On September 18 2013 12:17 Burrfoot wrote: All they need if gold isn't a "valuable" currency anymore is something like tradable level 70 demonic essences. (angelic essences!).
i wonder how blizzard is going to do this legally considering they sold the product with the express promise that a RMAH (and maybe a AH) is part of the game. it says it right there on the packaging. first they sell the game without a RMAH despite making the promise, and now they are taking it away despite the promise. pretty lol.
as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
Stupid decision. AH was a safe and efficient place to get your gear and items. I have looked through d2jsp for items but it's just so stupidly cumbersome compared to AH. Yes I have made a lot of gold and money through AH/RMAH but I never bought anything with my own money. I also play HC and the AH there is really great since there's no RMAH.
They better replace AH with something similar cause I don't wanna browse forums or spam chat channels all day to sell an item for 100k gold that would sell in seconds on AH. Like gathering items for a build that requires specific items is going to be a nightmare and same with crafting materials.
Also I actually thought it was more fun making a good deal or finding a cheap upgrade on AH than it was finding items from monsters that I sold for 400m. I mean being able to buy an item for 5m gold and selling for 40€ is just simply amazing and makes you realize how unaware people are to how economics works. Unless they make everyone find godly items like in D2 or the console version, which would make the game very boring, the D3 economy will still be there but in other places than AH.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
I guess... meanwhile the internet gives everybody a voice. Damn internet... so negative.
I can not believe the amount of people in here that liked the AH. And RMAH? Literally blows my mind. You think it's fun to browse the AH instead of playing the game? Try stocks instead. Let Diablo be a game about killing monsters.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
its more an academic issue than anything else. they took away something they promised without consent. why should they be allowed to do that?
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
this is a weird mentality. they arent changing the color of the wizard's robe. they are changing something so important that they decided to specifically advertise it on the box. there is limited room on the box cover, but this is what they chose to specifically point out.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
its more an academic issue than anything else. they took away something they promised without consent. why should they be allowed to do that?
Without consent? I don't think consent applies here. They can't get the unified consent of 10 million+ people. They do have the "consent" of a huge amount of the player base on top of developer agreement that the AH was generally bad for the game.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
this is a weird mentality. they arent changing the color of the wizard's robe. they are changing something so important that they decided to specifically advertise it on the box. there is limited room on the box cover, but this is what they chose to specifically point out.
It was a feature that most other games dont have. Note that they advertised the RMAH, not the gold AH. Being able to make money off of a game (legally) is a unique selling point.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
its more an academic issue than anything else. they took away something they promised without consent. why should they be allowed to do that?
Without consent? I don't think consent applies here. They can't get the unified consent of 10 million+ people. They do have the "consent" of a huge amount of the player base on top of developer agreement that the AH was generally bad for the game.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
this is a weird mentality. they arent changing the color of the wizard's robe. they are changing something so important that they decided to specifically advertise it on the box. there is limited room on the box cover, but this is what they chose to specifically point out.
It was a feature that most other games dont have. Note that they advertised the RMAH, not the gold AH. Being able to make money off of a game (legally) is a unique selling point.
consent always applies. just because they cant get consent because of practical reasons means that they arent allowed to take away the functionality. they are trying to get "consent" through their new EULA (maybe, maybe its for another reason), but i highly question the legality of what they are doing since they are saying "accept no AH/RMAH or you cant play anymore." lets not be sheep people. just because you like the change doesnt mean laws go out the window.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
its more an academic issue than anything else. they took away something they promised without consent. why should they be allowed to do that?
Without consent? I don't think consent applies here. They can't get the unified consent of 10 million+ people. They do have the "consent" of a huge amount of the player base on top of developer agreement that the AH was generally bad for the game.
On September 18 2013 13:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:47 ThaZenith wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
this is a weird mentality. they arent changing the color of the wizard's robe. they are changing something so important that they decided to specifically advertise it on the box. there is limited room on the box cover, but this is what they chose to specifically point out.
