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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 21:06:11
April 18 2013 20:53 GMT
#4121
hm your gear seems pretty balanced. Belt and helm are the easiest fixes, though weapons and ring may be slightly improveable with more strength (EF with 1100+dps and 250+ str are relatively undervalued). Only other thing you can do is to rearrange your 24% movement speed setup, so either craft good bracers and get Inna's pants for ms or get Inna's anyways and Ice Climbers without movement speed (and 250ish str). Otherwise I think Zunimassa's boots with str and 60ar may provide a bit more dps.

My setup for reference (it should display a SoJ right now): http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709



Edit: upgrade your gems!
GrimZeRo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States113 Posts
April 19 2013 01:48 GMT
#4122
Oh shit lol. I've had your d3 profile on my browsers for a couple months now O_O Thanks for the prompt response and the advice! Yeah I gotta get a new helm and belt, not to mention upgrade my gems. About rearranging my MS setup though, I kinda cringe at the thought of losing the MS ice climbers because of how expensive it is to find good lacunis. But i'll check out the Zuni option. Thanks a bunch bro ^_^ *Goes back to looking at your profile and drooling*
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Toothless`xelrae
Profile Joined November 2010
94 Posts
April 20 2013 18:21 GMT
#4123
Hey guys,

so i just decided to change from rend-WW build to HoTA/WW build and i was wondering what MP should I farm?

I can farm MP10 keeps 2 using rend-ww build (but I skip elites/champs) but since i changed to HoTA/WW do you think I should change my route to alkaizer run? thinking that HoTA build is designed for killing elites. lolthx
alcaras
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 20:21:10
April 25 2013 20:18 GMT
#4124
Just came back to the game, after a long, long time away. A kind friend gave me a bunch of gear and told me to spec WW.

Here's my profile:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alcaras-1456/hero/960763

What should I look at running? Alkazier? At what MP difficulty?

Also, a mechanical question about WW -- do I just spam WW and Bash as much as possible? (Thinking about keybindings, as LClick Bash and RightClick WW is not going to be good if I have to spam both). Lastly, which follower should I use? Enchantress is still miles better than the others?
http://subcreation.net/ http://twitch.tv/alcaras/
el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
April 25 2013 21:59 GMT
#4125
On April 26 2013 05:18 alcaras wrote:
Just came back to the game, after a long, long time away. A kind friend gave me a bunch of gear and told me to spec WW.

Here's my profile:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alcaras-1456/hero/960763

What should I look at running? Alkazier? At what MP difficulty?

Also, a mechanical question about WW -- do I just spam WW and Bash as much as possible? (Thinking about keybindings, as LClick Bash and RightClick WW is not going to be good if I have to spam both). Lastly, which follower should I use? Enchantress is still miles better than the others?


Looks like you could probably run MP 5ish. Ideally, you don't want to use bash much (but it is still good as left click). Keep up sprint and hold WW for mobility. You may need to spam battle rage to spend fury as well, you can't gain fury if you are maxed. Also, if you aren't used to using the "move" command, I would give that a try, bind a key like space to move and just hold that.

In terms of gearing, you want another 12% move speed, but you are gonna have to drop either your IK bonus or your bracers for it. You also want to think about adding more attack speed to your gear in general, battle rage doesn't care how hard you crit, just how often. Finally, you can probably get a cheap echoing fury for your off hand, dps doesn't matter, just try to get close to +.25 attacks per second and good stats, str, crit damage, socket, etc. In terms of follower, either scoundrel or enchantress is good, once you start learning about breakpoints, you can decide which one works better for you.
alcaras
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 10:18:28
April 26 2013 10:15 GMT
#4126
One more quick question from this WW Barb newbie.

Doing an Alkaizer run (as detailed here -- is this still up to date? www.diablowiki.net/Alkaizer_Run -- I think I saw something about a spider xp nerf?) at MP1 and am having issues keeping WotB up -- it falls off pretty quickly, and I'm getting no extended duration at all (or at most a second or two).

