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el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 18:51:05
May 12 2013 17:46 GMT
#4161
Honestly, I would recommend replacing a lot of pieces. Your chest, belt, pants, boots, bracers and rings could all be upgraded for about a million each. You really shouldn't be crafting yet when there are so many cheap upgrades available. With 200m, you can do more of a complete overhaul and be set up to do mp8-9 depending on how patient you are with the AH. Your biggest issues is that you don't have enough vit on some pieces. Here is the cookie cutter ww barb setup, Big G mentioned most of it a couple posts above:

helm: mempo w/ extra str or vit
chest: ik w/ extra str/vit
belt: ik w/ vit
pants: innas with str or vit
boots: rares w/ big str/vit/ar or iceclimbers (movespeed not necesary)
bracers: lacuni prowlers with crit and 1 or more of str/vit/ar
rings: str+crit and any average damage/crit damage/attack speed you can find

Hopefully someone can give you some advice on weapons too, but I'm not sure which way to go with those.

Edit: I wouldn't spend more than 5mil on each of these upgrades. Save your gold and get a feel for what each item needs to contribute to the build.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
May 12 2013 18:08 GMT
#4162
On May 13 2013 01:35 Keirathi wrote:
Anyone able to help me out a bit?

http://d3up.com/b/378543

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Laggy-1503/hero/27918360

150-200m budget. I'd like some more survivability/dps so that I could move up a few MPs and do public games. Besides "keep crafting for better gloves/amulet", any tips? Thanks <3




Regarding your skill setup:
Hm. Well I would get rid of the unforgiving Passive, and put in Superstition. I see no reason to why you would choose that as your third passive. With superstition, you will gain a nice 20% dmg resduction from elemental attack, and still get a way to earn ekstra fury if you have trouble with that. So you will gain survivability and a new way to earn fury.

I would also choose bash as a main attack to build up fury since you have a allready high attack speed. The punish rune boost your skill dmg eith 8%, per bash (stacks 3 times) making your skill deal more damage. Since its the Tornados doing most of the damage in the WW build.

Regarding your items.

You need more crit chance, since its the one earning you fury. I would get rid of that ring loyalty greed and get a new one with 3-4.5 crit chance. You also have waay too Little Little HP. Get a new chest armor asap with 100-150 str, 200-250 vit, 70 all res sockets. Try to get as close to those stats as possible, or above if your Lucky. you might be fond of the movement speed, but that chest if awefull.

You can always gain that back with a crit lacuni.

So to sum up.
Get a new crit ring, new chest to get more HP, lacuni to get back the 12% movement. plus you get some attack speed. and crit chance. I dont know if you will be able to afford all 3, but you should aim to replace those 3 first.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
May 12 2013 19:10 GMT
#4163
Yea, I kind of just threw this gear together for a few mil when I hit 60 to see if I liked barb, and haven't really touched it since.

As far as that ring, yea I had a 90 str/6crit/25CD ring on previously, but I switched out amulets and lost 250 vit and was kind of hurting for HP so I threw the EHP ring on for the time being.

New chest+lacunis definitely seems like a good first step towards upgrading. Inna's pants and high defensive stat boots too.

I'll keep an eye on the AH. Thanks guys <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
l3iRdMaN
Profile Joined February 2004
United States72 Posts
May 12 2013 19:43 GMT
#4164
you can get a cheap ammy with str and vit + 2 out of the 3 (ias, cc, cd) for relatively cheap. pants -- depth diggers are super cheap as well. id probably upgrade pants first and go from there
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
May 13 2013 05:59 GMT
#4165
http://d3up.com/b/378543

I spent 10m or so, and gained 15k dps give or take, but 100k EHP. Then I switched out Rend for Warcry, which is another 125k EHP while active.

I feel a lot more durable durable, and I certainly do more whirlwind/tornado DPS because of the extra ticks that Mempo+lacunis gave me. I moved up to mp5, and it was pretty easy, but I could definitely feel the loss of the extra DPS from rend. I was killing a decent amount slower.

