EPT5-7-2013 Diablo's 1929 - Page 3
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 09 2013 00:48 Pokebunny wrote: In the wake of this: US players, all switch to hardcore.  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404988 dey see me capitalizin dey hatin | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:03 Eschaton wrote: Glad I've completely stopped playing softcore, game is completely ruined after this. At this point it's likely I will give up HC as well, as the abundant gold now present in SC can be traded for HC gold. Like it or not, the economies are linked and if SC is lolfucked so is HC. I really don't think it'll be that bad. No one with half a brain is going to trade away their hard earned HC gold for dirt. The ratio people are willing to trade at will increase dramatically. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:03 Eschaton wrote: Glad I've completely stopped playing softcore, game is completely ruined after this. At this point it's likely I will give up HC as well, as the abundant gold now present in SC can be traded for HC gold. Like it or not, the economies are linked and if SC is lolfucked so is HC. HC gold doesn't materialize out of thin air. In order to trade SC gold for HC gold someone needs to trade HC gold they already posses for SC gold. They just now have to pay more SC gold for the equivalent amount of HC gold. None of this duped gold is getting into HC just existing gold moving from one owner to another. | ||
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Shrubbles
Brazil29 Posts
This gold is still in my stash as I write this... What I'm afraid of is that the global inflation is even bigger than the inflation I had. I went from 50m to 500m so I had my gold multiplied by 10. I would dare saying that the overall available gold, that is now on legit players hands, has been multiplied by something between 15 and 30. What that means? I have just became 1.5 to 3 times poorer than I was (relatively speaking). I'm very much worried about the game at this point. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:50 Shrubbles wrote: I myself have some gold that came from dupers, I sold some radiant gems and got from 50m to 500m in like 30 minutes. This gold is still in my stash as I write this... What I'm afraid of is that the global inflation is even bigger than the inflation I had. I went from 50m to 500m so I had my gold multiplied by 10. I would dare saying that the overall available gold, that is now on legit players hands, has been multiplied by something between 15 and 30. What that means? I have just became 1.5 to 3 times poorer than I was (relatively speaking). I'm very much worried about the game at this point. And everyone that didn't capitalize on it at all, got 15 to 30 times poorer. GG. | ||
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Shrubbles
Brazil29 Posts
On May 09 2013 03:31 Eschaton wrote: And everyone that didn't capitalize on it at all, got 15 to 30 times poorer. GG. Yes, I just wanted to point out that even the people that did sell some gems, they may think they are rich now, but in reality they are probably poorer. I have been playing public games today (because of the xp bonu, great change) and have been encountering lots and lots and lots of god-mode barbs with almost 400k damage, with gear that was worth at least 20b till yesterday. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 09 2013 02:03 Eschaton wrote: Glad I've completely stopped playing softcore, game is completely ruined after this. At this point it's likely I will give up HC as well, as the abundant gold now present in SC can be traded for HC gold. Like it or not, the economies are linked and if SC is lolfucked so is HC. No, that's not how it works. There's still the same amount of HC gold, trading gold over doesn't change the amount of gold in the HC economy - it simply makes it change hands. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
anyways its ridiculous and the actions are faaar too light. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
blizzard can basically do whatever they want with your character, if they want to take the time and effort to clean up every piece of duped gold and every item acquired during that time period they can. and then people will be complaining about blizz being unfair and heavy-handed instead of acting too lightly. blizzard isn't just going to abandon diablo3 NA when an expansion is surely going to be coming out someday. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
there is LITERALLY no excuse for this mistake. EG today on a financial system we were doing an analysis on a 8 digit double floating point number to figure out is the error in its innacuracy would be significant in the figures we care about. Its really basic baby stuff. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
