EPTAlso, do you lose your gold when your HC character dies? How does the 'gold/stash/crafting across all characters' work in HC?
Hardcore - a guide & why you should play it - Page 3
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Razith
Canada431 Posts
Also, do you lose your gold when your HC character dies? How does the 'gold/stash/crafting across all characters' work in HC? | ||
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Finskie
Sweden412 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:24 Razith wrote: Does Blizzard already have a safeguard built in for HC characters for when their servers crash / you disconnect? Also, do you lose your gold when your HC character dies? How does the 'gold/stash/crafting across all characters' work in HC? There is no safeguard. If you die, you die no matter what reasons for it.  Gold/Stash/Crafting is kept the same way as it is for softcore. | ||
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Razith
Canada431 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:28 Finskie wrote: There is no safeguard. If you die, you die no matter what reasons for it. Gold/Stash/Crafting is kept the same way as it is for softcore. So its just among your HC characters instead of your SC ones? So you only lose what you were wearing, but the gold/crafting/stash for your HC remains? Until today I thought there was only 1 system and the only difference for HC was that if you died, you lost all your gear, but were still participating with the SC's. Maybe HC is where I belong. Overall it sounds way more appealing, its just the lag part that is holding me back tbh (like the lag spikes yesterday that killed me and my brother 3 times). | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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tomatriedes
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Finskie
Sweden412 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:34 Razith wrote: So its just among your HC characters instead of your SC ones? So you only lose what you were wearing, but the gold/crafting/stash for your HC remains? Exactly! | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
It's seriously seriously not, you have a massive stash of backup gear, legacy gear, gems, extra potions, everything you could need to seriously twink out a noob. I once bought a legendary axe with a socket off the AH for only 20k, and that axe has gotten like 5 hero's from 22 to 30 or so, and then back to the stash it goes to help another noob make that little stretch of time go much nicer xD. Oh also, I think my favorite thing about HC is when the moment you think "oh ya, I got this" is when you should be the most worried, and you pay so much more attention to the map looking for good corners/stairs/doors/escape routes, along with that silly rush (it's a little different than the Starcraft holyshitimwinningomgomg rush) that comes from running through a door, and then seeing 8 things light up in green glory, instantly hit ignore pain, leap AND charge back to the waypoint, zone out, leave game, and go outside for a few seconds to stop shaking xD | ||
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Tobberoth
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Dizmaul
United States831 Posts
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vasculaR
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FortuneSyn
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Here is my WD build I used to get to act 1 inferno based on spirit barrage, 100% solo. + Show Spoiler + http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#gSUdeX!fZX!accZZb Skills Spirit Barrage - mana rune Locust Swarm - 468% dmg rune Spirit Walk - 7% life rune Soul Harvest - life rune Haunt - 288% 2 second rune Horrify - 24 radius rune Passives Rush of Essence (mana return from spirit spells) Jungle Fortitude (20% DR) Blood Ritual (life regen) Reasoning: Spirit Barrage and 2 second Haunt will be your single target dps. Locust Swarm will be your aoe. Spirit Walk, Soul Harvest, and Horrify are your 3 escape spells. You'll have an escape spell available roughly every 5 seconds. Rush of Essence + mana rune on Spirit Barrage = you can spam Spirit Barrage and Horrify with a little help in mana regen gear (i have 7 mana regen on my 1 hander). If you have trouble with mana regen, put the mana rune on Locust Swarm. Spirit Barrage + Rush of Essence vs Poison Dart + Pierce the Veil Going the Poison Dart way gives you more "dps", but Poison Dart has 3 problems; it roots you in place a little longer than Spirit Barrage, you can't shoot over mobs (very important when targeting invulnerable minion elites), and Poison Dart misses more than Spirit Barrage (Spirit Barrage acts kind of like a homing missile). Dropping Rush of Essence means you can't spam Haunt. Gear Upgrade Investing in mana regen gear will go a long way. You can substitute Locust Swarm for a more direct and spammable aoe like Acid Cloud. You can switch Rush of Essence as well when you have enough regen. | ||
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appe
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crajittok
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
 I will never understand why people play hardcore. Also, it isnt the fault of the average softcore player that the AH is ruined, its the fault of the chinese botters who were absolutely not intended or wanted in this game by anyone. Skipping content is the fault of the game developers; if I can just run past something and I'm not forced to beat it, how is that my fault? By doing that, I am assuming that it was intended for that to be possible, which is basically playing the game as it is intended at the end of the day. If it isnt intended, then they should fix it. Quoted from the OP: "You will die so you better just come to terms with it. Dying can be funny, dying can be sad and dying can make you angry. Angry at the game, at yourself or at your class. 60% of hardcore characters die in Act 1 according to Blizzard, so you just gotta man up and deal with it - death is a big part of the game. Death matters, death has a consequence." - The last thing i want is to be frustrated with the game that I play. How is being depressed and angry part of the enjoyment of the game? That sounds like a game that should come with a perscription. - Death matters? After the next patch, death will matter a great deal to anyone that doesnt have infinite gold (the botters). Repair costs are going to sky rocket. Also, are you implying that softcore players dont care if they die or not? I sure do; why would I want to run back to where I was, and fight that elite pack whos HP has been restored? Why would I want to start a boss fight over again? I dont. Therefore, I dont want to, and I try not to, die in the game. Quoted from OP: "Most people roll with 3-4 defensive abilities and one good single target dps ability/generator and an aoe ability/spender. You don't really need more to kill bosses or trash mobs. You will kill slower then in softcore, alot slower but you will also have alot more survival and "oh shit" escape buttons." - Most people have 3-4 defensive abilities in softcore inferno too. My wizard has been getting 2 shot in