I also switched out Unforgiving for Bloodthirst (which is what I normally use, I just started using Unforgiving because I was farming mp3 and didn't need the lifesteal at all). If only I could afford a good lifesteal mainhand and could use brawler

One last question: I grabbed this pair of depth diggers on the cheap (200k) just because. But would you recommend going Innas+Ice climbers instead, or just find a better pair of MS boots to go with the depth diggers? I'm sure top end Ice Climbers + Innas would be better, but I can't afford top end

Appreciate the advice given; I think it was gold well spent!
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TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 10:43:55
May 13 2013 10:42 GMT
#4166
Innas are kinda the glass cannon pants. they really dont offer much but ekstra dps. So if you feel you can spare the ehp you gain from the depth diggers, you could go for them. Though I wouldnt recommend it, since its not worth buying avarage innas imo, you should rather spend the gold on upgrading other items, and wait with the pants. Because the good innas that both give main stat and vit cost close to 2b or over (at eu)

Ice climbers are super solid. I have a WW build with only 12 movement speed (from lacuni) and I feel its def worth it. just make sure you buy one with 200 str minium, because they can roll almost 300 str with a socket. (making them over 350 str !!) so gettin under 200 str is a Waste since you are buying the boots that can roll the best stats in the game.

also make sure you get 50-90 vit. But I dont know how the AH prices look over there at the US. but they should be affordable.
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Purpose88
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany137 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 11:02:10
May 13 2013 11:00 GMT
#4167
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hadley-2309/hero/244670

d3up.com/b/516560

My problem: I get one-shooted sometimes from the Charge-Bulls in Fields of Misery or the Dark Berserkers in Halls of Agony. If I play with my Skorn I only have 3% LS and with DualWield I feel Rend lacks the power behind it.
I don't want to replace Brawler because with the new Densitiy it seems really good.
What to do about it other than farm on a lower MP?
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 13 2013 11:18 GMT
#4168
On May 13 2013 20:00 Purpose88 wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hadley-2309/hero/244670

d3up.com/b/516560

My problem: I get one-shooted sometimes from the Charge-Bulls in Fields of Misery or the Dark Berserkers in Halls of Agony. If I play with my Skorn I only have 3% LS and with DualWield I feel Rend lacks the power behind it.
I don't want to replace Brawler because with the new Densitiy it seems really good.
What to do about it other than farm on a lower MP?


how about some fury gainer? i cant imagine you having even barely enough fury for your build lol.

you seem to be a WW+sprint and HotA / Rend barb combined, try to decide for one.


Also - if you get one shottet by charge bulls with THIS GEAR, you shoudl never try out hardcore. Man, i wouldnt die ONCE in mp10 with this gear lol
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 13 2013 12:16 GMT
#4169
On May 13 2013 14:59 Keirathi wrote:
http://d3up.com/b/378543

I spent 10m or so, and gained 15k dps give or take, but 100k EHP. Then I switched out Rend for Warcry, which is another 125k EHP while active.

I feel a lot more durable durable, and I certainly do more whirlwind/tornado DPS because of the extra ticks that Mempo+lacunis gave me. I moved up to mp5, and it was pretty easy, but I could definitely feel the loss of the extra DPS from rend. I was killing a decent amount slower.

I also switched out Unforgiving for Bloodthirst (which is what I normally use, I just started using Unforgiving because I was farming mp3 and didn't need the lifesteal at all). If only I could afford a good lifesteal mainhand and could use brawler

One last question: I grabbed this pair of depth diggers on the cheap (200k) just because. But would you recommend going Innas+Ice climbers instead, or just find a better pair of MS boots to go with the depth diggers? I'm sure top end Ice Climbers + Innas would be better, but I can't afford top end

Appreciate the advice given; I think it was gold well spent!

Assuming your budget is still over 100mil...

Helm, shoulders, bracers, gloves, belt and EF are somewhat decent but far from ideal. You can get at least a Mempo with ~230str with a few adjustments (more vitality as explained below) and Lacuni with more cc.

Amulet: search for high str, ias and cc (ias and cc are both needed in almost every slot for WW)

Chest: you can probably go well over 100 vit, IK chests are pretty cheap nowadays. Don't focus on strength, 190+ costs a lot just because dps is the only thing that really matters for top barbs, but until you're paragon 100 you shouldn't care, so go for the safer and cheaper route instead (high vit).

Rings: if you play at high MP, the hellfire is not worth it. As for the other ring... again, str/cc/ias are your priorities. I would buy a Wailing Host with str, 8%ias and another useful stat (avg damage, physical res, armor...) due to its bonus vs elites which is really useful for WW barbs.

Pants: rare pants with str, 200+ vit, 70res and 2 sockets.

