EPTThis is a terrible argument, hardcore is not the "default" mode, and asking for the game to be challenging without the honestly ridiculous mechanic of permadeath is not unreasonable.
The problem with Diablo 3 is that it is too easy - Page 10
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
This is a terrible argument, hardcore is not the "default" mode, and asking for the game to be challenging without the honestly ridiculous mechanic of permadeath is not unreasonable. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:15 Gaslo wrote: I hate people who are like "Don't complain about the game being too easy before you go to inferno, ITS HARD THEN!" The fuck do i care about the game being hard in inferno, i want it to be hard already in nightmare, harder on hell, and infernal on inferno. I have taken things easy, just farming, looking for stuff, making sure every stone is turned, and i am closing in on 40 hours played on my main. And i must say that hell and nightmare are just boring... There are some hard to impossible mobs on hell, but for the most part its just a cakewalk, if i could get to choose in a scale of 1-10 the hardness would be something like normals: 3 Nightmare 7 Hell 9 and inferno 11. At this points its more like normal 1, nightmare 2, hell 4. Just plain old boring. Oh, and boss fights, wtf? Like hell belial had zero kill potential on me, zero. I had like 3-4 second lag while fighting him, and when the lag ended i was still up and running. Blah.  Make the whole game harder, not just inferno...I had the same situation in NM. Due to really effective use of the AH, I ended up being ridiculously overgeared for nightmare. I didn't have problems with anything. I really like Hell though. The champion packs are generally really fun to take down, and require effort, whether you're doing it by yourself or with a team. Kiting, leaping away in time, trapping in time etc. A whole lot more skill and awareness required compared to Diablo 2, because both enemies and characters have way more dynamic skill sets. I have a feeling Inferno's going to be ridiculous, though, and I'm not sure I'm going to like it. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:10 yeint wrote: This is a terrible argument, hardcore is not the "default" mode, and asking for the game to be challenging without the honestly ridiculous mechanic of permadeath is not unreasonable. I disagree. If there is a more difficult mode and you're not playing on it then complaining about the difficulty, there's a fundamental issue there. Look at old sidescrollers like contra, harder difficulties just included more of the same enemies with less lives/continues. Honestly, I couldn't care less about people complaining about difficulty. If you want the game to be harder, play the hardest most challenging thing available - hardcore. It doesn't matter if hardcore isn't the default mode, it's very clearly the difficult mode and made exactly to be more difficult just for people who complain about the game being too easy. Like "damn, this easy mode isn't hard enough, but i'll keep playing the easy mode and complaining that it isn't hard enough", just doesn't make any sense to me. I'll admit, I don't think the game is perfect, but complaining about something you can change yourself seems a bit silly. | ||
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Hubble
Germany248 Posts
D3 _may_ not be super hard for everyone but in comparison with D1 and D2... yeah it is hard! | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:05 Hubble wrote: Have the people complaining about the difficulty of the game (to easy!) ever played Diablo 2? Was there a "All enemies are Duriel"-version of the game I never have played? I played all of D2 with "/players 8" and I never got any problem with anything. So what the hell...? D3 _may_ not be super hard for everyone but in comparison with D1 and D2... yeah it is hard! I found Diablo 1 to be really hard. This is of course, single player mode only. This is due to mobs not respawning, so you really are limited to your luck on gear drops. Then again, that was ages ago and I'm sure it is much easier now due to experience. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:05 Hubble wrote: Have the people complaining about the difficulty of the game (to easy!) ever played Diablo 2? Was there a "All enemies are Duriel"-version of the game I never have played? I played all of D2 with "/players 8" and I never got any problem with anything. So what the hell...? D3 _may_ not be super hard for everyone but in comparison with D1 and D2... yeah it is hard! This suddenly makes me want to play an "All enemies are Duriel" mod for Diablo 2. It seems like it could be potentially quite hilarious. | ||
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Flummie
Netherlands417 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
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Dbars
United States273 Posts
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Volrath
Sweden45 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
