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EightyEight
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
September 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#3021
Im farming A2 pretty effectively with this setup, but im having trouble farming A3. I can do keep levels, but once i get to taking down the catapolts i get pwnt.

This is my setup:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Justin-1665/hero/1242890

any tips on simple upgrades I could do that wont hit the pocket hard? I don't play very often (more of a sc2 kinda guy) therefore my gold count is pretty low. I guess another question is, should I simply farm A2 until I have the money to upgrade to A3, or farm keep levels in A3?

thank you for any advice/tips!
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 14 2012 17:10 GMT
#3022
Impunity is reduced to give 20% bonus resistances instead now:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/7155884/Dev_Journal_Defensive_Bonuses_and_Monster_Damage-9_14_2012
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 14 2012 17:22 GMT
#3023
note though:
However, we're also reducing incoming damage in Inferno, so players will actually come out ahead. In short the plan is:
Reduce the effectiveness of select defensive skills
Reduce monster damage by more than the mitigation lost by these skills
Putting both changes together, players actually take less damage than before


so overall we should be taking 'less' damage, it's just making it so that warcry/impunity won't be as mandatory. (87.1% of all barbs use warcry/impunity).

They're also changing leap/iron impact. now it's going to provide 100% armor per target hit, instead of a flat 300%. This can be a nerf if you use it mostly to escape, but a buff if you use it to engage. more situational now.

we'll have to play around with it to see, but if what they say is true with 25% nerf to inferno difficulty damage, than it should end up being an overall buff to all classes, even despite the 'huge nerf'.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 14 2012 17:29 GMT
#3024
i think more people are gonna go the alkaizer way and drop warcry for rend...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 14 2012 17:30 GMT
#3025
On September 15 2012 01:50 EightyEight wrote:
Im farming A2 pretty effectively with this setup, but im having trouble farming A3. I can do keep levels, but once i get to taking down the catapolts i get pwnt.

This is my setup:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Justin-1665/hero/1242890

any tips on simple upgrades I could do that wont hit the pocket hard? I don't play very often (more of a sc2 kinda guy) therefore my gold count is pretty low. I guess another question is, should I simply farm A2 until I have the money to upgrade to A3, or farm keep levels in A3?

thank you for any advice/tips!

How much gold is "pretty low"? It's hard to give specific advice without any real knowledge of budget. You should farm the highest level content that you feel comfortable with (bearing in mind A3 > A4). If you are struggling, it will be better to go back and do easier content at a fast rate than do hard content slower and with deaths.

As far as your gear goes, I'd say your biggest problems are:
  • You are severely lacking crit. What is your crit chance? You have no crit chance on your rings, bracers or helm (and the crit chance that IS present on your gloves and amulet is only a modest amount). Crit is the key to keeping this build rolling (supplimented by attack speed), so I expect you will be having fury issues? Death is swift when you are not sprinting/whirlwinding - if you frequently have to stop due to fury issues you will be vulnerable
  • You have no speed on boots. 12% movement speed (ideally 24%) make it much easier to generate tornadoes with sprint


If I were you, I would....
  • #1 Replace your helm, bracers, and both rings for items that have crit%. If you have extra money, you can additionally grab attack speed. Critical hit damage in these slots should be ignored until you have a huge budget (and can afford crit%, attack speed AND crit dam)
  • Replace your offhand with one with better stats, eg 900+ LOH. You can completely ignore the DPS of your offhand because its contribution to your overall damage is negligible (don't worry if your character sheet DPS goes down with the change - it doesn't know squat)
  • Get 12% movement speed boots
  • Get pants with All Resist


You should adjust your skills, too - Whirlwind with 'hurricane' rune is preferential because you can continue to spawn sprint's tornadoes with greater ease. I would recommend you change your enchantress so that she gives you 3% attack speed, instead of her charm spell.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
September 14 2012 18:00 GMT
#3026
found many valuable legendaries in the past 2 days, (witching hour and nat chest/boots/ring with really high rolls) and bought a lot of gears with plenty leftover!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163

got about 30k more dps and a bit more resists, what should I upgrade/replace next, feels like I sacrificed a bit too much survivability, I occasionally get bursted down by succubus/phasebeast combination now.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 14 2012 18:22 GMT
#3027
On September 15 2012 03:00 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
found many valuable legendaries in the past 2 days, (witching hour and nat chest/boots/ring with really high rolls) and bought a lot of gears with plenty leftover!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163

got about 30k more dps and a bit more resists, what should I upgrade/replace next, feels like I sacrificed a bit too much survivability, I occasionally get bursted down by succubus/phasebeast combination now.

