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Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 13:01:19
May 19 2012 13:01 GMT
#101
I notice a lot of people using Maniac rune with frenzy, Do not do this! The Sidearm rune is the highest single target dps a barb can do.

Here's the build I'm using to farm hell Azmodan. This build is very good for soloing nightmare/hell. If you're having trouble living swap out WotB for War Cry with Invigorate rune. I also use a 1her and shield, definitely best combo for a barb.
Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
May 19 2012 13:07 GMT
#102
I have a Monk on nightmare but re-rolled as Barbarian and loving the hell of it. Im using two-handed sword and the frenzy attack which makes me just as fast a Monk with a two hander basicly. Results? Insane damage

Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
May 19 2012 13:31 GMT
#103
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Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
May 19 2012 14:44 GMT
#104
On May 19 2012 20:51 Caphe wrote:
@crms: Grats on the progress and thanks for post. I am @ ACT 4 NM now, I am quite happy that I do many things that you point out in your post already .

One question though, do you think DW will work well on Inferno?


Tbh i think it could work if you had a dedicated tank other than yourself, but i dont see why would want to to be honest. At best is a 15% dps increase over 1h and shield. And the shield just does so much more.
Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
May 19 2012 15:37 GMT
#105
Bring the pain!

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phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
May 19 2012 17:01 GMT
#106
On May 19 2012 22:01 Pibacc wrote:
I notice a lot of people using Maniac rune with frenzy, Do not do this! The Sidearm rune is the highest single target dps a barb can do.

If you have 1 target, and 1 target only (nothing else around - i.e. Diablo), it will still procc and hit that 1 target?
juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
May 19 2012 17:43 GMT
#107
I've just started hell act 1 and I've noticed a big increase in the damage I take the elite mobs difficulty. I see that everyone is switching to shield and board which really depresses me because I love my 2-handers.
Right now I'm using this Barb build.
I usually play w/ a demon hunter who is pure damage so I go for stun lock. If anyone has any tips on not to do board and sword let me know because I love the big two handers. Also, I havn't given WW a real try because I really dislike it compared to d2 but I'm trying to incorporate it sometimes just Hell definitively isn't the place.

Oh btw im lvl 52.
Fatta
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany148 Posts
May 19 2012 18:28 GMT
#108
On May 20 2012 02:01 phanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 22:01 Pibacc wrote:
I notice a lot of people using Maniac rune with frenzy, Do not do this! The Sidearm rune is the highest single target dps a barb can do.

If you have 1 target, and 1 target only (nothing else around - i.e. Diablo), it will still procc and hit that 1 target?


Yes, it does but if there is something else to hit (even barrels or similar) it will go in t hat direction.
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b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
May 19 2012 22:42 GMT
#109
my build http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WcXViP!Zcb!aZaaaZ

I am lvl55 in act3 hell, big 2hand barb with 1.2k str and 950 vit

Crit-frenzy type with revenge as heal. I basically use rend for HP too but only before using revenge so that my fury will be back to 100% for the damage bonus.
Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
May 19 2012 22:50 GMT
#110
In Act 3 Hell, level 56,

Using:

1. Leap with armor buff.
2. Revenge with 8% gain and 5 fury per mob hit.
3. Swaps between marauders shout and the 20% armor 10% life and 1% life regen buff.
4. Wraith of the Beserker with an additional 100% dmg.
L. Frenzy.
R. Whirlwind.
Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
May 19 2012 22:50 GMT
#111
On May 20 2012 02:01 phanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 22:01 Pibacc wrote:
I notice a lot of people using Maniac rune with frenzy, Do not do this! The Sidearm rune is the highest single target dps a barb can do.

If you have 1 target, and 1 target only (nothing else around - i.e. Diablo), it will still procc and hit that 1 target?


agreed, sidearm is absolutely amazing.
BeanerBurrito
Profile Joined December 2010
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 23:02:17
May 19 2012 22:51 GMT
#112
just got into nightmare at level 33 and am using this

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#biShVk!YbV!ZaZaaa

+45% damage at all times from weapons master and battle rage

whirlwind is my main damage and revenge whenever it procs, if i am in a group of mobs i can charge over and over to get more fury for more whirlwinds, or a cleave or 2 will give enough fury with the +fury glyph to allow more whirlwinds

and i take the +armor passives and war cry to give me more mitigation so i can sustain whirlwinding through groups for that long


I have a few barbarian questions if anyone wants to answer them:

1. Is bloodthirst worth it? it seems like a single health orb will heal a lot more than bloodthirst does throughout a whirlwind

2. How much does a shield increase mitigation, how much damage do i lose by using a shield, and what stats does a good shield have?

3. What makes a two hander better than 1h + shield, or dual wield?

4. How is ability damage calculated, dps of the weapon? top end damage of the weapon? how does dual wield affect the calculation?

