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TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
April 10 2013 10:32 GMT
#4081
idk hota is fun =[ whirlwind is boring
Iorveth
Profile Joined April 2013
Cayman Islands62 Posts
April 10 2013 11:54 GMT
#4082
But you need better gear to make HotA work. :o
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
April 10 2013 11:57 GMT
#4083
Guys please stop suggesting crafting to everybody regardless of their budget. Crafting is a viable option only with some millions to spend, otherwise AH is the way to go. For someone whose gear is worth nothing, investing 200k gold per amulet it's just plain wrong.

With 200k we can get: IK Helm (170+str), IK boots, IK gloves with over 200str, IK belt with 170str and vit, Blackthorne's chest with strength and 170+ vit, str/vit/ar Lacuni, Vile Ward or equivalent with 190+str and 70+vit, pants with str/170vit/60ar/2sockets, jewelry with str/ias/cc, 900dps Echoing Fury with socket, 800dps offhand with str/cd/socket/life steal.

So, TomatoShark, start from this list and get what you can with your budget. Use two 1H weapons so you can play with berserker.
TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
April 11 2013 05:33 GMT
#4084
I have 2 1 handers I just like hota
Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
April 11 2013 12:03 GMT
#4085
On April 09 2013 05:39 el_dawg wrote:
I wouldn't craft yet, you can still get pretty nice upgrades for cheap. I would look for a ring and amulet (8+cc) w/ crit chance and crit damage, you can afford to give up some vitality. You will also want to hit 24% move speed, so 1 other item is needed, either Inna's pants or lacuni's (most likely) if you want to keep the IK set bonus. A larger emerald in your weapon is also nice. Finally, a 1h + off hand might actually be better for your build. Get a mace w/ an open socket, crit chance and no attack speed modifier. Your off hand can either be an echoing fury w/ str + a socket or str + crit damage (cheaper), try to get as close to +.25aps as you can, dps of your offhand doesn't matter. You can also get a low dps dagger or sword w/ crit damage, open socket, str, life steal. Your character sheet dps may go down w/ 2 1handers, but your actual dps and ability to maintain WOTB will be way better.


Heya, thanks for the advice. I did some VotA runs and bought these one handers:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Raisa-1892/hero/32421213

I know they're not great (500k each or so) but they got close to what you said. My sheet dps did indeed drop like you said.
Are these weapons alright for now and can I save up for amulet/and stuff now or are they really shitty and should I get something else?

Thanks!
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 12:40:39
April 11 2013 12:38 GMT
#4086
That belt makes me sad.

You got a list of cheap items 2 posts above yours:

On April 10 2013 20:57 Big G wrote:
With 200k we can get: IK Helm (170+str), IK boots, IK gloves with over 200str, IK belt with 170str and vit, Blackthorne's chest with strength and 170+ vit, str/vit/ar Lacuni, Vile Ward or equivalent with 190+str and 70+vit, pants with str/170vit/60ar/2sockets, jewelry with str/ias/cc, 900dps Echoing Fury with socket, 800dps offhand with str/cd/socket/life steal.

Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 14:09:21
April 11 2013 13:20 GMT
#4087
On April 11 2013 21:38 Big G wrote:
That belt makes me sad.

You got a list of cheap items 2 posts above yours:

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 20:57 Big G wrote:
With 200k we can get: IK Helm (170+str), IK boots, IK gloves with over 200str, IK belt with 170str and vit, Blackthorne's chest with strength and 170+ vit, str/vit/ar Lacuni, Vile Ward or equivalent with 190+str and 70+vit, pants with str/170vit/60ar/2sockets, jewelry with str/ias/cc, 900dps Echoing Fury with socket, 800dps offhand with str/cd/socket/life steal.



Yeah thanks I noticed, I will def keep that list in mind I'll save up for a better belt next, then.
I was just wondering if my weapons were alright to keep me going?