its quite easy: you need more life, something like 40k. 27k is just too low, as you experience right now.

the piece that i like the least are the shoulders. i would get shoulders with 150-200 str, 60-100 vita, 50+ res and 9+% life. so you would sacrifice some minor amount of strength and res for muuuuch more life.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 14 2012 22:58 GMT
#3028
Its my turn to ask questions:D

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ace-2540/hero/2615912
30m budget right now. After i see 1.05 buff and new "playersx" mode i don't know what to do. Should i upgrade anything? or wait and see. Also if you see weak spots on my gear please tell me.

(Btw i love my +10k health globe bonus. Thats the easiest way to increase survival.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 15 2012 01:50 GMT
#3029
On September 15 2012 07:58 Aceace wrote:
Its my turn to ask questions:D

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ace-2540/hero/2615912
30m budget right now. After i see 1.05 buff and new "playersx" mode i don't know what to do. Should i upgrade anything? or wait and see. Also if you see weak spots on my gear please tell me.

(Btw i love my +10k health globe bonus. Thats the easiest way to increase survival.

your crit chance is rather low. i would probably get an amu with cc on it if i were you.
your chest armor and pants have rather low stats. you can quite easily get ones with similar res and more stats.

other than that, i dont see a glaring weakness in your gear. but maybe it would be better to get nerves of steel, superstition or tough as nails instead of boon of bul-kathos. boon is a passive for high-end barbs whose gear is so great that the most limiting factor to the speed of their runs is movementspeed, so that increasing the uptime of wotb with its 20% MS bonus actually makes a difference. with your current gear level, you are rather far away from that.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 15 2012 16:19 GMT
#3030
Hi everybody!!! I wasn't able to play D3 since June(before RMAH), I was at A2 Inferno with my Barbarian. Now I want to catch up with all the things that have been going on for the last 3 months. As I am lazy and don't want to read more than 100 pages .

Could you guys link/tell me those noticeable things that I need to know. Such as what build is popular right now etc...

Thanks in advance.
Terran
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
September 15 2012 19:05 GMT
#3031
On September 16 2012 01:19 Caphe wrote:
Hi everybody!!! I wasn't able to play D3 since June(before RMAH), I was at A2 Inferno with my Barbarian. Now I want to catch up with all the things that have been going on for the last 3 months. As I am lazy and don't want to read more than 100 pages .

Could you guys link/tell me those noticeable things that I need to know. Such as what build is popular right now etc...

Thanks in advance.


Look at any of the profiles linked in the last three pages, those will all contain the WW build. Pretty much standard for Barbs right now. Best available at least.
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Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
September 16 2012 01:09 GMT
#3032
Trying to decide between an offhand upgrade right now

1)
752 dps
1.61 atksp (+7% atkspeed)
434 loh
2.6% lifesteal
90 critdmg
os

vs

2)
205 dps
1.5 atkspeed
237 str
141 dex
113 vit
806 loh
85 critdmg
os


I know offhand dmg isn't worth all that much, but it's still quite the difference, the faster attack speed as well. But the other offhand has 236 str, also quite a bit of dex/vit as well. Which one would yield actual more dps?
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 16 2012 01:43 GMT
#3033
http://theasiangamer.com/d3-damage-calculator/

Use this
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
September 16 2012 02:01 GMT
#3034
On September 16 2012 10:43 Aceace wrote:
http://theasiangamer.com/d3-damage-calculator/

Use this


That only gives character sheet dps, I meant like actual gameplay dps, since nado doesn't use offhand weapon damage but its attack speed.
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 16 2012 02:19 GMT
#3035
At right of that page there is damage stat details. When you look explanation you'll understand.

For example My overall character sheet dps is 46k, Main dmg hit is 50k. So i don't care about character sheet dps too. Main dmg hit x Attacks per sec = Main hand dps.

