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PuppyPrime
Profile Joined April 2013
27 Posts
April 14 2013 14:52 GMT
#41
Started to continue my Level30 hc barb I started last year. I'm level40 now and playing on MP4 Nightmare. It feels like I choose the wrong class. I play barb on softcore and have every class on 60 except a Monk. :o
Is there a spell like WotB that makes you CC immune? How to avoid killed while in CC/Walled in, except that -75% damage passive?
I think I will probably die in the future with a unlucky CC combo. :x
BoondockSnake
Profile Joined April 2012
United States30 Posts
April 14 2013 15:28 GMT
#42
Dude, this is awesome. Thanks for putting this together. Played through normal difficulty softcore when the game came out, got bored after that...friends stopped playing. Later, made a HC demon hunter for myself thinking, "You know, I'll just see how far I can make it..." Eventually stopped. Months to a year later, an old friend who I originally didn't play with asks me if I want to start playing. I convince him to do hardcore. We have a lot of fun with it, good times and bad (RIP wizard/dh), stop playing around December-ish. Starting to get back in now.

As you can probably tell, I haven't actually played THAT much Diablo, and I don't watch streamers and the like. I don't really know the most efficient ways of doing things, so this guide is a nice help. Always fun reading about HC stuff, too. Thanks again.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 14 2013 19:01 GMT
#43
@PuppyPrime - why not use WotB? Most people keep it on their bar and only use it during emergencies.

@BoondockSnake - glad you liked it!! :D
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
April 22 2013 21:16 GMT
#44
what sort of benchmarks should i try to hit as WD for progressin through inferno?

currently plevel 2, around 400~ ares, 2800 armor, 35k hp, and about 30k dps
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 23 2013 20:20 GMT
#45
On April 23 2013 06:16 rauk wrote:
what sort of benchmarks should i try to hit as WD for progressin through inferno?

currently plevel 2, around 400~ ares, 2800 armor, 35k hp, and about 30k dps

Health seems insanely low. Allres pretty low too. You can probably get by with it, but in the long run you'll likely eventually die. Your dps is fine for your gear level.
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
April 23 2013 23:18 GMT
#46
how much hp/ares do i need then? i've been farming mp1 a1 okay right now, with a few close calls where i wasn't paying enough attention

current gear looks like this http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/raukolith-1578/hero/32874116
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 01:00:19
April 24 2013 00:58 GMT
#47
On April 24 2013 08:18 rauk wrote:
how much hp/ares do i need then? i've been farming mp1 a1 okay right now, with a few close calls where i wasn't paying enough attention

current gear looks like this http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/raukolith-1578/hero/32874116



this is my hc wd:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/26614679

spent only 28 hours on him (this is with playing through everything by myself, no power leveling!) and almost no gold since this is my first serious hc char. can easily farm act3 inferno if i play cautiously. you should really up your hp and res, the armor could be higher as well. dps isnt the issue for wds on mp0.... I'm quite satisfied with my killspeed despite the laughable 15k dps. also keep in mind that there is always a tradeoff between high dps at the cost of survivability versus a quicker, but more risky playstyle.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11693 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 05:41:30
April 24 2013 05:39 GMT
#48
I'd like a bit of advice.

Firstly, this is my character: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Simberto-2209/hero/26788948
I have been farming a bit of Keeps 2, now on MP1. However, the whole thing is not really working that great. Basically the only money i make is from Tomes which, as i today noticed, are worth quite a lot. Is there something that would be better to farm? Basically, i feel like i am not finding anything because i barely have any MF due to only being PL 5, and apparently these keep runs are pretty dependent on that.

Which of my items would you suggest i upgrade next?

Different topic, which areas are the most dangerous when progressing from here on? I have a softcore monk and a bit of money there which i could probably use to test stuff out, but some knowledge about which areas i need to test beforehand, and how much i should farm before trying to kill Azmodan/ doing act 4 would be nice to know. This is my very first Hardcore character, i am very happy that i managed to reach level 60 (Though i pussied out and just farmed stuff in A2 hell to 60 before doing Belial).

So some information from more experienced hardcore players would be nice.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 07:18:06
April 24 2013 07:17 GMT
#49
On April 24 2013 14:39 Simberto wrote:
I'd like a bit of advice.

Firstly, this is my character: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Simberto-2209/hero/26788948
I have been farming a bit of Keeps 2, now on MP1. However, the whole thing is not really working that great. Basically the only money i make is from Tomes which, as i today noticed, are worth quite a lot. Is there something that would be better to farm? Basically, i feel like i am not finding anything because i barely have any MF due to only being PL 5, and apparently these keep runs are pretty dependent on that.

Which of my items would you suggest i upgrade next?

Different topic, which areas are the most dangerous when progressing from here on? I have a softcore monk and a bit of money there which i could probably use to test stuff out, but some knowledge about which areas i need to test beforehand, and how much i should farm before trying to kill Azmodan/ doing act 4 would be nice to know. This is my very first Hardcore character, i am very happy that i managed to reach level 60 (Though i pussied out and just farmed stuff in A2 hell to 60 before doing Belial).

