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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
October 23 2012 10:21 GMT
#2321
yes your sweeping wind damage will be increased for its duration if you blind before casting it

blind/faith in the light is also good for bursting down elites if you cast it with moc/overawe
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 23 2012 12:05 GMT
#2322
On October 23 2012 18:39 Razhil wrote:
Also, I've seen a lot of build with Blinding Flash with the improved dps rune, is that because if you throw BF before SW, SW keep the bonus "forever" ?

Thanks in advance guys !


Yep, you can put on all your dps gear, +skill damage, blazing, blind, etc and cast sweeping then swap to vitality or life on hit/leech and clear the whole zone. Inna set bonus facilitates this as well. This can be abused up to and including soloing MP10 uber bosses using a 100 dps Sledge fist (for its stun) because you lock sweeping wind at 150k dps and swap to your 2k LoH 6% LL gear.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Razhil
Profile Joined May 2011
Belgium208 Posts
October 23 2012 13:06 GMT
#2323
On October 23 2012 21:05 Burrfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 18:39 Razhil wrote:
Also, I've seen a lot of build with Blinding Flash with the improved dps rune, is that because if you throw BF before SW, SW keep the bonus "forever" ?

Thanks in advance guys !


Yep, you can put on all your dps gear, +skill damage, blazing, blind, etc and cast sweeping then swap to vitality or life on hit/leech and clear the whole zone. Inna set bonus facilitates this as well. This can be abused up to and including soloing MP10 uber bosses using a 100 dps Sledge fist (for its stun) because you lock sweeping wind at 150k dps and swap to your 2k LoH 6% LL gear.


Said like this, it looks quite OP... Thanks for the information

Would you have any advice around my gear and what I should look for first ?
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
October 24 2012 06:20 GMT
#2324
After seeing pokebunny's post on helping to shop, I figured I could post here as well.

I have no idea what to buy next for my monk.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Confuse-1392/hero/4470788

im hesitant to replace most of my gear because im trying to stay as close to 300 % mf as possible (at 294? right now)

If you fellow monks could recommend changes/upgrades for ~ 30 mill (I have 160 mill but for some reason hesitant to spend money - i'd rather save it for "good gear" when i replace something and stay at ~ 300 mf, instead of buying average gear with mf on it, if that makes sense).
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 07:06:31
October 24 2012 06:33 GMT
#2325
So I hooked my monk up with a new weapon, belt, pants, helm, and shoulders. I switch back and forth between sword n board and dual wield. I got my all resist up to 808 with the board and 700 while dual wielding. I can get higher AR if I switch my amulet to my defensive one with all resist but I lose 9% crit chance. My DPS is now a nice 34k unbuffed [46.5% crit rate](sword n Board) and 39k unbuffed [38.5% crit rate] dual wield. Eventually i'd like to replace my rings and Amulet but those are going to cost me a small fortune each.

EDIT: Is 55.5% (62.2% when under the doubled effect) dodge rate worth using Mantra of Evasion backlash over Mantra of Conviction Overawe?
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seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 07:28:19
October 24 2012 07:24 GMT
#2326
On October 24 2012 15:33 NEOtheONE wrote:
So I hooked my monk up with a new weapon, belt, pants, helm, and shoulders. I switch back and forth between sword n board and dual wield. I got my all resist up to 808 with the board and 700 while dual wielding. I can get higher AR if I switch my amulet to my defensive one with all resist but I lose 9% crit chance. My DPS is now a nice 34k unbuffed [46.5% crit rate](sword n Board) and 39k unbuffed [38.5% crit rate] dual wield. Eventually i'd like to replace my rings and Amulet but those are going to cost me a small fortune each.

EDIT: Is 55.5% (62.2% when under the doubled effect) dodge rate worth using Mantra of Evasion backlash over Mantra of Conviction Overawe?

If your goal is to do the most dps Conviction/Overawe is king. If you want to stay alive, obviously go with Backlash.

Also, how is your crit to high yet your dps so low? Are you also boosting your crit damage?

Edit: I looked at your profile, and the biggest upgrade for you would be a fast offhand with dex, LoH, high crit damage, and a socket for more crit damage. The dps doesn't need to be all that high (around 650 is probably the lowest i'd go). This would probably cost around 8m for a fist with those specs, more for a dagger.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 08:25:25
October 24 2012 07:50 GMT
#2327
On October 24 2012 16:24 seiferoth10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 15:33 NEOtheONE wrote:
So I hooked my monk up with a new weapon, belt, pants, helm, and shoulders. I switch back and forth between sword n board and dual wield. I got my all resist up to 808 with the board and 700 while dual wielding. I can get higher AR if I switch my amulet to my defensive one with all resist but I lose 9% crit chance. My DPS is now a nice 34k unbuffed [46.5% crit rate](sword n Board) and 39k unbuffed [38.5% crit rate] dual wield. Eventually i'd like to replace my rings and Amulet but those are going to cost me a small fortune each.