It was a feature that most other games dont have. Note that they advertised the RMAH, not the gold AH. Being able to make money off of a game (legally) is a unique selling point.
consent always applies. just because they cant get consent because of practical reasons means that they arent allowed to take away the functionality. they are trying to get "consent" through their new EULA (maybe, maybe its for another reason), but i highly question the legality of what they are doing since they are saying "accept no AH/RMAH or you cant play anymore." lets not be sheep people. just because you like the change doesnt mean laws go out the window.
You do realize that you already agreed to the previous EULA's which all have "Blizzard may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time" in them, right? They don't need to get consent through the new EULA to remove the AH.
Taking the AH after implementing loot 2.0 is not a good thing for everyone. Character progression right now: 1%: self done: level up, unlock inferno and GL dropping anything. 5%: AH trading, investing your farm should give you a starter gear to get you started 5-100%: Invest huge gold farmed ingame / money amount in a secured way and get to where you are satisfied with your character
For Ros: 80% self done: taken from console players you get to 400-600k dps and 500-800k EHP with the new high affixes rolls(80+all resist, huge main stats+vit) Look at this barbarian 8 days after console launch 80-100%: GL sitting in trade channels and forums getting lowballed, scammed and losing faith in humanity bit by bit.
The AH wasn't the issue about the game. Designing everything in the game around it was, notably Loots and Legendaries 1.X. And now that they are redesining the game as a Diablo game where you may loot things that are good for a character unlocking 90% of your character potential by yourself with high value loots they remove the secure way of getting from high value to BiS/near BiS items. Ways to go from the worst to not that bad.
I agree, you shouldn't need to use AH to do anything in the game. But people that want to start min-maxing their character getting the 5-10% more efficient than a self found character after 300-400h of played in D3 should have a convenient way to do it like an AH.
Who the fuck decided that 12 all resist or 20 str/vit/dex/int as an affix roll on a ilvl 63 item was something someone may be excited about. Sure the presence of the AH made available mid level item affordable after some months of farming/botting but anyone knows how unrealistic the inferno progression was, you didn't farm act1 to go to act 2 and then 3, you skipped and went for act 3 to Tyrael siegebreaker, elite hunting or chest "exploit" because ilvl 61 weren't ever going to make you able to sustain Act 2 difficulty and the only other choice was to farm gold and get mid/high level gear once affordable.
You should have been able to loot decent gear (never less than 75% of max affixe value for a specific affixe), at launch they wanted rares to be the high end perfect items and looted rares were so shit because you were supposed to have access to AH they made legendary even more shit except atk speed legendary because they can't design balanced affixe even if it is their job.
They are playing the let's chase every decision Jay Wilson made and doubled and remove it, they should not remove the only thing that made D3 more confortable and accessible to play in the long run than D2.
They should only remove it from ladder IMO, I liked the AH because I don't have the time or patience anymore to grind for hours a day and still not find an upgrade. The people that do have the time and patience will most likely be playing on ladder anyway because they are the ones that are most vocal about how awful the AH is.
On September 18 2013 13:34 Iblis wrote: Taking the AH after implementing loot 2.0 is not a good thing for everyone. Character progression right now: 1%: self done: level up, unlock inferno and GL dropping anything. 5%: AH trading, investing your farm should give you a starter gear to get you started 5-100%: Invest huge gold farmed ingame / money amount in a secured way and get to where you are satisfied with your character
For Ros: 80% self done: taken from console players you get to 400-600k dps and 500-800k EHP with the new high affixes rolls(80+all resist, huge main stats+vit) Look at this barbarian 8 days after console launch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHjHUG1DIc 80-100%: GL sitting in trade channels and forums getting lowballed, scammed and losing faith in humanity bit by bit.