But the extra difficulty I would play with in D3 is when you die you lose 1 level. Like D&D, they bring you back from the dead but you lose a part of yourself as a cost. This way you cannot zerg bosses and stuff, you still need to go slow and careful but you don't need to play another 30-40h after one death to get back to where you died. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
if it's too easy for you, why don't you play hardcore ? I mean, if you have time to get to inferno, you surely have time to get to hell to be one shotted no ? On May 24 2012 06:54 Lunchador wrote: LMAOnade, no it didn't! Your gear was either good enough to let you melee as long as you can if you were a melee class and not get one shotted by lightning bolts or it wasn't. D2's depth came down to potion mashing, spamming right clicks, and cheese town portaling when all your potions were gone. Blizzard had to slap cold immunities on more than half the monsters in hell mode because frozen orb was by far the absolute biggest I-WIN button I've seen in any game at all. so that's why i couldn't finish it properly ... damnit blizzard | ||
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Napoleon53
Denmark167 Posts
Back when I was like 12 years old I completed D2 Hell with my second character (it was a lvl 64 barbarian). I completed hell with a rare pike that I found in NORMAL mode. In hell I only died a few times. I thought the game was AWESOME, and immediately created a new char to retry the experience. The D2 Lod made it even better. More cool unique items and sets, those made me spend hours running mephisto or trading in trade games. I had some of the most imba chars in battlenet, but kept playing. Ofc it was frustrating at times, that D2 rarely had any real challenge for the uber characters... But you could always decide to challence yourself by completing it LEGIT, HARDCORE or just without COOKIEcutter builds. Diablo 2 was fairly beatable. This allowed you to try out all kinds of semi viable builds. Right now in D3, pretty much only bugged builds are viable. The game is soo random in inferno. Some elite packs will just kill you no matter what. But worst of all .. I don't really feel like the end game is very funny. Hours of long boss fights and a extremely boring item system. You can’t even lvl-up in inferno. I would have loved to slay tons of packed units - like cow level, while farming for cool uniques or rare runes (even though runes were a bit too rare in d2). I'm not a big fan of D3. But the main problem with D3 IS not, that it is too easy. I think you are messing up the debat. | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:10 yeint wrote: This is a terrible argument, hardcore is not the "default" mode, and asking for the game to be challenging without the honestly ridiculous mechanic of permadeath is not unreasonable. If they have the mechanic of permadeath as an option it's quite likely to be easy if you play with the option "infite lives" instead. Diablo 2 wasn't hard either if you played softcore, that's just how diablo works, hardcore is for those who want to have to concentrate and play focused, softcore for those who wants to relax and just kill some shit. | ||
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On May 24 2012 19:34 Mysticesper wrote: I found Diablo 1 to be really hard. This is of course, single player mode only. This is due to mobs not respawning, so you really are limited to your luck on gear drops. Then again, that was ages ago and I'm sure it is much easier now due to experience. Since I personaly played D1 and D2 when I was 11 and 13 and finished both... yeah it was easier, we're just better gamers. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:21 xZiGGY wrote: I get roflstomped in act2 inferno tbh, maybe I'm just bad :\ Nah, that's true for pretty much anyone. Unless you have really good gear or kite really well as wiz/dh, act 2 is when it starts to get ridiculous. Act 1 is already ridiculous if you don't have good gear or is already using a good build for it (until I started using blizzard/hydra kiting, I didn't stand a chance vs any rare in inferno act 1). | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:49 Tobberoth wrote: Nah, that's true for pretty much anyone. Unless you have really good gear or kite really well as wiz/dh, act 2 is when it starts to get ridiculous. Act 1 is already ridiculous if you don't have good gear or is already using a good build for it (until I started using blizzard/hydra kiting, I didn't stand a chance vs any rare in inferno act 1). As a Barb Act I inferno isn't to hard. Act II is where inferno wall starts being more of a grind for gear. Which is ok. I don't mind the grind for gear to become viable into Act II. Just trying to farm the money for a couple items that will help a tremendous amount. | ||
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Monkeyballs25
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Areon
United States273 Posts
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