Is there some trick to keeping WotB up that I'm missing?

I am spamming Battle Rage in case I hit max fury (but am not having that issue, generally).
http://subcreation.net/ http://twitch.tv/alcaras/
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
April 26 2013 14:48 GMT
#4127
On April 26 2013 19:15 alcaras wrote:
One more quick question from this WW Barb newbie.

Doing an Alkaizer run (as detailed here -- is this still up to date? www.diablowiki.net/Alkaizer_Run -- I think I saw something about a spider xp nerf?) at MP1 and am having issues keeping WotB up -- it falls off pretty quickly, and I'm getting no extended duration at all (or at most a second or two).

Is there some trick to keeping WotB up that I'm missing?

I am spamming Battle Rage in case I hit max fury (but am not having that issue, generally).


If your are talking about the stygian crawlers, the XP nerf will happen at the 1.8 patch. which will prob come in a week or so.

Regarding your trouble of keeping your wrath up. You need to spend Fury to gain more second to your thrive on chaos.

Every 25 Fury gained while Wrath of the Berserker is active adds 1 second to the duration of the effect


So, you need to spam Sprint, and whatnot so you can keep your fury down, so you can earn fury, and that way gain more seconds to your wrath duration. Im no way a WW barb, I just use the build for some farming, but thats what I do to gain more seconds.
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 15:44:25
April 26 2013 15:39 GMT
#4128
Play on a higher difficulty, like mp4. You are probably killing mp1 too fast, you want more tornado ticks per monster to perma wotb.

Edit: more move speed and attack speed (including echoing fury) on gear will help too, but mp1 is definitely too low.
spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
April 26 2013 16:04 GMT
#4129
I believe the rule of thumb is for speed exp farming is go at the highest MP you can do that:
1. one or two shot white/trash monsters
2. take less than 30sec to kill most elites

OR another way is to do mp9/10 and just skip elites and just kill trash
It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire.
alcaras
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
April 27 2013 00:58 GMT
#4130
Yeah, I ended up doing MP7 and all my issues went away. It's a pretty broken build though -- completely trivializes the game. Not sure if I'll keep playing at all...
http://subcreation.net/ http://twitch.tv/alcaras/
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 01:13:17
April 27 2013 01:12 GMT
#4131
On April 27 2013 09:58 alcaras wrote:
Yeah, I ended up doing MP7 and all my issues went away. It's a pretty broken build though -- completely trivializes the game. Not sure if I'll keep playing at all...


There are other classes..not to mention builds for the barbs >_<''

Try a HOTA barb or a 1h shield barbs. They are alot harder to play and gear up.

Edit: but I do agree. the combination of skills for the WW is pretty OP. And there have been requests and talk about nerfing the thrive on chaos rune..
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 01:26:20
April 27 2013 01:24 GMT
#4132
On April 27 2013 09:58 alcaras wrote:
Yeah, I ended up doing MP7 and all my issues went away. It's a pretty broken build though -- completely trivializes the game. Not sure if I'll keep playing at all...


That's why you have to be like me and go 1h shield with rend/revenge/ground stomp + wrenching rune.
Absolute man-mode. Oh and also, no health regen from life on hit, life per sec, or life steal. All health globes and revenge.