inferno. If I want to continue to play in that difficulty, I am going to have to change most of my gear and probably a couple abilities. My monk is starting to take massive damage at lvl 53 in Hell mode. Guess I am going to HAVE to get better gear from the AH, or suffer. This stuff still matters in softcore. Quoted from the OP: "To anyone thinking Diablo 3 is stale and boring right now in softcore, i urge you to try hardcore. It is so much more rewarding to get gear and when you pull something off. The game makes a lot more sense and has a lot more meaning on hardcore, give it a shot." - While the feeling of 'meaning' is completely subjective to the person, in general you are right. However, what are the chances of someone, who isnt a 6-10 hour a day game grinder (the people that actually have a full time job and their free time means a lot to them) making a brand new character after they have spent weeks on their previous HC character that died? None. No chance in hell (lol) am I going to "deal with" losing something I spent hundreds of hours on. - To those who are bored of D3 softcore (almost everyone unfortunately), sure try hardcore. If you were on the egde of quitting the game anyway, I dont see a reason not to try it. But, after you die and lose your character, you will never want to play the game again. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
On June 12 2012 03:09 ishyishy wrote: Dying in hardcore is the same thing as being hacked, and no one likes being hacked I will never understand why people play hardcore. Also, it isnt the fault of the average softcore player that the AH is ruined, its the fault of the chinese botters who were absolutely not intended or wanted in this game by anyone. Skipping content is the fault of the game developers; if I can just run past something and I'm not forced to beat it, how is that my fault? By doing that, I am assuming that it was intended for that to be possible, which is basically playing the game as it is intended at the end of the day. If it isnt intended, then they should fix it. Quoted from the OP: "You will die so you better just come to terms with it. Dying can be funny, dying can be sad and dying can make you angry. Angry at the game, at yourself or at your class. 60% of hardcore characters die in Act 1 according to Blizzard, so you just gotta man up and deal with it - death is a big part of the game. Death matters, death has a consequence." - The last thing i want is to be frustrated with the game that I play. How is being depressed and angry part of the enjoyment of the game? That sounds like a game that should come with a perscription. - Death matters? After the next patch, death will matter a great deal to anyone that doesnt have infinite gold (the botters). Repair costs are going to sky rocket. Also, are you implying that softcore players dont care if they die or not? I sure do; why would I want to run back to where I was, and fight that elite pack whos HP has been restored? Why would I want to start a boss fight over again? I dont. Therefore, I dont want to, and I try not to, die in the game. Quoted from OP: "Most people roll with 3-4 defensive abilities and one good single target dps ability/generator and an aoe ability/spender. You don't really need more to kill bosses or trash mobs. You will kill slower then in softcore, alot slower but you will also have alot more survival and "oh shit" escape buttons." - Most people have 3-4 defensive abilities in softcore inferno too. My wizard has been getting 2 shot in inferno. If I want to continue to play in that difficulty, I am going to have to change most of my gear and probably a couple abilities. My monk is starting to take massive damage at lvl 53 in Hell mode. Guess I am going to HAVE to get better gear from the AH, or suffer. This stuff still matters in softcore. Quoted from the OP: "To anyone thinking Diablo 3 is stale and boring right now in softcore, i urge you to try hardcore. It is so much more rewarding to get gear and when you pull something off. The game makes a lot more sense and has a lot more meaning on hardcore, give it a shot." - While the feeling of 'meaning' is completely subjective to the person, in general you are right. However, what are the chances of someone, who isnt a 6-10 hour a day game grinder (the people that actually have a full time job and their free time means a lot to them) making a brand new character after they have spent weeks on their previous HC character that died? None. No chance in hell (lol) am I going to "deal with" losing something I spent hundreds of hours on. - To those who are bored of D3 softcore (almost everyone unfortunately), sure try hardcore. If you were on the egde of quitting the game anyway, I dont see a reason not to try it. But, after you die and lose your character, you will never want to play the game again. I've lost 6 monks, all over lvl 25 (one pretty close to 40 with some sick good gear I found, another 20 minutes after blowing 100k on the AH for a weapon for her) 2 to 100% my fault, 2 to computer crashing in a bad spot, and 2 to DC/me being stupid/lag. And seriously dude? "Dying in hardcore is the same thing as being hacked, and no one likes being hacked "???????If I die on HC, I will lose the gear and whatever is in my inventory. My entire stash is filled to the brim with really good low lvl gear to lvl, all the gems any of my characters have found, all KINDS of stuff that make normal mode ezpz to blow through. I think you have some seriously misunderstandings about hardcore. Hell, I even laughed after one of the comp crash deaths cause I KNEW I WAS GONNA CRASH. My computer acts up a bit, but I was just too cocky thinking I could finish killing the stuff on my screen, and even if I didn't I thought I was badass enough to not die in the 10s it takes to log out. It was pretty awesome. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
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sparC
Germany162 Posts
On June 12 2012 03:09 ishyishy wrote: - To those who are bored of D3 softcore (almost everyone unfortunately), sure try hardcore. If you were on the egde of quitting the game anyway, I dont see a reason not to try it. But, after you die and lose your character, you will never want to play the game again. well, not that my case means that much, but softcore was getting boring, so i tried hardcore. i always wanted to play hardcore, until i saw inferno on softcore, it looked grim if i thought about how tough inferno would be on hardcore, but when i realized what an impact the gear had i was willing to try it. best descision ever (in diablo3) the game is insanely more fun, i got to inferno, geared my barb up, was ready for act II and then.. bam .. because i was overconfident i died :D may my barb be remembered in my hall of the fallen <3 now i'm at the exact point again, with my 2nd lvl.60 character, and don't regret it  still alive! | ||
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Xinder
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Deleted User 47542
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I think beating hell would be fun, but the grind for inferno is a bit meh T_T | ||
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