Balance disussion (Inferno) - Page 12

On May 23 2012 18:18 zeru wrote:

When did they do that? I solo money farmed act 2 inferno before work, several hours ago, with force armor working perfectly fine.

On May 23 2012 18:19 superstartran wrote:
Hotfix makes it so only one class can solo Inferno now reliably and effectively. Pretty funny that instead of fixing the classes that are awful in Inferno, they nerf the only viable builds/classes.

On May 23 2012 18:20 GwSC wrote:


Which class is that?

On May 23 2012 18:20 Tobberoth wrote:

Demon hunter, obviously.

On May 23 2012 18:20 GwSC wrote:


Which class is that?

On May 23 2012 18:23 GwSC wrote:


Oh, I thought everyone was saying it is impossible now that smokescreen is nerfed.

On May 23 2012 18:36 Kickboxer wrote:
This thread baffles me to no end. First of all, noone has "beaten" inferno. People abuse and exploit their way to the bosses and abuse their way past them. That's like drugging a woman and then bragging you had sex.

Second, why would anyone be supposed to beat or farm inferno right now? The game is ten days old. A few days ago everyone was raging that the game was too easy now everyone is raging that inferno elites are too hard. Idiocy at its best.

Third, the top percentile of insanely "hardcore" gamers normally aren't too mechanically skilled or inventive. In WoW nine out of ten grand marshals couldn't cut it to a pathetic 2.2k rating in arena when it came out. The mechanics of diablo are piss easy but you still need to be smart and fast, maybe you should try playing better. I've been breezing through act 1&2 inferno with my wizard without even looking at the exploit armor specc. Exploits don't win you the game they just make you bad.

If the entire world is stuck farming act 1 inferno two weeks post release the game is exactly where it needs to be.

Apart from combinations of affixes that one-shot you each time the only legitimate concerns I see are broken builds, easy bosses and the entire gear debacle.

On May 23 2012 18:23 superstartran wrote:



DH is the only class now that has any remote chance of soloing hell effectively. Wizard is garbage without FA, a skill that wasn't even broken to begin with unlike Boon of Protection/Smoke.




No, it just means that you just actually need gear to kill things past Act 2.

On May 23 2012 18:51 Shikyo wrote:


Would love to see what kind of gear? You only have 1 smoke screen and after that's over you're oneshot 100% of the time. DH is nothing without smoke screen.

On May 23 2012 18:53 superstartran wrote:



DH can still kite, avoid, utilize smoke to escape, and dodge a ton of shit on the screen. You will die, but you will die alot less than a Monk, Barb, or Wizard, all while outputting way more DPS. As stated before, the smoke only mitigated idiotic bad design by Blizzard; you're still (DH) the best class in the game by far in the late game stages, especially when massively geared.

Anyone who says otherwise has not played Inferno; period. A Wizard is garbage without FA; FA just made them usable; A Barb is complete garbage without godly gear; Monk is garbage without Boon of Protection; WD is semi-viable at best with a ton of gear, and DH is the only class where you can actually have relatively mediocre gear and be fine.

On May 23 2012 19:14 Shikyo wrote:

I'm talking about rares, there's very few rares that have no ranged skills at all that you can kite and kill fast enough before you run into another pack of mobs while kiting. Perhaps you can kill some of act 1 rares, but act 2 rares are going to be impossible.


And no this isn't a "DH is underpowered" post, it's a "DH can't solo inferno reliably and effectively in comparison to other classes unlike what you stated" post.


And I'm at act 2 inferno right now and I have no idea how you suggest we survive without sustainable smoke screen when the maps are filled with 5000 movespeed monsters that oneshot us.

On May 23 2012 14:45 Salv wrote:


Two points to make in regards to your statement:

• Unlike D2, you can reach max level very quickly, so your potential to find the best drops are much higher, much quicker.
  
• All other classes are able to solo inferno, except the Barbarian. The best legendary items have been found and are purchasable on the auction house. There's so many people playing and selling amazing items on the auction house that people are able to gear up very quickly. The best legendary 1H has a max of ~700 DPS, and there's plenty of ~1050 dps 1H weapons on the AH you can buy. You can buy items 40% better than the rarest, perfect stat legendary items and it's still extremely difficult relative to other classes. People are in a position to judge.

On May 23 2012 19:46 rezoacken wrote:
I don't really know about other class. I use the critical mass Diamond skin spam thingy coupled with teleport... it allows me to teleport somewhat like in D2 rushing for the exit. I did act 3 inferno in around 2hours using this abuse.

Right now I just want to kill inferno and be done with it... I'm sooooo disapointed by this difficulty, it's absolutly not fun to me. I either abuse or boringly kite/spam abilities out of the screen. That's just poor design. I had a blast playing nightmare and hell and inferno act 1 but act 2 and 3 are garbage. It really feel untested and just balanced with a spreadsheet.

On May 23 2012 19:50 Caphe wrote:

Its still good that you can beat Inferno solo. While I heard Barbarian on Inferno is impossible. Blizzard failed quite hard here.

On May 23 2012 19:21 superstartran wrote:




Wizard/Monk/Barb are not outsoloing you in Inferno by any stretch of the imagination, and WD needs way more gear than you do as a DH. It's a no contest; DH wins by a landslide.


This is ESPECIALLY true after the patch. The Wizard is GARBAGE without FA; has NO ability to survive now. Barb was garbage from day 1 and everyone knew it. Monks have NO DPS and now lost their only viable build in Inferno. It's only a contest between DH and WD, and the DH can stack Dex massively for both armor/damage/evasion.