Boots: either IK boots with 150+str or (since your survivability should be ok) Fire Walkers with 230+str and 60+res. Zunimassa's Trail with str and res is a nice alternative but it may be expensive unless you have time to check costantly 1d11h auctions.

Offhand: search for a sword with str, ~60%cd, socket and life steal. With ~50mil you should get a decent one (around 1000dps IIRC).

Ryukku
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore545 Posts
May 13 2013 12:19 GMT
#4170
Hi barbs, im looking for someone to carry me through MP10 ubers. Anyone still run this service?
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 12:38:34
May 13 2013 12:34 GMT
#4171
On May 13 2013 20:00 Purpose88 wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hadley-2309/hero/244670

d3up.com/b/516560

My problem: I get one-shooted sometimes from the Charge-Bulls in Fields of Misery or the Dark Berserkers in Halls of Agony. If I play with my Skorn I only have 3% LS and with DualWield I feel Rend lacks the power behind it.
I don't want to replace Brawler because with the new Densitiy it seems really good.
What to do about it other than farm on a lower MP?

Your EHP seem decent, so I assume you get one-shotted at Mp10, am I right? Life steal has nothing to do with that, the only thing that can save you is War Cry - and maybe a bit of dexterity wherever you can (I'm at almost 900dex!).

Otherwise, for general survivability you should use Rend/Bloodlust, although it doesn't solve the issue of burst damage.


Also, get a Mempo with 230+ str and pants with 70+ res.
spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
May 13 2013 15:53 GMT
#4172
what is my next cheapest upgrade: us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zero-12726/hero/30439268
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 13 2013 17:33 GMT
#4173
On May 13 2013 20:00 Purpose88 wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hadley-2309/hero/244670

d3up.com/b/516560

My problem: I get one-shooted sometimes from the Charge-Bulls in Fields of Misery or the Dark Berserkers in Halls of Agony. If I play with my Skorn I only have 3% LS and with DualWield I feel Rend lacks the power behind it.
I don't want to replace Brawler because with the new Densitiy it seems really good.
What to do about it other than farm on a lower MP?

your EF could by stronger, but other than that, your gear is ok. your ehp in particular seems very good. your problem is your skill setup: you try to copy what kingkongor is doing, but his build only works with gear that is not from this world... unless you can spend 20b on items, dont even think of this build....

if i were you, i would replace hota with warcry impunity. this is assuming that you can handle playing without fury generator. if you cant, then replace it with a fury generator instead.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 13 2013 19:12 GMT
#4174
On May 14 2013 00:53 spena wrote:
what is my next cheapest upgrade: us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zero-12726/hero/30439268

Probably a better sword and Inna's pants with 9%ias.

Purpose88
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany137 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 20:19:41
May 13 2013 20:12 GMT
#4175
On May 14 2013 02:33 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 20:00 Purpose88 wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hadley-2309/hero/244670

d3up.com/b/516560

My problem: I get one-shooted sometimes from the Charge-Bulls in Fields of Misery or the Dark Berserkers in Halls of Agony. If I play with my Skorn I only have 3% LS and with DualWield I feel Rend lacks the power behind it.
I don't want to replace Brawler because with the new Densitiy it seems really good.
What to do about it other than farm on a lower MP?

your EF could by stronger, but other than that, your gear is ok. your ehp in particular seems very good. your problem is your skill setup: you try to copy what kingkongor is doing, but his build only works with gear that is not from this world... unless you can spend 20b on items, dont even think of this build....

if i were you, i would replace hota with warcry impunity. this is assuming that you can handle playing without fury generator. if you cant, then replace it with a fury generator instead.


The skillset is not the problem. I only tried that one run because I never used HotA before. I either play with Bash and DualWield or Rend with Skorn - both with Overpower-KillingSpree.
The D3up should show my Build with Skorn.
I just don't want to get a new Weapon because I don't really know if to go for Dualwield or Skorn. Skorn is just terrible to kill Elites, I just can't get 5 NV stacks fast without WotB running out.