5. What abilities allow a barbarian to have the most sustained damage mitigation? bloodthirst, tough as nails, threatening shout, etc?

6. How does the single target dps of whirlwind compare to other abilities like cleave or frenzy?

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b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 23:07:12
May 19 2012 23:05 GMT
#113
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 19 2012 23:21 GMT
#114
On May 19 2012 22:01 Pibacc wrote:
I notice a lot of people using Maniac rune with frenzy, Do not do this! The Sidearm rune is the highest single target dps a barb can do.

Here's the build I'm using to farm hell Azmodan. This build is very good for soloing nightmare/hell. If you're having trouble living swap out WotB for War Cry with Invigorate rune. I also use a 1her and shield, definitely best combo for a barb.


while you're correct that sidearm does great overall damage, people use maniac to buff fury spenders. with the entire frenzy stack you do 25% more damage on everything. I generally keep 5 stack and pound 270% hammers, or whirlwind. Depending on the DPS of your weapon and what you're trying to accomplish, I definitely see maniac being viable.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 19 2012 23:30 GMT
#115
@crms: I tried your Frenzy/WW soloing setup, and I'm surprised how comfortable it is playing without Leap. I honestly thought it would be too big a change, but I'm getting used to it, and I have a hard time even choosing a skill i would ditch to have Leap back.
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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
May 19 2012 23:39 GMT
#116
On May 19 2012 17:11 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 15:43 Xinder wrote:
So I've seen a lot of builds discussed but not much about weapons. Is the only way to do well at the later difficulties really to use a 1h/shield combo? I really like dual wielding and it was the primary reason I started up my beserker. It'd be disappointing if that aspect goes away at the higher difficulties.

Dual wielding arguably only becomes viable at higher difficulties. Dual wielding is only superior to 1H+Shield if you have two weapons with similar DPS numbers. If the DPS disparity between them is high, the poorer weapon effectively drags down your total DPS. When you're in higher difficulties and getting small incremental upgrades, it's conceivable that you could get 2 weapons that are both pretty good and benefit from the +15% IAS of dual wielding. But at lower levels, you get big leaps in item quality because you're leveling quickly, and getting items with big jumps in req. level to reflect that. The likelihood of keeping 2 weapons of similar quality for a long period of time and not finding a significant upgrade is pretty small.

I don't think enough people have seen enough endgame items dropped to say exactly what will be best at level 60 Inferno, but in the stage of the game where you're leveling, and you get extremely significant upgrades on a regular basis, trying to stick with dual wielding is very unreliable.


Does it matter what type of 1h you use? I'm thinking of leveling using the max fury build I saw posted earlier so weapons master as the passive would come into play.
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MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 23:59:24
May 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#117
Anyone have tips for dealing with soul rippers on hell? (does it come down to taking wrath and just nuking them real fast?) Im fine util I get feared 3x in a row, boxed in with charge / leap on CD :<

crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 00:21:53
May 20 2012 00:10 GMT
#118
On May 20 2012 08:30 TheYango wrote:
@crms: I tried your Frenzy/WW soloing setup, and I'm surprised how comfortable it is playing without Leap. I honestly thought it would be too big a change, but I'm getting used to it, and I have a hard time even choosing a skill i would ditch to have Leap back.


oh i know how you feel. The deciding factor after countless beta hours as to which class to play was leap.

I love mobility builds, leap and charge etc., so fun!

I'm glad you're having success with the build. I just did a few runs with it myself. Right now I'm mixing it up, trying all sorts of things. I'm even trying a full dps solo build. I'm not sure my gear is good enough but it's fun to try. I kill shit so quickly but I don't have the survivability yet to handle some of the champion packs I could solo as a 'tanky build'.



edit; also ive made a slight adjustment that i think is worth it in that solo inferno build. I replaced the heal on WW with the 143% fire damage because it seemed with my low, low crit (5% in my tank gear) i wasn't healing enough for it to be worth it. The extra AOE damage allowed me to clear faster and didn't sacrifice any surviablity. Right now, I'm trying to ditch WW all together for the 270% hammer.



edit 2: trying so many different builds today.. not sure what will be the best after all of this haha.
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 20 2012 00:26 GMT
#119
On May 19 2012 22:07 Avean wrote:
I have a Monk on nightmare but re-rolled as Barbarian and loving the hell of it. Im using two-handed sword and the frenzy attack which makes me just as fast a Monk with a two hander basicly. Results? Insane damage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBAne8gTNs0


Normal is not hard. Try nightmare with a two-hander and you will get owned just like the rest of us.

Honestly I would love two-handers to be great for barbs but it just doesnt seem like it.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
May 20 2012 00:30 GMT
#120
@crms Do you think you could create the builds your referring to on the blizz calc and link em here? I'd like to see em for reference. I just started a barbarian so i'm only on normal and I don't know most of the skills shorthands yet.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
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