A WW barb with like 1/4th my worth in gear can survive MP10, 1/2 my gear can survive MP10 AND kill mobs, while MP5/6 is a real challenge for me. It's actually quite funny. I can respec into whirlwind with life steal and even without two 1hs with socketed crit and whatnot, I can absolutely demolish MP7/8 just by fury dumping properly
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Shrubbles
Profile Joined September 2011
Brazil29 Posts
April 28 2013 01:04 GMT
#4133
I'm lost guys... What should I improve from here?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Shrubbles-1335/hero/904308
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 01:55:41
April 28 2013 01:55 GMT
#4134
On April 28 2013 10:04 Shrubbles wrote:
I'm lost guys... What should I improve from here?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Shrubbles-1335/hero/904308



http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Praxis-1641/hero/8313487 helm, belt, ammy craft, vit shoulders craft, inna's pants with ar str upgrade gems etc.

craft str gloves too. get trifecta ias, cc,cd
I wrote a song once.
Iorveth
Profile Joined April 2013
Cayman Islands62 Posts
April 28 2013 10:13 GMT
#4135
On April 28 2013 10:04 Shrubbles wrote:
I'm lost guys... What should I improve from here?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Shrubbles-1335/hero/904308


Get more HP! 35k is really low. If you want to farm above MP5 you need more HP. Try to craft "Archon Spaulders of Vitality" (can roll ~300str/300vit) and if you're lucky sell your Vile Ward. You should probably go for 5-Set IK because your Chest and Boots are pretty bad and you can get pretty Cheap IK Boots and Chest that would definitly improve your Gear and give you the 5-Set Bonus.
Either than that, always try to get more CHD and IAS. And change WarCry to Overpower(KillingSpree).
Saih
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia9 Posts
April 29 2013 11:19 GMT
#4136
On April 27 2013 01:04 spena wrote:
I believe the rule of thumb is for speed exp farming is go at the highest MP you can do that:
1. one or two shot white/trash monsters
2. take less than 30sec to kill most elites

OR another way is to do mp9/10 and just skip elites and just kill trash


Actually I think that rule is not necessarily true because of the fury gain nerf. In my opinion you wanna tune your MP as low as possible but high enough to a point where monsters live long enough to let you keep permanent WotB.
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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
April 29 2013 18:04 GMT
#4137
Anybody else thinks that it's possible that they might make sprint have a cooldown, so thrive on chaos wont be as easy to keep? Because even if they nerf the fury gain, it wont stop people spamming sprint to generate more fury.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
April 30 2013 00:14 GMT
#4138
On April 30 2013 03:04 Psychobabas wrote:
Anybody else thinks that it's possible that they might make sprint have a cooldown, so thrive on chaos wont be as easy to keep? Because even if they nerf the fury gain, it wont stop people spamming sprint to generate more fury.


Nope. To me it would be pants on head stupid to do that. If they nerf the fury intake it will somehow damage all builds, instead of just the one that matters.

I hope they just rewrite the entire Thrive on Chaos Rune and get it over with. People can then rage for about a week, but they just have to swollow that their credit card WW barbs no longer functions as good =)

Right now its for every 25 fury you get 1 sec. They could raise it to 45/50 fury for 1 sec. But dont know if that would really nerf the WW build in general. It could just effect all the medium to low geared barbs, and then the elite wouldnt notice a change, which isnt really what should happen.
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 02:24:32
April 30 2013 00:59 GMT
#4139
Raising the fury needed would just kill HOTA builds.

Im my opinion WOTB/Earthquake/CotA cooldown should be reduced (for each rune) to 60 seconds. 2 minutes were fine a year ago when we were facing an elite pack every 3-4 minutes or so with our 10k dps. Right now a 2 minute cooldown is just obsolete, it is half my typical run!
Meanwhile Thrive on Chaos should be reworked to be similar to Critical Mass, so "critical hits have a chance to lower the cooldown of WOTB by 1 second" or the same with the usual "every 25 fury gained...". The amount of crits/fury in 15" should make it possible to pop WOTB a couple times per minute. That way it shouldn't feel mandatory since other (hopefully buffed) skills/runes may compete with it (think of WOTB/Insanity or Earthquake once per minute).
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
April 30 2013 07:43 GMT
#4140
http://d3up.com/b/569454

new barb, completely broke so can't buy new equipment yet. i have trouble keeping my fury up for constant WW, much less WOTB. what other build should i be using with my current gear?
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