On May 09 2013 03:55 Pokebunny wrote: No, that's not how it works. There's still the same amount of HC gold, trading gold over doesn't change the amount of gold in the HC economy - it simply makes it change hands. this is not true Real Money is simply an intermediary currency such as bit coins might be. The fact is people fund real money transactions through SC abuse (ie for free) which are then passed in HC transactions for the intermediary currency. the reason why it isd a concern is that people without real money to spend all of a sudden do have due to duping. It wont bea major deal but some of the money in HC will now be dirty money. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:22 MrTortoise wrote: this is not true Real Money is simply an intermediary currency such as bit coins might be. The fact is people fund real money transactions through SC abuse (ie for free) which are then passed in HC transactions for the intermediary currency. the reason why it isd a concern is that people without real money to spend all of a sudden do have due to duping. It wont bea major deal but some of the money in HC will now be dirty money. Zero dirty money enters the HC economy. Some dirty players will buy up HC gold, but that in itself doesn't create HC gold. Someone in HC has to trade HC gold created without the duping for the dirty SC money. So no the HC economy is not changed. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 09 2013 06:22 MrTortoise wrote: this is not true Real Money is simply an intermediary currency such as bit coins might be. The fact is people fund real money transactions through SC abuse (ie for free) which are then passed in HC transactions for the intermediary currency. the reason why it isd a concern is that people without real money to spend all of a sudden do have due to duping. It wont bea major deal but some of the money in HC will now be dirty money. Except there's still a finite amount of HC gold that can be obtained, and that amount does not change even if gold is duped on softcore. It's not like people with softcore gold can use their softcore gold to create hardcore gold, it still has to be given to them by someone with legitimate hardcore gold. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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el_dawg
United States164 Posts
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On May 09 2013 08:06 el_dawg wrote: I think what he is getting at is that the best way to accumulate HC gold will be to have duped/laundered trillions of SC gold then trade at whatever ratio you can get. The people with the most HC gold/gear will be those who exploited on SC. The thing is you have to go out of your way to trade SC gold to HC gold. Most people who are willing to do that will know that the value of SC gold took a nose dive. There'll be a few people that grab more HC gold than others but in the bigger picture it's not like trillions of gold will be injected into the HC market. If the SC economy gets destroyed from this people who want to trade SC for HC gold will be doing it at a different ratio. Ex. prior to 1.08 it was 4 to 1, SC to HC After the SC economy gets wrecked people will have to pay 30 (made up #) to 1 SC to HC. Some people may be able to cash in and get ahead but honestly, they'll buy their crazy items and then the economy will go back to being stable because there isn't a massive jump in the gold available. Worst case scenario is the HC gold gets shifted around temporarily. TL;DR last paragraph is most important. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On May 09 2013 08:24 Parametric wrote: The thing is you have to go out of your way to trade SC gold to HC gold. Most people who are willing to do that will know that the value of SC gold took a nose dive. There'll be a few people that grab more HC gold than others but in the bigger picture it's not like trillions of gold will be injected into the HC market. If the SC economy gets destroyed from this people who want to trade SC for HC gold will be doing it at a different ratio. Ex. prior to 1.08 it was 4 to 1, SC to HC After the SC economy gets wrecked people will have to pay 30 (made up #) to 1 SC to HC. Some people may be able to cash in and get ahead but honestly, they'll buy their crazy items and then the economy will go back to being stable because there isn't a massive jump in the gold available. Worst case scenario is the HC gold gets shifted around temporarily. TL;DR last paragraph is most important. I wrote that first post after waking up this morning and seeing the "meh, you fucks that still play our game can sort yourselves, we aren't doing anything" blue post, and probably overreacted a bit in saying that the HC economy would also be ruined. However, el_dawg pretty much nailed what I am actually concerned about. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that 90% of HC players know that jsp is the place to trade items/gold, and so it's not necessarily as "out of the way" as you say. Someone with a trilliion SC gold might be able to hoover up a large amount of the available HC gold and items by trading, but I think they won't for the following reason: HC players will want SC gold even less than they used to, as it is now completely and utterly useless, and no one will be willing to trade. I am sure some big trades will happen, but it probably won't have a very noticeable effect on the overall HC economy. After thinking about this a bit more, I now think that even if I was not entirely incorrect in stating that the HC and SC economies are linked, they now will be completely unlinked. The link depends on HC players desiring SC gold, and as stated above, this will no longer be true. It used to be viable to get some HC gold, trade it for a large amount of SC, and sell that on RMAH; this will never happen again. It's possible this is actually good for HC, as it will bring in new blood and sever the link to SC. | ||
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