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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#201
so i just died on hardcore and im getting power leveled, im lvl 13 and ive killed diablo. what level do i need for nightmare? i know its lower than 30 but i want to know how long before nightmare ZK runs can start ;p
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#202
Nightmare requirement is lvl 25.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#203
ty
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
June 17 2012 14:58 GMT
#204
On June 17 2012 04:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
Just reached 60 and Inferno Act 1 as a Monk.
Impossible to get any further.


Act 1 inferno is pretty easy to do, just go for alot of dps and use serenity to survive.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
shublar
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Korea (South)264 Posts
June 17 2012 15:00 GMT
#205
I like this post! but it's not /entirely/ true as in Australia lagspike = instadeath.
@eugmak - www.twitch.tv/shublar - www.ausproleague.com
SYGY
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada88 Posts
June 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#206
Hey, this thread actually inspired me to play HardCore! I'm looking for 3 people what want to play daily in HC, right now im level 7 wizard. (they need to be experienced) I'll probably be streaming as well. I wanna make a team.
sc:WOL [Masters] sc:BW [Unranked]
Xaoz
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany146 Posts
June 17 2012 17:27 GMT
#207
Monk Act II Inferno. Usually farming Act I Skeleton King. Xaoz#2422
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
June 17 2012 20:16 GMT
#208
On June 17 2012 18:52 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:10 dmfg wrote:
On June 17 2012 01:37 sylverfyre wrote:
Kinda surprised the recommended wiz build doesn't find room for Illusionist passive - especially since you're running both mirror image and teleport.

Just started my first HC character, level 15 now.


I'm not all that convinced that build is "popular". Personally I'm running the Hydra/Blizz build as it says, but with Diamond Skin + Frost Nova for defensives, and Evoc and Blur instead of the offensive passives.

Diamond Skin is a must have IMO if for no other reason that you can use it while stunned/knockbacked/etc. It's huge, and evocation makes it even more huge. I'm not really convinced by Frost Nova (though I see people using it to good effect) - might try out some alternatives.

I still highly highly recommend both Blur and Evoc. The fact is that you will not be able to kite everything - wait til you see your first NM and above pack of elite Demonic Tremors, watch how they run across an entire screen in less than a second while completely ignoring your Blizzard snare, and you will realise that kiting simply is not an option sometimes.

It will also give you many more options vs things like Mortar when you can simply tank them in melee.


Ofcourse there are variations of builds. The teleport + wormhole is simply to escape unkillable boss packs afaik. And also mirror images breaks roots and gives the mobs something to hit while you shoot them since even with diamond skin you cannot really tank boss packs in inferno. Other then this i dont see which passives you'd give up, blur is moot since even with it everything three shots you anyway and melee shouldn't hit you to begin with since you have an aoe snare.

So when things aren't kiteable, you simply gtfo with wormhole. You can't kill everything you know.


Still not convinced a tanky wizard can ever get 3 shot in inferno since you have the same HP as other classes, with armour above monk but below barb and resists above barb and below monk. Blur then puts you halfway to the damage reduction of a monk/barb, with some kiting to help out.

I'd drop Cold Blooded since 20% more damage on just Blizzard isn't worth dropping survivability for, and again Arcane dynamo is a pure DPS passive that I don't think I'd feel safe dropping Evoc/Blur for.

I'm only in A3 NM right now but I can tank everything. Would be good to hear from someone with a wizard in inferno to see how it scales later.
coopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States144 Posts
June 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#209
anyone able to hook me up with the belial & azmodan waypoints in hell HC US ? Coopes#1982 is btag, thanks
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
June 17 2012 20:31 GMT
#210
On June 18 2012 05:16 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:52 unkkz wrote:
On June 17 2012 04:10 dmfg wrote:
On June 17 2012 01:37 sylverfyre wrote:
Kinda surprised the recommended wiz build doesn't find room for Illusionist passive - especially since you're running both mirror image and teleport.

Just started my first HC character, level 15 now.


I'm not all that convinced that build is "popular". Personally I'm running the Hydra/Blizz build as it says, but with Diamond Skin + Frost Nova for defensives, and Evoc and Blur instead of the offensive passives.

Diamond Skin is a must have IMO if for no other reason that you can use it while stunned/knockbacked/etc. It's huge, and evocation makes it even more huge. I'm not really convinced by Frost Nova (though I see people using it to good effect) - might try out some alternatives.

I still highly highly recommend both Blur and Evoc. The fact is that you will not be able to kite everything - wait til you see your first NM and above pack of elite Demonic Tremors, watch how they run across an entire screen in less than a second while completely ignoring your Blizzard snare, and you will realise that kiting simply is not an option sometimes.

It will also give you many more options vs things like Mortar when you can simply tank them in melee.


Ofcourse there are variations of builds. The teleport + wormhole is simply to escape unkillable boss packs afaik. And also mirror images breaks roots and gives the mobs something to hit while you shoot them since even with diamond skin you cannot really tank boss packs in inferno. Other then this i dont see which passives you'd give up, blur is moot since even with it everything three shots you anyway and melee shouldn't hit you to begin with since you have an aoe snare.

