Reaper of Souls General Discussion - Page 49

On August 23 2013 07:45 ApexTrinity wrote:

Blizzard considered it a success because it sold 12 million copies on nothing but hype and misdirection. It was a success financially, but it was still designed terribly and is a poor game. Blizzard will always release a game that works and is polished, but a polished game with terrible design is not a good game in any regard.

On August 23 2013 08:02 DODswe4 wrote:


there is still alot of players playing Diablo3... the old figure they realeased was since launch to the 1year anniversary 2.1 million people played it daily. I know I still play it with my friends because we find it fun. I find the game to be good because I find the combat to be enjoyable

Edit: Source http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/21/diablo-3-one-year-anniversary-infographic-unleashes-hellishly-huge-numbers/

On August 23 2013 08:02 DODswe4 wrote:


there is still alot of players playing Diablo3... the old figure they realeased was since launch to the 1year anniversary 2.1 million people played it daily. I know I still play it with my friends because we find it fun. I find the game to be good because I find the combat to be enjoyable

Edit: Source http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/21/diablo-3-one-year-anniversary-infographic-unleashes-hellishly-huge-numbers/

On August 23 2013 08:10 ApexTrinity wrote:

Which means out of the 12 million sales since launch 84% didn't continue playing. That is a VERY large decrease for a year after the game's release.

On August 23 2013 08:10 ApexTrinity wrote:

Which means out of the 12 million sales since launch 84% didn't continue playing. That is a VERY large decrease for a year after the game's release.

On August 23 2013 08:14 Plansix wrote:

That is an an amazing retention rate for a game that is a year old and is co-op multiplayer. I assume you would find similar values with games like L4D a year after launch. Most people who bought the game only went through it a few times with friends.

On August 23 2013 08:18 Phael wrote:
I don't get all this nostalgia over D2. I remember my first D2 experience, I rolled a sorceress. At level 1, I was killing stuff by whacking them with my stick. Alright, whatever, rpgs start out slow right? At level 8, I was killing stuff by whacking them with my stick. 2/3 the time I was oom. Ok, so lets put some points into warmth. Oh hey, an armor skill, cool. I'm at level 17 now, act2 dead, I have like 5 points into fireball, and it's taking me 7 or 8 shots to kill something. I then get glacial spike, whoa, good damage. Some more points there ... soon enough I'm level 30, and I realize that I realize that I've used enough points in non-vital skills that my sorc would never be good. There goes 20 hours.

Ok, lets reroll. Make a new sorc. Melee to kill stuff! Use level 1 versions of crappy pre-req skills for utility until 30! Spend the first 15 levels worth of stat points into strength despite barely having enough mana to cast two skills in a row!

... is that not retarded?

Do people not remember that endgame for Diablo 2 (not LoD) consisted almost entirely of good rare gear, with a very small selection of legendaries? I remember seeing someone with a duped SoJ for the first time and drooling at it, then spending a month of free time to farm up an entire inventory worth of perfect skulls to trade for one.

D3 is unequivocally a better game in every way with better balance, better skills, and far more enjoyment than D2 where endgame was rounding up a bunch of cows and aoeing them down. With 7 other completely random retards who may or may not be good enough to control your leveling rate.

There's so much negativity about this game that apparently is the best selling pc game of 2012 despite the horrible press and error 37s and all. To date, I have never spent as much time in a non-Blizzard title as D3 (~300hours), and I'm sure many can say the same. I get that there's a tendency for humans to disdain popular things which makes them feel cool, but saying that D2 was better? That's just ridiculous.

On August 23 2013 08:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Doubt it, L4D is like 3 bucks every single time there's a Steam Sale and then some. It's also much much easier to get into and have some instant fun with friends than any RPG. The fact that it has all that mutation business going on, plus the fact that it's now Steam Workshop compatible really add to its lifespan. Hell, my friends and I have sunk well over 100 hours in L4D2 each over the course of like 3 years just playing casually and having fun. I know other people on Steam who still play it every once in a while.

So yeah, really poor example right there.