EDIT: Is 55.5% (62.2% when under the doubled effect) dodge rate worth using Mantra of Evasion backlash over Mantra of Conviction Overawe?

If your goal is to do the most dps Conviction/Overawe is king. If you want to stay alive, obviously go with Backlash.

Also, how is your crit to high yet your dps so low? Are you also boosting your crit damage?

Edit: I looked at your profile, and the biggest upgrade for you would be a fast offhand with dex, LoH, high crit damage, and a socket for more crit damage. The dps doesn't need to be all that high (around 650 is probably the lowest i'd go). This would probably cost around 8m for a fist with those specs, more for a dagger.


Profile hasn't updated to reflect my recent gear acquisitions. I have 70% crit damage on my new main hand weapon and 1022 dps. I just picked up a 781 dps 93% crit damage + socket +190 dex weapon for dual wielding purposes.

The reason my damage is low is that accounts for all my crit damage other than like another 20% from one ring.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 11:06:39
October 24 2012 11:04 GMT
#2328
Just swapped my really good offhand (850 dps, 250 dex, 3 lifesteal, 60 crit damage, socketed sword) with a 750 dps 150 dex, 2.4 lifesteal, and socketed Won Khim Lau maxed on lightning affixes, and man, was it an upgrade or what. My tooltip dps dropped by 6k or so, but my runs VOTA run times are reduced by around 25%.
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HyunA
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania362 Posts
October 24 2012 11:16 GMT
#2329
On October 24 2012 20:04 Derrida wrote:
Just swapped my really good offhand (850 dps, 250 dex, 3 lifesteal, 60 crit damage, socketed sword) with a 750 dps 150 dex, 2.4 lifesteal, and socketed Won Khim Lau maxed on lightning affixes, and man, was it an upgrade or what. My tooltip dps dropped by 6k or so, but my runs VOTA run times are reduced by around 25%.

omg really? is the Won Khim Lau that good? i'm a Skorn monk from a long time ago, but recently i wanted to switch to EF + WKL combo.

wonder if it's worth the investment.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
October 24 2012 11:20 GMT
#2330
Every hit of our Thunderclap (so every single auto attack), along with every Cyclone, benefits from WKL. Unfortunately the spinning vortex of Sweeping Winds doesn't benefit from it, so only the vast majority of our damage does. So yes, it's worth it.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 24 2012 12:02 GMT
#2331
I've gotten fond of shooting Shenlong's Set Hadokens along with Hellfire Ring fireballs at the same time. It's kind of cool since the initial teleport of FoT goes as fast as the blue fireball, but not the Hellfire.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
HyunA
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania362 Posts
October 24 2012 12:09 GMT
#2332
On October 24 2012 21:02 Burrfoot wrote:
I've gotten fond of shooting Shenlong's Set Hadokens along with Hellfire Ring fireballs at the same time. It's kind of cool since the initial teleport of FoT goes as fast as the blue fireball, but not the Hellfire.

for how much dmg does the shenlong powerball proc? and how often?
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 17:59:52
October 24 2012 16:58 GMT
#2333
My fireballs consistently hit in the mid 20k's which happens to be the average hit of my main hand; so it's seems like it's based off of weapon damage. It can crit as well.


As for proc rate, it's really high, almost 100% I'd say with an internal cooldown of about 6 seconds? I haven't counted, but it seems like every 3-4 volley's I'll shoot one out.

Edit: Just farmed up a key, ICD seems closer to 3 seconds and the proc rate is probably upwards of 70%.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 18:02:14
October 24 2012 17:59 GMT
#2334
it definitely seems like a 100% proc rate (or at least insanely high 'cause it always shoots on my first punch even if it's just in town) but with a 4-6s cooldown. they're much stronger than the hellfire balls and they can also crit. i was so upset that there was a cd on the shenlong proc 'cause i stack so much IAS. T.T was hoping for some awesome hadouken spam

regardless though, i like the shenlong set more than EF+other wep. my EF only had 10% chance of fear on hit and it still annoyed the crap out of me.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
October 24 2012 23:16 GMT
#2335
Ah, my profile finally updated. What should I get next gear wise? I know amulet with crit chance and damage is on that list but those start at like 10 mil and I am back down to 2 mil after my last buying spree.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/NateNEO-1724/hero/8218132
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 23:39:56
October 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#2336
On October 25 2012 08:16 NEOtheONE wrote:
Ah, my profile finally updated. What should I get next gear wise? I know amulet with crit chance and damage is on that list but those start at like 10 mil and I am back down to 2 mil after my last buying spree.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/NateNEO-1724/hero/8218132

I'd probably go with your boots first, they have a shockingly low amount of dex (which rolls all the way up to 300 on boots). To save costs, you could get boots without vit, or without the AR. Next are probably gloves because they only have two dps stats, when you could fit in 3 dps stats (dex, crit, crit dmg), or even dex trifecta (crit, crit dmg, atk spd) gloves.