So when things aren't kiteable, you simply gtfo with wormhole. You can't kill everything you know.


Still not convinced a tanky wizard can ever get 3 shot in inferno since you have the same HP as other classes, with armour above monk but below barb and resists above barb and below monk. Blur then puts you halfway to the damage reduction of a monk/barb, with some kiting to help out.

I'd drop Cold Blooded since 20% more damage on just Blizzard isn't worth dropping survivability for, and again Arcane dynamo is a pure DPS passive that I don't think I'd feel safe dropping Evoc/Blur for.

I'm only in A3 NM right now but I can tank everything. Would be good to hear from someone with a wizard in inferno to see how it scales later.

Wizard doesn't have the passive damage reduction of Monk/Barb, and not even Blur makes up for that.

But a maxresist wizard using prismatic isn't getting 3shot by the vast majority of enemies, this is true.
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
June 17 2012 22:46 GMT
#211
Be warned in act 1 hell and inferno... and maybe even nightmare mode... if you do the ancient hero skeletons event in the woods. Those aren't normal skeletons - they are absolute badasses and have the life pool of what feels like an act 3 champion.
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
June 17 2012 22:50 GMT
#212
good post but no. fuck hardcore. dont wanna deal with retarded champions and random lag spikes.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
June 17 2012 23:10 GMT
#213
Hardcore is for real. Every damage you take gives you a small adrenaline rush.

When I die I think I'll cry though.
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
June 17 2012 23:50 GMT
#214
Already have 7 dead heroes in my GY!
3 wizards, 3 dh, 1 barb
2 in hell A1, 4 in nightmare, 1 in normal (melee wizard ftl)

Might have to clear whole stash, getting annoying to sort through what i saved up each time I gain a few levels.
Driven by hate, fueled by rage
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
June 18 2012 04:27 GMT
#215
When you kill the butcher, don't celebrate yet! Stay off the fire as it can still kill you!

I fist pumped when I beat hell butcher (Level 53 barbarian, 22k HP, 2700 DPS, 4000 armor) and suddenly went "oh shit!" when my I noticed my life at 50%. Heheh, that was a close call!
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
-Yellow-
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada23 Posts
June 18 2012 05:06 GMT
#216
Level 23 Monk here who just started hardcore mode and I am looking for other players to play with in a party. I also stream it. I'm Light.1990 on the Europe server. Add me if interested.
My overlords will block out the sun!
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
June 18 2012 08:40 GMT
#217
A2 Nightmare, disconnect in the desert right after 5 cultists popped out of the sand. Diablo shut down, relogged, R.I.P. my beloved lvl 39 DH :-//

There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 18 2012 09:44 GMT
#218
to attached to my characters to play something with perma death. I would probably fear death so much, that i would abuse the spots that almost every map has where the monster pathing ai fails and they bug out and you can kill them while they do nothing ...

Not that its a problem to have all the fun normally too, as you don't have to cheat and abuse around. Wonder though why Inferno is stupid difficult, i find it funny except the life leech debuff, otherwise without it it would be to easy and that i have to runaway from 15% of the elites, as they could kill me.

Playing a dh though, a class that can keep the enemy out of their skill range. Have only played wizard too so far, which is also easy, so no experience with other classes really on inferno.

But atleast on hardcore the nephalem buff goes away if you die ;P . Found that out on act 2 inferno ... made me really depressed as i thought it would be a challenge to keep the nephalem buff. Noting that switching your skills can't fix though.

Anyway gl hf to every hardcore player, that doesn't skip parts or uses the ah, you are impressive ^.^ and may your internet never fail you near enemies.
SCPhineas
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands119 Posts
June 18 2012 10:47 GMT
#219
With the recommended build why use infuse light on BoH? It doesn't seem you have a lot to spend spirit on (except for mantraspamming). Of course you'd always need enough spirit to be able to BF and serenity.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 14:38:29
June 18 2012 14:36 GMT
#220
Okay so I was walking around the oasis in act 2 and I notice a few elite copper fangs coming towards me, so I start to run around kite them. the one teleports next to me. I see the port animation and I vault out, and continue to stutter step. Suddenly I'm dead, because the teleporting copperfang hit me even before the teleporting was complete, though I was out of range?

On my softcore character I've been killed my the bee stings when they were 5 cm away from me, and then I've also been killed by monsters more than ten yards away after I've left the place. This type of stuff really annoys me , makes playing hardcore totally not fun, apparently it happens to people with even less than 100 lag, so it isnt my connection. I mean, it isnt rocket science to get your basic collision detection right.

How do you guys deal with these type of things? I didnt notice this before today, the hc char was on nm, I was not playing seriously anyway so yeah. But the sc one was in inferno, and just when the game gets really interesting (thinking about gea/build etc, precise control) this type of stuff totally ruins it, and makes me not want to go hc.
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