Edit: Got a better belt! (194 str, 37 vit)
el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
April 11 2013 15:55 GMT
#4088
On April 11 2013 21:03 Henk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 05:39 el_dawg wrote:
I wouldn't craft yet, you can still get pretty nice upgrades for cheap. I would look for a ring and amulet (8+cc) w/ crit chance and crit damage, you can afford to give up some vitality. You will also want to hit 24% move speed, so 1 other item is needed, either Inna's pants or lacuni's (most likely) if you want to keep the IK set bonus. A larger emerald in your weapon is also nice. Finally, a 1h + off hand might actually be better for your build. Get a mace w/ an open socket, crit chance and no attack speed modifier. Your off hand can either be an echoing fury w/ str + a socket or str + crit damage (cheaper), try to get as close to +.25aps as you can, dps of your offhand doesn't matter. You can also get a low dps dagger or sword w/ crit damage, open socket, str, life steal. Your character sheet dps may go down w/ 2 1handers, but your actual dps and ability to maintain WOTB will be way better.


Heya, thanks for the advice. I did some VotA runs and bought these one handers:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Raisa-1892/hero/32421213

I know they're not great (500k each or so) but they got close to what you said. My sheet dps did indeed drop like you said.
Are these weapons alright for now and can I save up for amulet/and stuff now or are they really shitty and should I get something else?

Thanks!

Ya, the weapons look pretty good. However, there are 2 things you could think about. In general, you don't want the attack speed modifier on your main hand since the most important stat is its average damage. Attack speed on your weapon increases it's displayed dps without improving its average damage. You also have lifesteal on your echoing fury which is nice, but probably not needed w/ your belt + bloodthirst. Both of those are very minor issues, the weapons look great for 500k each.

Are you finding it easier to maintain wotb?

I think I would recommend getting a pair of Str/crit chance lacuni prowlers next (~500k as well). You really need the attack speed and movement speed bonus they give.
Iorveth
Profile Joined April 2013
Cayman Islands62 Posts
April 11 2013 16:43 GMT
#4089
On April 10 2013 20:57 Big G wrote:
Guys please stop suggesting crafting to everybody regardless of their budget. Crafting is a viable option only with some millions to spend, otherwise AH is the way to go. For someone whose gear is worth nothing, investing 200k gold per amulet it's just plain wrong.


Amulets are worth it even with low budget. You will get a pretty solid Amu in your first 20 tries (8CHC+ and ~300Str): And no one would craft alot with <100k dps. Mass-Crafting is worth it when you can't get any upgrades for less than ~5M.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
April 11 2013 16:59 GMT
#4090
On April 12 2013 01:43 Iorveth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 20:57 Big G wrote:
Guys please stop suggesting crafting to everybody regardless of their budget. Crafting is a viable option only with some millions to spend, otherwise AH is the way to go. For someone whose gear is worth nothing, investing 200k gold per amulet it's just plain wrong.


Amulets are worth it even with low budget. You will get a pretty solid Amu in your first 20 tries (8CHC+ and ~300Str): And no one would craft alot with <100k dps. Mass-Crafting is worth it when you can't get any upgrades for less than ~5M.

Do you realize that high strength + 8cc cost nothing in AH and that 20 tries mean ~3mil gold, which is exactly what I said (”some millions to spend")?

spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
April 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#4091
On April 11 2013 21:03 Henk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 05:39 el_dawg wrote:
I wouldn't craft yet, you can still get pretty nice upgrades for cheap. I would look for a ring and amulet (8+cc) w/ crit chance and crit damage, you can afford to give up some vitality. You will also want to hit 24% move speed, so 1 other item is needed, either Inna's pants or lacuni's (most likely) if you want to keep the IK set bonus. A larger emerald in your weapon is also nice. Finally, a 1h + off hand might actually be better for your build. Get a mace w/ an open socket, crit chance and no attack speed modifier. Your off hand can either be an echoing fury w/ str + a socket or str + crit damage (cheaper), try to get as close to +.25aps as you can, dps of your offhand doesn't matter. You can also get a low dps dagger or sword w/ crit damage, open socket, str, life steal. Your character sheet dps may go down w/ 2 1handers, but your actual dps and ability to maintain WOTB will be way better.


Heya, thanks for the advice. I did some VotA runs and bought these one handers:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Raisa-1892/hero/32421213

I know they're not great (500k each or so) but they got close to what you said. My sheet dps did indeed drop like you said.
Are these weapons alright for now and can I save up for amulet/and stuff now or are they really shitty and should I get something else?

Thanks!

