EPTAnd of course, by the end-game, survivability is such a major factor for a melee character that it's still hard to ditch a shield even when 2-hander damage IS better.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
And of course, by the end-game, survivability is such a major factor for a melee character that it's still hard to ditch a shield even when 2-hander damage IS better. | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
On May 20 2012 09:26 DaCruise wrote: \Honestly I would love two-handers to be great for barbs but it just doesnt seem like it. I've levelled solo to 60 with 2h or dual wield (mostly 2h), have had no problems*, didn't repeat any content - 46 hours /played to 60 (not super fast but I don't think it's slow?). The whole way I've only used cleave/frenzy + revenge + ignore pain + battle orders/threat shout/stomp + leap/charge + wotb. Changed my passives between ruthless/wep master/zerker rage or pound of flesh/ nerves/superstition depending on how much survivability i need. *Izual on hell wasn't happening so I got a friend to help me. Also I think I abandoned a couple of elite packs that had really nasty affixes and were a long way from the spwan point on hell. | ||
HaN-
France1920 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#bVYQki!hcb!ccZcaa | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
and this awful, awful build... http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WiYVQS!aZY!caZccc I was messing around with at the end of act 1 inferno, I managed to get 2 neph stacks using this build (lucky spawns) and decide to give butcher a shot, enough though it's completely awful for him... turns out I still was able to solo that joke with that build lol...  ISCLAIMER* THIS BUILD IS BAD, JUST POSTING FOR COMEDY THAT EVEN WITH SUCH A BAD BUILD, YOU CAN SOLO BUTCHER ON INFERNO. ISCLAIMER* | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
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BOOSE.867
United States32 Posts
On May 20 2012 02:43 juked wrote: I've just started hell act 1 and I've noticed a big increase in the damage I take the elite mobs difficulty. I see that everyone is switching to shield and board which really depresses me  because I love my 2-handers. Right now I'm using this Barb build. I usually play w/ a demon hunter who is pure damage so I go for stun lock. If anyone has any tips on not to do board and sword let me know because I love the big two handers. Also, I havn't given WW a real try because I really dislike it compared to d2 but I'm trying to incorporate it sometimes just Hell definitively isn't the place. Oh btw im lvl 52. I'm level 55 and I use this build in Hell. Maybe get bloodthirst in there somehow. I was running with a 1h and a shield for a while, but I feel like it ends up being worse just cause I can't kill stuff fast enough. I'm sure I will eventually have to use a shield but I love the ridiculous crits and just raw damage of 2h. I dunno, am I just doing something wrong? | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
I'm finding leap with armour extremely good, +300% armour for 4 seconds every 15 seconds. Ignore pain after your leap armour runs out and you only have a few seconds until leap is up again. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I'm lvl 55 in hell as well, single player is easy to fool around with various builds, but in a 4-man party (i run with 1 wd + 2 dh, so we're seriously lacking tanks), you fail super hard if you go for damage. It's just not happening vs creeps of 500k++ hp. I got everything on max survival mode. Frenzy is a must, whirlwind for splash, then Revenge as main survival skill. I traded leap for war cry as it helps with max hp/regen for the entire team. Stun is essential again, for those annoying imba mobs, and the skill that's left is optional, but I use battle cry for the extra dps. Passives is all armor, tough as nails, nerves of steel, superstition. I juggled with relentless instead of superstition but I don't like it, as when I'm under 20% hp I'm probably dead anyway, 75% of the time. | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
I'm not sure shield is that essential though. It's only around 6-7% dmg reduction I think? Of course it helps but it's about the same as choosing defensive passive over a dps one. | ||
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BOOSE.867
United States32 Posts