On October 25 2012 02:59 wooozy wrote:
it definitely seems like a 100% proc rate (or at least insanely high 'cause it always shoots on my first punch even if it's just in town) but with a 4-6s cooldown. they're much stronger than the hellfire balls and they can also crit. i was so upset that there was a cd on the shenlong proc 'cause i stack so much IAS. T.T was hoping for some awesome hadouken spam

regardless though, i like the shenlong set more than EF+other wep. my EF only had 10% chance of fear on hit and it still annoyed the crap out of me.

I was planning to get a nice EF later, so I decided to give it a shot with a cheap one to test out the fear. Yup, it's annoying as shit. It's probably good against uber bosses and elites that hit for a ton, but other than that it just wastes time. I may have to reconsider my weapon choice.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 23:52:26
October 24 2012 23:47 GMT
#2337
On October 25 2012 08:16 NEOtheONE wrote:
Ah, my profile finally updated. What should I get next gear wise? I know amulet with crit chance and damage is on that list but those start at like 10 mil and I am back down to 2 mil after my last buying spree.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/NateNEO-1724/hero/8218132


You're getting into the zone where all good upgrades will cost a lot and even incremental upgrades will cost 100's and do very little for your dps.

There's one spot though if you don't want to shell out - Shadow Meridien can probably be upgraded for cheap if you go for all res / cc / avg dmg and either cd or as. As long as you leave off vit/dex I've noticed these rings are easy to find.

Otherwise what Sef said, boots w/o runspeed are usually reasonably priced.

BTW are you planning on going for Inna's set bonuses? Because if so; you're going to use a fair chunk of hp / res; which you'll have to make up elsewhere (or learn to live without). So you might want to hold off on new gloves since yours have very good defensive stats.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 08:26:45
October 25 2012 07:54 GMT
#2338
On October 25 2012 08:47 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 08:16 NEOtheONE wrote:
Ah, my profile finally updated. What should I get next gear wise? I know amulet with crit chance and damage is on that list but those start at like 10 mil and I am back down to 2 mil after my last buying spree.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/NateNEO-1724/hero/8218132


You're getting into the zone where all good upgrades will cost a lot and even incremental upgrades will cost 100's and do very little for your dps.

There's one spot though if you don't want to shell out - Shadow Meridien can probably be upgraded for cheap if you go for all res / cc / avg dmg and either cd or as. As long as you leave off vit/dex I've noticed these rings are easy to find.

Otherwise what Sef said, boots w/o runspeed are usually reasonably priced.

BTW are you planning on going for Inna's set bonuses? Because if so; you're going to use a fair chunk of hp / res; which you'll have to make up elsewhere (or learn to live without). So you might want to hold off on new gloves since yours have very good defensive stats.


Nah I just got the inna's helm cause it was only 1.5 mil and gave me really good crit rate. I just replaced the boots for 1 million. Got 100 more dex so my unbuffed dps is 50k now. I switched sixth sense to the dual wield passive that gives "15%" dodge and gained a few % more on dodge rate. I'm at 49.9% dodge before mantra. I tried replacing seize the initiative with sixth sense for even more dodge, but the loss of almost 1100 armor (5% damage reduction) for 6% more dodge rate feels like a touchy trade-off. I mean for when I am fighting dodgeable things I only get hit 1/3 of the time, but against arcane sentry and other undodgeables I take 5% more damage.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 25 2012 09:00 GMT
#2339
On October 24 2012 20:20 seiferoth10 wrote:
Every hit of our Thunderclap (so every single auto attack), along with every Cyclone, benefits from WKL. Unfortunately the spinning vortex of Sweeping Winds doesn't benefit from it, so only the vast majority of our damage does. So yes, it's worth it.


Especially single target, it's a massive dps increase. Quite easily 80-90% of the damage on a single target(for me anyways) is done through the plethora of cyclones and thunderclap.

As for Neo, try to get minimum stars in everything, with either perfect or radiant in weapons. The gems will be used anyways in future gear, so think of them as an investment.

You don't really need more than 35k hp or so without a life gem to do high MP ubers, so you can afford to drop a fair amount of vit(and you will probably have to) in order to get more damage. You'll need to accept that from now on though most upgrades are going to be in the double digit million range for incremental upgrades.
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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 25 2012 11:12 GMT
#2340
On October 25 2012 16:54 NEOtheONE wrote:
Nah I just got the inna's helm cause it was only 1.5 mil and gave me really good crit rate.


Yea, Inna's Helms and Madstons are dirt cheap as DHs cant use them. I use Madstone to 'tank' with a Life gem and 14% sweeping wind (350k) and Inna's to farm xp/loot with XP Gem (2m).
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