepter and done the same thing?
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 28 2014 00:55 GMT
#234
Bunker
Build time reduced by 5 seconds

Hell yeah !
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
January 28 2014 01:16 GMT
#235
On January 28 2014 09:23 trinxified wrote:
Morphling
- You can now cast and attack while in Waveform

Guess who's back?

Korok #1 NA carry again?
Skol
RookerS
Profile Joined May 2013
Ivory Coast75 Posts
January 28 2014 01:26 GMT
#236
Bunker
Build time reduced by 5 seconds

terran OP
TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
January 28 2014 01:38 GMT
#237
On January 28 2014 08:58 buckKeefe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 08:37 EnumaAvalon wrote:
What's
Bunker
Build time increased by 5 seconds
???
I haven't played in a while


it's a joke added by TL -- there was a period of time where blizzard kept messing around with terran bunkers in starcraft 2 every single patch. gotta admit that i giggled.

Oh thanks... I've been here for so long and I still didn't get it. :D
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 28 2014 01:38 GMT
#238
You got me at bunker.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
January 28 2014 01:38 GMT
#239
ABILITY DRAFT!!
I've been waiting for this mode!
TB is cool too.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
January 28 2014 01:38 GMT
#240
Jaw on the floor, looks brilliant (except -3 intelligence to Crystal Maiden, please don't nerf my support waifu).

Unrefined Fireblast now gives the Ogre a spammable stun that he can always use, yes? So a low-mana Ogre with Aghanim's can still chuck a disable, but an Ogre with a full mana pool will probably want to stick to his other skills if possible.
My strategy is to fork people.
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