If I just skip Festering Woods and just farm Field of Miesery and Weeping Hallow the run is really good - but I don't think its worth it to farm without 4+ NV stacks.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
May 14 2013 00:17 GMT
#4176
On May 14 2013 05:12 Purpose88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 02:33 Black Gun wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:00 Purpose88 wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hadley-2309/hero/244670

d3up.com/b/516560

My problem: I get one-shooted sometimes from the Charge-Bulls in Fields of Misery or the Dark Berserkers in Halls of Agony. If I play with my Skorn I only have 3% LS and with DualWield I feel Rend lacks the power behind it.
I don't want to replace Brawler because with the new Densitiy it seems really good.
What to do about it other than farm on a lower MP?

your EF could by stronger, but other than that, your gear is ok. your ehp in particular seems very good. your problem is your skill setup: you try to copy what kingkongor is doing, but his build only works with gear that is not from this world... unless you can spend 20b on items, dont even think of this build....

if i were you, i would replace hota with warcry impunity. this is assuming that you can handle playing without fury generator. if you cant, then replace it with a fury generator instead.


The skillset is not the problem. I only tried that one run because I never used HotA before. I either play with Bash and DualWield or Rend with Skorn - both with Overpower-KillingSpree.
The D3up should show my Build with Skorn.
I just don't want to get a new Weapon because I don't really know if to go for Dualwield or Skorn. Skorn is just terrible to kill Elites, I just can't get 5 NV stacks fast without WotB running out.


If I just skip Festering Woods and just farm Field of Miesery and Weeping Hallow the run is really good - but I don't think its worth it to farm without 4+ NV stacks.


You would need an attack speed skorn i believe? Skorn without attack speed are hard to keep WotB up with. With a 1.11 attack speed Skorn you should be able to do it, but will have trouble with kiting mobs, and sometimes single targets. But you might need 5-6 crit in your helmet. not sure if you have enough as it is with a skorn.

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jqq
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia31 Posts
May 14 2013 05:59 GMT
#4177
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Jqq-6953/hero/14305031

i have about 350m to spend right now, looking for upgrades, not really sure where i should look though, i did pick up a cheap andy's and zuni's, they're about +20k dps together, but those tank my survivability by quite a bit.
also if i were to switch to dual 1h how do i find weapons that wont' tank my dps by much, it seems that whatever i put into d3up i'm coming up with a dps loss with my 350m budget
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 14 2013 10:34 GMT
#4178
On May 14 2013 14:59 jqq wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Jqq-6953/hero/14305031

i have about 350m to spend right now, looking for upgrades, not really sure where i should look though, i did pick up a cheap andy's and zuni's, they're about +20k dps together, but those tank my survivability by quite a bit.
also if i were to switch to dual 1h how do i find weapons that wont' tank my dps by much, it seems that whatever i put into d3up i'm coming up with a dps loss with my 350m budget

If you don't need life steal, Echoing Fury + a good offhand should be on par with you current setup.

With 350mil you can replace a lot of stuff...

Mempo with more strength (if you don't mind losing the pickup radius)

IK gloves with 9%ias and 9.5/10%cc, or maybe try crafting some

IK chest with more strength

better rings, str/cc/ias/avg.damage, although damage modifiers scale better with dual wield

Inna's pants with str/vit or 150+vit if needed (like, if you want to replace your boots)

Boots... zuni with str and 50res


KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
May 14 2013 14:09 GMT
#4179
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goofy-1734/hero/33177363

I really want to take this barb to 400k+ dps


What do I need to make that happen? No suggestion is out of my price range, I have absolutely nothing to do in D3 but buy my character new clothes.


Thanks for your help!
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 16:25:25
May 14 2013 16:22 GMT
#4180
On May 14 2013 23:09 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goofy-1734/hero/33177363

I really want to take this barb to 400k+ dps


What do I need to make that happen? No suggestion is out of my price range, I have absolutely nothing to do in D3 but buy my character new clothes.


Thanks for your help!

ik helm with 6 cc for short term upgrade, crit mempo in the long run.
lacunis with similar stats, but 5.5 or 6 cc
trifecta gloves or at least ones with 9.5+ cc and 45+ cd
witching hour and ice climbers instead of ik belt and boots
better rings: either two rare ones with nice stats or one rare plus a nice cd or ias unity, depending on how much ias you need to reach a good breakpoint
more vit and armor on pants. not a dps suggestion, but would help your ehp a lot. same goes for vit roll on your ik chest.
higher cd on offhand
echoing fury as mainhand. the attack speed increase is applied to both weapons, which speeds you up greatly and thus increases both sheet dps and fury regen. then, you dont need the full ik bonus anymore.
amu has low cc and str, but it will nonetheless be hard to craft a substantially better one.


edit: sorry if Im rude now, but what the heck were you smoking when you put the marquise ruby in your chest and the perfect ruby in your helm? should have been the other way round
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