On May 20 2012 10:38 AndyJay wrote: That's pretty much my build except I swapped cleave for frenzy and hammer for leap. You don't need hammer, revenge is good enough dps if you have a big 2her, and frenzy is the best single target dps. I'm finding leap with armour extremely good, +300% armour for 4 seconds every 15 seconds. Ignore pain after your leap armour runs out and you only have a few seconds until leap is up again. What do you use all that fury for? I figured I'd spend the fury on SOMETHING and the damage +crit bonus on hammer is just as good as revenge and you don't have to wait for it to proc. Especially in Berserker mode, I'm doing some pretty gnarly crits with the hammer. Frenzy is great, sure, but I find the cleave has the best synergy with ground stomp, which is a must-have skill as far as I'm concerned. Also, I see a lot of people talking about taking Tough as Nails AND Nerves of Steel. Is this necessary? I can't imagine not taking Superstition and taking all three just seems silly | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
As I said, in solo you could make a lot of things work it's just a matter of how much you want to bother with micro. In parties even the strongest survival builds seem useless when you get to act 3/4 in hell. | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
On May 20 2012 10:59 BOOSE.867 wrote: What do you use all that fury for? I figured I'd spend the fury on SOMETHING and the damage +crit bonus on hammer is just as good as revenge and you don't have to wait for it to proc. Especially in Berserker mode, I'm doing some pretty gnarly crits with the hammer. Frenzy is great, sure, but I find the cleave has the best synergy with ground stomp, which is a must-have skill as far as I'm concerned. There's no need to spend fury... it's not going to explode your balls if you don't use it =). Revenge and frenzy are enough dps for aoe and single I find. On the other hand having a charge or leap will save you time and time again vs waller arcane molten desecrator plagued suicide and lots of other things. Of course if you're happy with how you're going with what you have, no reason to change. I'm sure everyone has found the 'perfect' build only to have to change it 20 mins later... I know I have several times. | ||
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Highways
Australia6122 Posts
Is this bad or normal? | ||
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
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Sword and board stays for most fights, but I switch into 2h for Act bosses since, so far, they're all kind of pushovers compared to rare and elite mobs. Like I said, I plan fully on switching into 2h full time once I acquire the appropriate gear, as Frenzy with a 2h puts out massive amounts of damage. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
funny balance. I dont even wanna join partygames anymore because i just increase the monsters HP while being useless. all i can do is roar --> stun --> run --> die. | ||
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On May 20 2012 11:42 KalWarkov wrote: im lvl 60 and barbarian is by far the most useless character in the game, followed by monk and witch doctor. DH and Wizard can solo everything just by moving around. funny balance. I dont even wanna join partygames anymore because i just increase the monsters HP while being useless. all i can do is roar --> stun --> run --> die. Barbarians are probably the most gear dependent class in the game. Not a good idea playing one if you don't want to farm. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 20 2012 11:42 KalWarkov wrote: I dont even wanna join partygames anymore because i just increase the monsters HP while being useless. all i can do is roar --> stun --> run --> die. I don't agree with that at all. You don't necessarily contribute the same damage, but if you're itemizing for enough survivability, being able to tank and let Wizards and DH's stand-and-fire is a big deal. The difference between how much damage a DH or Wiz can do while kiting and how much they can do while standing and firing with a tank taking the heat is HUGE. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On May 18 2012 07:06 AndyJay wrote: I'm up to 52 in hell. All I can say is I think cooldowns and fury spenders are overrated. Here's my build. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#bRSYVi!ZYc!abZZca This actually looks like a really good build. I've really run into a brick wall in hell mode. Currently I'm at the third act, mostly through hopping on co-up games with friends or public. Playing alone gets me killed a lot. I'm guesstimating that I've died 200ish times or so. Is there anyone who's completed the game as a barbie who could link their build? Edit. Tried out the build, and it's really really good. Best one I've tried so far. A major problem with barbies in general is that they're so item dependant. It seems like a good idea to have a main witch doctor and then work on a barbie on the side while buying things from the AH to make him able to do stuff in hell+. The second and third act especially are infernos of hellish nightmares. | ||
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