If I'm wrong someone please correct me
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 02:49:52
September 16 2012 02:41 GMT
#3036
On September 15 2012 03:00 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
found many valuable legendaries in the past 2 days, (witching hour and nat chest/boots/ring with really high rolls) and bought a lot of gears with plenty leftover!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163

got about 30k more dps and a bit more resists, what should I upgrade/replace next, feels like I sacrificed a bit too much survivability, I occasionally get bursted down by succubus/phasebeast combination now.

Man my dps is SO much lower and it seems all of my stats except for my MH weapon damage are higher including 500 strength what am I doing wrong =[
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 04:24:08
September 16 2012 04:12 GMT
#3037
On September 16 2012 10:09 Toadily wrote:
Trying to decide between an offhand upgrade right now

1)
752 dps
1.61 atksp (+7% atkspeed)
434 loh
2.6% lifesteal
90 critdmg
os

vs

2)
205 dps
1.5 atkspeed
237 str
141 dex
113 vit
806 loh
85 critdmg
os


I know offhand dmg isn't worth all that much, but it's still quite the difference, the faster attack speed as well. But the other offhand has 236 str, also quite a bit of dex/vit as well. Which one would yield actual more dps?



oh, thats a tough question. ill try to find an approximate answer without using calculators or knowing your exact stats. both have about the same amount of critdam and a socket, so this is irrelevant for the comparison. lets assume you have 1900 strength without the offhand, so that the increase (expressed as a factor) in damage from 237 str is 2237/2000 = 1.1185 = 11.85%. (im using an equal sign here but mean "is equivalent to".) if you have a different amount of strength, the compuation goes accordingly.

now to the effect of the higher attack speed on the first one on the nado damage: half of all nados will have the speed of the offhand, which in that case is 1.61/1.5 = 1.0733 = 7.33% higher. so on average, the tornados will do 7.33/2 = 3.66% more damage because of that, while they do 11.85% more damage with the second offhand.

now to the damage of attacks other than the nados: here, 50% of the damage comes from the mainhand (affected by strength only) and 50% from the offhand (huge difference here). additionally, various tests have shown that about 80% of the overall damage of ww/sprint barbs comes from the tornados. using all these figures, we get the following:

weapon 2:

1.1185*(0.8*mainhand dam + 0.2* ( 0.5*mainhand dam + 0.5*offhand dam)) =
1.1185*(0.9*mainhand dam + 0.1*offhand2 dam)

weapon 1:


1.0366*0.8*mainhand dam + 0.1*mainhand dam + 0.1*offhand1 dam



now we have two formulas that depend only on the mainhand damage, so you can solve, e.g., for which values of the mainhand dam the second offhand would be better. i have done this with some software and the result is that the second weapon (205 dps, 237 str) is better for all mainhands with a dps of 707 or higher. if you have less than 1900 str without the offhand, than the comparison is even more in favor of offhand #2. so most likely, offhand #2 is better damagewise. and it also offers some vita, so thats nice aswell.



"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
September 16 2012 04:15 GMT
#3038
People here need to start using D3rawr.com it's a godsend
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 16 2012 04:38 GMT
#3039
Wow, the game has become so much easier than it was before. I was at ACT 3 Inferno 3 weeks after release, have to stop playing for like 3 months.
Before I cheesed my way through ACT 2(skipped many elites) but now ACT 2 was just a breeze with the same old items I got 3 months ago. Still use the ancient build based on revenge, and it feels so much easier already.

Terran
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 16 2012 04:50 GMT
#3040
On September 16 2012 13:38 Caphe wrote:
Wow, the game has become so much easier than it was before. I was at ACT 3 Inferno 3 weeks after release, have to stop playing for like 3 months.
Before I cheesed my way through ACT 2(skipped many elites) but now ACT 2 was just a breeze with the same old items I got 3 months ago. Still use the ancient build based on revenge, and it feels so much easier already.


true dat. i dont really like it - its neither good game design nor promoting build diversity when all the endgame builds are about nothing else than movement speed. every 3rd post in the wizard thread is whine about the disadvantage that wizards got compared to barbs or dhs because they dont have an equally good skill for moving around quickly. not to speak about monks or even wds. the wizards at least got teleport with wormhole for some speedup.
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