So some information from more experienced hardcore players would be nice.

keep depth runs are only good on high mps, say mp7+, and with high mf. basically, they are a softcore farming technique and not suitable for starting out in hc. not at all. just do keep depths + stonefort + skycrown runs....
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 24 2013 11:14 GMT
#50
On April 24 2013 08:18 rauk wrote:
how much hp/ares do i need then? i've been farming mp1 a1 okay right now, with a few close calls where i wasn't paying enough attention

current gear looks like this http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/raukolith-1578/hero/32874116

My WD has 700 AR 3200 armor 60k hp and I feel that is about solid/safe for mp1-2 (I'd go up to 4 in a good group).
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 11:24:10
April 24 2013 11:16 GMT
#51
On April 24 2013 14:39 Simberto wrote:
I'd like a bit of advice.

Firstly, this is my character: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Simberto-2209/hero/26788948
I have been farming a bit of Keeps 2, now on MP1. However, the whole thing is not really working that great. Basically the only money i make is from Tomes which, as i today noticed, are worth quite a lot. Is there something that would be better to farm? Basically, i feel like i am not finding anything because i barely have any MF due to only being PL 5, and apparently these keep runs are pretty dependent on that.

Which of my items would you suggest i upgrade next?

Different topic, which areas are the most dangerous when progressing from here on? I have a softcore monk and a bit of money there which i could probably use to test stuff out, but some knowledge about which areas i need to test beforehand, and how much i should farm before trying to kill Azmodan/ doing act 4 would be nice to know. This is my very first Hardcore character, i am very happy that i managed to reach level 60 (Though i pussied out and just farmed stuff in A2 hell to 60 before doing Belial).

So some information from more experienced hardcore players would be nice.

I just clear the good areas of A3 in order. Skycrown, kd2, rakkis backwards + fields, td1, crater2, core. Most hardcore players run some variant of this.

I know nothing about the eu market but you should be able to upgrade anything for under 500k. Your allres is plenty high, as long as you're above 700 you're fine, but maybe look to up your hp a bit. Use d3up to calculate ehp before buying stuff. Get rid of the LS on your weapon and change to one with LoH + CD or socket, you should run with about 800-1000 loh total. Gloves can easily get you more dps. Pants, bracers, shield, shoulders look like your best pieces for now but pretty much everything else should be easy to improve.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11693 Posts
April 24 2013 15:43 GMT
#52
Thanks a lot. I guess that involves also killing Elites and Bosses?
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 24 2013 16:17 GMT
#53
absolutely, elite skipping runs are pretty awful below mp8+
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 22:26:38
April 24 2013 17:43 GMT
#54
On April 25 2013 01:17 Pokebunny wrote:
absolutely, elite skipping runs are pretty awful below mp8+

and even then its not really worth it (from an item find point of view) unless your char has a high enough para level. if you have 0 mf, the 75% mf provided by the 5 NV stacks make quite the difference. if you already have 200 base mf from paragon, additional 75% on top of that will not be worth spending several minutes on killing a few elite packs..
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Grendel
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium126 Posts
April 24 2013 21:39 GMT
#55
You said there was little originality left for Witch Doktors, but going to try anyway: What about this?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/iClipse-2401/hero/26888783

Basically, a Life Regen build to make pets extremely tanky. Only reached lvl 60 today, so it's obviously still a build in progress. I tried something similar on my Monk and it worked pretty well there. Had very low hp (22k and about 2k allres with One with Everything) and then 2k+ life regen which made it so that I basically never died.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 24 2013 22:04 GMT
#56
On April 25 2013 06:39 Grendel wrote:
You said there was little originality left for Witch Doktors, but going to try anyway: What about this?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/iClipse-2401/hero/26888783

Basically, a Life Regen build to make pets extremely tanky. Only reached lvl 60 today, so it's obviously still a build in progress. I tried something similar on my Monk and it worked pretty well there. Had very low hp (22k and about 2k allres with One with Everything) and then 2k+ life regen which made it so that I basically never died.

2k regen?!?! O_o

I mean, it's probably okay for surviving, but as far as actually killing anything quickly, it might struggle. =o
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Grendel
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium126 Posts
April 24 2013 22:18 GMT
#57
Yeah, most things did tend to die fairly slowly, haha :D Though, I did manage to get around 30k dps, which isn't THAT bad for a tanky build.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
April 24 2013 22:28 GMT
#58
On April 25 2013 06:39 Grendel wrote:
You said there was little originality left for Witch Doktors, but going to try anyway: What about this?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/iClipse-2401/hero/26888783

Basically, a Life Regen build to make pets extremely tanky. Only reached lvl 60 today, so it's obviously still a build in progress. I tried something similar on my Monk and it worked pretty well there. Had very low hp (22k and about 2k allres with One with Everything) and then 2k+ life regen which made it so that I basically never died.



but will immortal pets save you from aoe effects like arcane or poison? say waller jailer poison arcane enchanted....
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
April 25 2013 01:30 GMT
#59
How do you decide whether to gem vitality or main stat, and is ruby > extra health in helm?
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
April 25 2013 01:50 GMT
#60
people still play this game? Roflman

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