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On August 21 2013 00:01 Nyovne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:12 dutchfriese wrote: fool me once shame on me, fool me twice... blizzard any foolin me again with this one Sad and breaking my childhood heart but I have to admit that this is exactly how I feel about this.
Agreed, this is a blizz purchase I won't actually buy.... sad days
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its not sad, you just saved 40$ worth of shitty d3 content.
fuck.you.jay.wilson.you.lying.scumbag.
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Diablo 3 was the biggest disappointement in my gamer life (even Simcity 5 wasn't that surprising coming from EA). I don't really know if it came from the long waiting, or if the game was crap compared to D2 plus the icing on the cake DRM/RMAH. Oh wait maybe both reasons lol, I just don't wanna hear about an expansion, sorry ActiBlizz.
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On August 17 2013 07:15 dutchfriese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:12 maartendq wrote:On August 17 2013 06:30 NukeD wrote:On August 17 2013 06:08 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 06:01 crms wrote:On August 17 2013 05:51 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 05:39 crms wrote:On August 17 2013 05:30 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 05:25 crms wrote: blizzard just needs to stop trying to 're-'invent' new games, they aren't good at it anymore.
Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 should have got the Dota 2 treatment. Major overhaul in graphical updates, some nice convenience changes and major updates in social/UI features (not the bnet 2.0 we got).
They can add a few things for flavor but they fundamentally changed both franchise games at a game design level for the worse in SC and Diablo.
I refuse to play D2 again or any game with skill trees and no ability to change my character. I do not like being punished for trying out new things and i don't like restarting. I also demand to select over 12 units, hot key buildings and set good waypoints for several buildings at once. everything you said could be included in 'nice convenience changes' I'm not that old school trueblood that thought MBS or auto mine RUINED STARCRAFT. Those things would be fine. Total respec on RPG characters is pretty ass though. You should have to have some level of commitment to certain builds etc, I mean even D2 has some respec options now which should suffice everyone. I'm sure they could come up with something. The problem is that blizzard thought they could make better games than the ones people still played 10+ years later, religiously. They couldn't. This world would be a marvelous place if SC and Diablo got the Dota 2 treatment. They could have had new acts, additional items etc for D3 to give the single player experience a new feel but they shouldn't have tinkered with the fundamental game design of either game. They goofed and these games will not carry the longevity or fandom of their predecessors. I'd argue they're only mentioned at all these days BECAUSE of the name they carry and not because of any inherent greatness in the individual games. I I am 33 year old and play video games in my free time. I am not playing an RPG if I can’t respect my character, end of story. Torch light 2 sat in my Steam account collecting dust bust until there was a mod that let me respect that worked well If Blizzard wants to lose money from me and most of my friends (also who hate being punished for trying new things) then they should totally make a game without respecs. But they don’t, because we are the market they want, 24-35 year old, college educated professionals who have income to buy 3-7 games a year if not more. My girlfriend isn’t playing one either, since she hates picking things she can’t change later. If they went this route, that is two Diablo 3 sales they would not get. The same with SC2 and all the old stuff people wanted in there. The shit the hardcore people loved will not make me buy games. It will make a bunch of my friends no buy games. You wouldn't buy Diablo 3 if it didn't have respec but bought Torchlight 2 by your own admission? Whether it sat in your steam account collecting dust is irrelevant, the devs got the sale. I'd wager you would have bought D3 even without respec, played through the game once or twice and quit just as you likely did now. If placating casuals into buying the initial game is Blizzards only goal at this point, they've already failed their namesake and can be washed away with any 'insert name' game developer. It's also odd you attach yourself to the respec point (which I already said could be manipulated even d2 has respec options) and ignore anything else entirely. p.s. I think the entire TL community knows you're 33 with a gf by now so you can stop prefacing your posts with this information.  I got Torchlight 2 while donating to chairity, and it sat undused while I played the Witcher 2(which doesn’t have level locked abilities, to respecs are not a huge deal) and like 15 other games. I played D3 for 60-80 hours and more so with my girlfriend. And I am not a casual gamer, I play Dota 2 and SC2. I played FTL a number of times and crushed my way through Super Meat Boy. I like hard games. I just hate wasting my team because the game is designed to punish me for trying new things Note:The age might be over kill, but people sometimes assume we are all college kids. It also points out I don't have unlimited free time to put up with dumb game bullshit. Why do you act like its all black and white? Its not like there cant be a middle ground where we can have the best of the both worlds. I always use Dark Souls as a modern game that absolutelly nailed described mechanics. D3 failed at that (and failed epicly at some other elements of the game; for example the story). On the other hand, SC2 in my opinion DID find the middle ground but its the rest of the game that fell short. Why do people care about the story in Diablo 3? The story in its predecessors was nothing short of ridiculous as well, and only served as an excuse to kill tons of monsters. the d3 story was laughably bad, technically we were the actual bad guys -_-
i blame the elder scrolls
creating a deep and rich in-game history and lore was and still is the new big thing, blizzard's half-assed attempt to do this with diablo3 and having diablo novels basically lay out all the major plot elements we saw in d3 was a terrible idea
the story in diablo and diablo2 was good because you didn't have tons of irrelevant information thrown at you and you weren't given too much information about the world. there was an element of mystery. d3? oh there's 3 books about the nephilim. we have to tailor our d3 story to these books we've already published and guess what the books weren't that good. every 2-3 minutes some new "lore" was popping up on your screen and you had zero incentive to care about any of it.