The AH wasn't the issue about the game. Designing everything in the game around it was, notably Loots and Legendaries 1.X. And now that they are redesining the game as a Diablo game where you may loot things that are good for a character unlocking 90% of your character potential by yourself with high value loots they remove the secure way of getting from high value to BiS/near BiS items. Ways to go from the worst to not that bad.
I agree, you shouldn't need to use AH to do anything in the game. But people that want to start min-maxing their character getting the 5-10% more efficient than a self found character after 300-400h of played in D3 should have a convenient way to do it like an AH.
Who the fuck decided that 12 all resist or 20 str/vit/dex/int as an affix roll on a ilvl 63 item was something someone may be excited about. Sure the presence of the AH made available mid level item affordable after some months of farming/botting but anyone knows how unrealistic the inferno progression was, you didn't farm act1 to go to act 2 and then 3, you skipped and went for act 3 to Tyrael siegebreaker, elite hunting or chest "exploit" because ilvl 61 weren't ever going to make you able to sustain Act 2 difficulty and the only other choice was to farm gold and get mid/high level gear once affordable.
You should have been able to loot decent gear (never less than 75% of max affixe value for a specific affixe), at launch they wanted rares to be the high end perfect items and looted rares were so shit because you were supposed to have access to AH they made legendary even more shit except atk speed legendary because they can't design balanced affixe even if it is their job.
Console version is tuned differently because console players prefer to play games differently than PC players. Also, controls are different (harder with less control) so they need to do more damage and have more defensive stats. Comparing the items on the two is ridiculous.
There will still be ways to do it, via trade forums (bnet or d2jsp) or ingame trade chat and maybe some other way that they havent revealed yet. The AH was, plain and simple, too efficient.
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
its more an academic issue than anything else. they took away something they promised without consent. why should they be allowed to do that?
Without consent? I don't think consent applies here. They can't get the unified consent of 10 million+ people. They do have the "consent" of a huge amount of the player base on top of developer agreement that the AH was generally bad for the game.
On September 18 2013 13:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:47 ThaZenith wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
On September 18 2013 12:31 Black Gun wrote: as far as i heard, there was an emergency shutdown of the US battlenet servers tonight which lasted for about 2 hours. i got curious and tried to log on US (normally eu player) and had to agree to a new end user license agreement. could this have to do with this step? like... for legal reasons, they have to get the end users' official consent for this step 6 months before it takes place or something like that?
there is also a maintenance downtime on eu tonight. there hasnt been a maintenance on eu for over a month...
just saw that and i declined it.
debating whether to ask for a refund. lol at them trying to force a EULA down our throats in order to bypass their false advertising.
I dont think you can get a refund after playing a game for 2 years. There is also probably a clause somewhere stating that online content will change. It is also not really false advertising since it WAS in the game.
EDIT: Why is it that no matter what blizz does, it is always a bad move?
It's more that, no matter what you do you can't make EVERYBODY happy.
this is a weird mentality. they arent changing the color of the wizard's robe. they are changing something so important that they decided to specifically advertise it on the box. there is limited room on the box cover, but this is what they chose to specifically point out.
It was a feature that most other games dont have. Note that they advertised the RMAH, not the gold AH. Being able to make money off of a game (legally) is a unique selling point.
consent always applies. just because they cant get consent because of practical reasons means that they arent allowed to take away the functionality. they are trying to get "consent" through their new EULA (maybe, maybe its for another reason), but i highly question the legality of what they are doing since they are saying "accept no AH/RMAH or you cant play anymore." lets not be sheep people. just because you like the change doesnt mean laws go out the window.
You do realize that you already agreed to the previous EULA's which all have "Blizzard may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time" in them, right? They don't need to get consent through the new EULA to remove the AH.
you really arent that naive are you? do you think they can give themselves carte blanche to do whatever they want?
RMAH was a specifically advertised portion of the game. they cant just sneak in a EULA and then say "oh ho ho, guess what you signed when you logged in and clicked "i agree" despite having no choice other than clicking it because we will take your game away."
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