Get more atk speed. It compliments ww builds
It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire.
Iorveth
Profile Joined April 2013
Cayman Islands62 Posts
April 11 2013 20:37 GMT
#4092
On April 12 2013 01:59 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 01:43 Iorveth wrote:
On April 10 2013 20:57 Big G wrote:
Guys please stop suggesting crafting to everybody regardless of their budget. Crafting is a viable option only with some millions to spend, otherwise AH is the way to go. For someone whose gear is worth nothing, investing 200k gold per amulet it's just plain wrong.


Amulets are worth it even with low budget. You will get a pretty solid Amu in your first 20 tries (8CHC+ and ~300Str): And no one would craft alot with <100k dps. Mass-Crafting is worth it when you can't get any upgrades for less than ~5M.

Do you realize that high strength + 8cc cost nothing in AH and that 20 tries mean ~3mil gold, which is exactly what I said (”some millions to spend")?



I had a Amulet at least worth 20M in 20tries... of course its not worth it if you have under 10M - but seriously the gold is no problem for the crafting.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
April 12 2013 00:07 GMT
#4093
On April 12 2013 05:37 Iorveth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 01:59 Big G wrote:
On April 12 2013 01:43 Iorveth wrote:
On April 10 2013 20:57 Big G wrote:
Guys please stop suggesting crafting to everybody regardless of their budget. Crafting is a viable option only with some millions to spend, otherwise AH is the way to go. For someone whose gear is worth nothing, investing 200k gold per amulet it's just plain wrong.


Amulets are worth it even with low budget. You will get a pretty solid Amu in your first 20 tries (8CHC+ and ~300Str): And no one would craft alot with <100k dps. Mass-Crafting is worth it when you can't get any upgrades for less than ~5M.

Do you realize that high strength + 8cc cost nothing in AH and that 20 tries mean ~3mil gold, which is exactly what I said (”some millions to spend")?



I had a Amulet at least worth 20M in 20tries... of course its not worth it if you have under 10M - but seriously the gold is no problem for the crafting.

Eh, that's exactly what I said.

Anyway, tonight I'll reach 200 essences and I'm going to craft again... still not sure what though. Probably gloves but I need a lot of luck.
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
April 12 2013 00:51 GMT
#4094
just started playing again recently and got a massive upgrade from a crafted amulet, not really sure what to change next, I have about 200m left for upgrades. any help is appreciated!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
April 12 2013 01:53 GMT
#4095
On April 12 2013 09:51 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
just started playing again recently and got a massive upgrade from a crafted amulet, not really sure what to change next, I have about 200m left for upgrades. any help is appreciated!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163

Belt with vitality, Inna's pants with str/vit, Unity with 7-8% ias.


Meanwhile...

[image loading]


I need attack speed.
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
April 12 2013 06:59 GMT
#4096
why attack speed instead of crit damage on unity? on paper my dps actually goes down/stays the same. for vit on the other pieces, other than ik belt where I can squeeze out some vit, on stuff like innas what should I be looking for exactly? I considered str and vit, but the rolls seems extremely poor. should I go for a high vit roll or something instead of str then? also most of these changes seem to have very little effects on my char in general, are there upgrades that makes a significant difference?
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
April 12 2013 11:03 GMT
#4097
On April 12 2013 15:59 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
why attack speed instead of crit damage on unity? on paper my dps actually goes down/stays the same. for vit on the other pieces, other than ik belt where I can squeeze out some vit, on stuff like innas what should I be looking for exactly? I considered str and vit, but the rolls seems extremely poor. should I go for a high vit roll or something instead of str then? also most of these changes seem to have very little effects on my char in general, are there upgrades that makes a significant difference?

Attack speed helps in keeping wotb up, and since you're using a spear I think it would make a big difference. 8% ias on my gear is worth the equivalent (in dps) of 40%cd. When I was using a mace my aps were 2.22 (with enchantress) and I considered it the bare minimum to keep wotb up.

As for Inna's pants, you can get a str/vit roll (look at mine http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709) which is capped at 100/100, or a single vit roll up to 200. Either way, 9%ias costs a lot more than 8%, so take that in mind.

As for upgrades that makes the difference... Ice Climbers / IK boots / Zunimassa's boots with movement speed.

Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 20:02:21
April 13 2013 19:51 GMT
#4098
Sup guys, it's me again. I just found a legendary helmet (Mempo of twilight apparently) and I sold the unid for 40M. (Guy IDed it - didn't have CC so it's a good deal to me).

I now have 40mil and 105k. Could anyone please provide some kind of list of items to strive for? I'd like some opinions before my lack of knowledge causes me to buy 40M worth of junk. My current items are http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Raisa-1892/hero/32421213, which are probably all garbage and should be replaced.

Any comments would be most helpful, thanks in advance!
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 20:36:52
April 13 2013 20:36 GMT
#4099
On April 14 2013 04:51 Henk wrote:
Sup guys, it's me again. I just found a legendary helmet (Mempo of twilight apparently) and I sold the unid for 40M. (Guy IDed it - didn't have CC so it's a good deal to me).

I now have 40mil and 105k. Could anyone please provide some kind of list of items to strive for? I'd like some opinions before my lack of knowledge causes me to buy 40M worth of junk. My current items are http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Raisa-1892/hero/32421213, which are probably all garbage and should be replaced.

Any comments would be most helpful, thanks in advance!

You need a lot more vitality so you can take it away from helm, gloves and ring. Part of it will come eventually as you level up, otherwise chest/pants/boots/belt have a lot of potential. As an example, IK boots with 170vit right now are only 2mil on EU, IK belt with 170+str and 80vit is 2.5mil, etc.

Once you've got ~150vit (a bit less if you upgrade your amethyst) you should go for:

- better weapons! Search for an echoing fury with 150str and socket or 70%cd, with 10mil you can get around 1100dps. Choose one with +0.25aps and low fear on hit if possible (sift through the most recent auctions). Then an offhand with 100str, 50%cd, life steal and socket. The market is filled with crafted weapons, with 10mil you can buy a 900dps sword.

- IK helm, 170+str, 6%cc, +250 armor (5mil on EU)

- IK gloves, 170+str, 30%cd or 8%ias (3-10mil). Ias is better for your build.

- ring with strength, 4.5cc, 7%ias, 30 avg damage minimun


All this stuff combined should cost around ~50mil, although these are prices on EU server.
Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 21:28:21
April 13 2013 21:22 GMT
#4100
On April 14 2013 05:36 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 04:51 Henk wrote:
Sup guys, it's me again. I just found a legendary helmet (Mempo of twilight apparently) and I sold the unid for 40M. (Guy IDed it - didn't have CC so it's a good deal to me).

I now have 40mil and 105k. Could anyone please provide some kind of list of items to strive for? I'd like some opinions before my lack of knowledge causes me to buy 40M worth of junk. My current items are http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Raisa-1892/hero/32421213, which are probably all garbage and should be replaced.

Any comments would be most helpful, thanks in advance!

You need a lot more vitality so you can take it away from helm, gloves and ring. Part of it will come eventually as you level up, otherwise chest/pants/boots/belt have a lot of potential. As an example, IK boots with 170vit right now are only 2mil on EU, IK belt with 170+str and 80vit is 2.5mil, etc.

Once you've got ~150vit (a bit less if you upgrade your amethyst) you should go for:

- better weapons! Search for an echoing fury with 150str and socket or 70%cd, with 10mil you can get around 1100dps. Choose one with +0.25aps and low fear on hit if possible (sift through the most recent auctions). Then an offhand with 100str, 50%cd, life steal and socket. The market is filled with crafted weapons, with 10mil you can buy a 900dps sword.

- IK helm, 170+str, 6%cc, +250 armor (5mil on EU)

- IK gloves, 170+str, 30%cd or 8%ias (3-10mil). Ias is better for your build.

- ring with strength, 4.5cc, 7%ias, 30 avg damage minimun


All this stuff combined should cost around ~50mil, although these are prices on EU server.


Heya, thanks a lot! A quick question here; I'm on my shopping spree right now. Just wondering: I found an off hand with 900+ dps, but it has like 50 str. I also found an offhand with ~870 dps, but it does have 100str. Will the 100 str one be better in the end? Or is the str already included in the dps of the weapon? I'm confused T_T.. Thanks!

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