you show up in lut gholein in d2, you talk to atma, she tells you how her family was killed by radament. you cared, even just a little.
d3, you show up in caldeum, and emperor hakkan is having a spat with the caldeum aristocracy. big whoop. it was obvious from the beginning that emperor hakkan either was belial or was being controlled by belial. this repeats itself again and again in d3: what was going to happen was so obvious and totally failed at making you care. diablo 2: diablo is going east. what's he going to do? we have to chase him and accomplish things to find out. what is going on in diablo3? as soon as you meet leah's mom whatever her name is, you know what is going to happen the rest of the game. it was awful.
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On August 21 2013 03:21 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: its not sad, you just saved 40$ worth of shitty d3 content.
fuck.you.jay.wilson.you.lying.scumbag. We should thank Jay Wilson for leading a team which not just created D2 in 3D, but an actually new Diablo.
I guess that many think if they overstate a lukewarm opinion to blow it big to a negative one, they would do something good to encourage a big company to work harder. But this negativity and hate is just laughable.
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Yes, taking a game and making it unilaterally worse is deserving of gratitude.
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On August 21 2013 03:43 Yacobs wrote: Yes, taking a game and making it unilaterally worse is deserving of gratitude. In many areas, D3 is a big improvement. That does not mean that I hate D2 now. I have very fond memories of it.
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well at least everyone seems to like hearthstone, blizzards first universally accepted game since War3 TFT or 'vanilla' WoW!
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On August 21 2013 03:34 DeepElemBlues wrote: you show up in lut gholein in d2, you talk to atma, she tells you how her family was killed by radament. you cared, even just a little.
d3, you show up in caldeum, and emperor hakkan is having a spat with the caldeum aristocracy. big whoop. it was obvious from the beginning that emperor hakkan either was belial or was being controlled by belial. this repeats itself again and again in d3: what was going to happen was so obvious and totally failed at making you care. diablo 2: diablo is going east. what's he going to do? we have to chase him and accomplish things to find out. what is going on in diablo3? as soon as you meet leah's mom whatever her name is, you know what is going to happen the rest of the game. it was awful.
I did not care about Atma, she was just another questgiver.
Is this really because of bad storywriting and not because you are older and learnt from all the movies to expect stuff like this? Or you watched all the datamined stuff beforehand and knew what will happen because of that?
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On August 21 2013 03:45 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:43 Yacobs wrote: Yes, taking a game and making it unilaterally worse is deserving of gratitude. In many areas, D3 is a big improvement. That does not mean that I hate D2 now. I have very fond memories of it.
Many areas including Graphics and...
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I can't name any other areas.
What were those other areas again?
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On August 21 2013 03:56 cjin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:34 DeepElemBlues wrote: you show up in lut gholein in d2, you talk to atma, she tells you how her family was killed by radament. you cared, even just a little.
d3, you show up in caldeum, and emperor hakkan is having a spat with the caldeum aristocracy. big whoop. it was obvious from the beginning that emperor hakkan either was belial or was being controlled by belial. this repeats itself again and again in d3: what was going to happen was so obvious and totally failed at making you care. diablo 2: diablo is going east. what's he going to do? we have to chase him and accomplish things to find out. what is going on in diablo3? as soon as you meet leah's mom whatever her name is, you know what is going to happen the rest of the game. it was awful. I did not care about Atma, she was just another questgiver. Is this really because of bad storywriting and not because you are older and learnt from all the movies to expect stuff like this? Or you watched all the datamined stuff beforehand and knew what will happen because of that?