On August 23 2013 08:24 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


You really didnt understand D2/LOD or just played it for 20 hrs and quit. D3's only improvement over D2 LOD is the graphics and fighting animations. Everything else it is inferior in every way. Im not sure if we are playing the same game. Or maybe you just like this dumbed down version of diablo Im not sure why. But you are a small minority who thinks D3 is better than D2 in every aspect.

You really didnt understand D2/LOD or just played it for 20 hrs and quit. D3's only improvement over D2 LOD is the graphics and fighting animations. Everything else it is inferior in every way. Im not sure if we are playing the same game. Or maybe you just like this dumbed down version of diablo Im not sure why. But you are a small minority who thinks D3 is better than D2 in every aspect.

On August 23 2013 08:21 DODswe4 wrote:
I know, its the only number we have and even if its only a tenth of that its more then most games out there. compare it to sc2 or for that matter how many people continued to play broodwar? first of all how much it sells is not always a good way to measure a game, dark souls sold something along the lines of two million copies and was considered a success, dead space 3 sold more than that and was considered a failure. I can also say that most people I know of did not play Diablo 2 for more then a year. They came back to it from time to time. Most games in this era is not played for very long at all. Hell most people don't even finish their games.

With the improvement that have come since release and is now coming with the expansion I can clearly see that Blizzard have not stopped caring about diablo and will continue to try to improve it. I find it funny how many hate on blizzard and then still buy their games

you know there are still hundred of thousands of players of D2 LOD

Let's take the attribute and skill point system that was in place. Instead of improving upon the pitfalls that D2 had with attribute points and skill points(such as being locked into a particular build, only 2 chances to get it right, having to reroll to get it right, only a handful of cookie cutter builds were viable, etc), they completely removed the ability to allocate attribute points and gave everyone the ability to play every skill at end game without any real investment/thought put into it. There is no true character identity. Instead of improving upon said pitfalls, they essentially abandoned ship with it.

On August 23 2013 08:28 Phael wrote:


It's hard to estimate since it's been a decade, but I'm pretty sure I spent about 500 hours in D2 (of which maybe 150 was D2 classic). What exactly makes it better?

The leveling up process was significantly more enjoyable in D3.
The difficulty level (especially week 1 inferno) of D3 was much better tuned than D2.
Monsters and bosses had much more interesting abilities that you're able to skillfully avoid in D3 (Duriel zone-in death?)
Just about the only thing that D2 has over D3 was interesting uniques/runewords that came with LoD.

On August 23 2013 08:30 Bayyne wrote:
You choose to remember the few bad things about D2? Do you really think people that are nostalgic consider only the bad? No. There were countless good things D2 had. There were great ideas that maybe were not implemented or done in a way that was more efficient.

Let's take the attribute and skill point system that was in place. Instead of improving upon the pitfalls that D2 had with attribute points and skill points(such as being locked into a particular build, only 2 chances to get it right, having to reroll to get it right, only a handful of cookie cutter builds were viable, etc), they completely removed the ability to allocate attribute points and gave everyone the ability to play every skill at end game without any real investment/thought put into it. There is no true character identity. Instead of improving upon said pitfalls, they essentially abandoned ship with it.

They had a great idea with the rune-word system, despite its many downsides (again, cookie cutter OP combos, etc). Instead of improving upon that to make it work, they removed it.

There were countless great features that D2 had, not to mention a better item system, that were either working well at the time or had great potential to be awesome for D3. That's what people are generally upset about.

Is D3 a fun game? Yes. Is it a worthy successor? In my eyes, absolutely fucking not. It's a step backwards in game design.

On August 23 2013 08:29 [Crimson]Bason wrote:


you know there are still hundred of thousands of players of D2 LOD and its mod still playing... after 12-13 years after its launch. and you now have D3 with almost similar amount of players just after 1 year of its release...

Just based on that, you know how badly they messed D3 up. They cant ride on the hype and on their old franchise for too long if they continue this path. D3 is just the beginning of people having doubts and holding back before ordering a blizzard game.

On August 23 2013 08:27 Plansix wrote:

L4D came out in 2008 and L4D 2 game out in 2009. They are over 4 and 5 years old. I would hope they would be cheap at this point.

And I have over 100 in D3 between my normal games, games with friends and playing with my GF. We also play L4D 2 from time to time. And my example is fine.