Could be because I am older, but its probably because the gameplay was so replayable in D2 that sometimes you caught parts of the story on your second, third, and thousandth time through. Same for BW.
D3 wasn't worth a replay, for many of the reasons mentioned above.
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On August 21 2013 04:00 Jermstuddog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:45 [F_]aths wrote:On August 21 2013 03:43 Yacobs wrote: Yes, taking a game and making it unilaterally worse is deserving of gratitude. In many areas, D3 is a big improvement. That does not mean that I hate D2 now. I have very fond memories of it. Many areas including Graphics and... ... .. . I can't name any other areas. What were those other areas again?
Story. Also the gameflow feels much smoother. The auction house is also really neatly implemented, its tuning (should be tuned so that item flipping is not more profitable than farming) and the item system (range of quality on uniques is too big) however ruined the game.
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On August 21 2013 04:10 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:00 Jermstuddog wrote:On August 21 2013 03:45 [F_]aths wrote:On August 21 2013 03:43 Yacobs wrote: Yes, taking a game and making it unilaterally worse is deserving of gratitude. In many areas, D3 is a big improvement. That does not mean that I hate D2 now. I have very fond memories of it. Many areas including Graphics and... ... .. . I can't name any other areas. What were those other areas again? Story. Also the gameflow feels much smoother. The auction house is also really neatly implemented, its tuning (should be tuned so that item flipping is not more profitable than farming) and the item system (range of quality on uniques is too big) however ruined the game. Well, storytelling was fine. Story itself sucked.
But I like D3 mainly for its combat. It has very visceral satisfying feel to it, you feel every punch. Also skill system turned out way better than I thought it would be. When they announced it I doubted it was right decision, but I think it was.
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honestly, the only major problem with D3 is the lack of skill balancing updates, the itemization, and the (lack of) map design / randomization. D3 needs ladder seasons to reset the economy too. The 1-60 game is fantastic, you can do whatever the hell you want with your skills and it's incredibly fun. My concern is that I feel that the RMAH is causing them to be far too conservative with their updates due to potential backlash from items now becoming worthless. The expansion is when that naturally happens, so we might just have to wait and have faith.
Inferno forces people into a couple of builds, but it's the same thing in other games like TL2 in elite / EHC mode. Same thing with stat points, you just put enough in a stat for something, and max damage. my EHC outlander has zero points into vit and str, you don't need them, it's useless. Then I just run around throwing glaives for 90% of the game. Everything else is either a buff or a passive skill.
I don't care about the story elements in either game, so I really won't mention it. I do agree that D3 is too "hollywood / mainstreamized" as opposed to the original. SC2 as well.
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On August 21 2013 04:00 Jermstuddog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:45 [F_]aths wrote:On August 21 2013 03:43 Yacobs wrote: Yes, taking a game and making it unilaterally worse is deserving of gratitude. In many areas, D3 is a big improvement. That does not mean that I hate D2 now. I have very fond memories of it. Many areas including Graphics and... ... .. . I can't name any other areas. What were those other areas again? I question your honesty. If you played D3 at all, you must have noticed the great improvements in the actual combat. Much more diverse, much more strategic.
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combat was clearly better in d3, compared to really any other ARPG except maybe TL2 but D3 probably a bit better. However, diversity and strategy? I'm not sure who you're trying to fool with that statement.
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On August 21 2013 03:42 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:21 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: its not sad, you just saved 40$ worth of shitty d3 content.
fuck.you.jay.wilson.you.lying.scumbag. We should thank Jay Wilson for leading a team which not just created D2 in 3D, but an actually new Diablo. I guess that many think if they overstate a lukewarm opinion to blow it big to a negative one, they would do something good to encourage a big company to work harder. But this negativity and hate is just laughable. You say, we should thank them for not creating a D2 in 3D and claim, that this is a new Diablo, while actually it quite resembles WoW in 3D. The only areas where D3 surpasses its predecessor is account management, hero control and graphics. Plus, no more skeletons blocking your way in the Maggot Lair. However, the more I think about it, I'd rather be stuck in the Maggot Lair with my handful of skeletons than meeting the flavorless monster X with its just as flavorless companions.
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I'm pretty sure I would still be playing D3 if it was a new D2. D3 has no elements of D2 that made the game interesting (like a fucking skill tree. All characters are the same. Also actual interesting uniques/runewords. I know they implemented some, but it was way too little and way too late).
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So any news yet ? It's today ?
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Randomized maps, useful boss kills and good itemization would make D3 flawless. Apart from story. But really, how many times can you play a game for its story?
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