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jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 08:30:01
November 05 2012 08:27 GMT
#4021
On November 05 2012 17:20 Henrik.Roikjer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 16:59 jESUIT wrote:
On November 05 2012 16:29 Henrik.Roikjer wrote:
Hi !

Im atm doing the Crit Mass build,
and I want to know if its still the good build ?

Atm its more of a party build,
but I wanted to know if there is any other build thats suits "soloing" better ?

As said, im doing crit mass build, and I like the build.
But how is the gear?
Is there anything I need to change ?
- Well I know there is, but what ^_^

Btw, i have been looking into the chanto 1hand. But which is better ?
The one with the att speed, or the socket one ?

and yea, my gear, any sugestions so it can become even better ? =)

Link to my Wizzard:
DidrikEX

Thanks in advance !


It is a great party build that's for sure..but it can be much more then that.
In all honesty the best build for soloing MP1-3 is Archon build there is nothing faster for a Wiz i swap to this just for that purpose.
Now in terms of soloing MP4-10 CM/WW is best/fastest if u have high dps.

Well gear wize...In order for this build to work to the best of it's ability, You should focus on very fast ias + high cc. You should have ias on every single piece of gear you can squeeze it on w/o sacraficing too much defense. The only problem with this CM/WW build is that it's extremely expensive to get very high dps w/ very high cc w/ very high dps lol.

So in your case if you do want to get chantodos Will...the 1 w/ ias is better for u and a lot cheaper..a socketed one can be somewhat expensive.

First, upgrade ur gems...That's an ez one. Star's cost maybe 500k tops.
Helm: cc stormcrow...best way 2 go don't change that 1
Shoulders: Vile wards are great choice. You could squeeze some vit on here but that's when they start becoming expensive.
Amulet: Nice good high cc, see if you can find 1 w/ IAS on there I am not sure of jewerly prices these days.
Gloves: Perfect trifecta you can never go wrong. Prolly the last piece of gear that you will upgrade.
Chest: Tal's chest is perfect for the build but wow can you use a huge upgrade w/ it if you wanted. But that's when they become expensive. Even one w/ like 140int/90vit/50AR would be extremely helpful though in raising DPS + vit.
Bracers: High CC that's great, has good vit you def need that! Low AR but it's okay. I wouldn't upgrade these if ur gold % is low.
Belt: I know on US servers, a belt like this 140int/140vit/80AR is only like 5-10m since I sold one last week. I don't know ur gold amount but upgrading this belt might be a little pricey for you but AR will help you drastically w/ survability if u choose not go w/ a Witching Hour.
Pants: Perfect, high vit + high AR, can't go better. When your able to sacrafice some defense, innas temperance are the best pants in my opinion for this build.
Rings: Nice high cc, +avg dmg, good for raising dps. I am not sure of ur current attacks per second speed though. One of these might be better replaced w/ a high cc + atk speed % ring though just for the little extra umph.
Boots: Will def do the job. Not really needed to upgrade at this time.
Source: Will get the job done, in future when you get some gold if u want, Chantodos Force w/ APOC is best source in the game for CM Wiz in my opinion esp if u go w/ Chantodos Will
Weapon: def need of replacement, even a Wizardspike I feel would be better used then this weapon. High dps but extremely too slow and no arcane on crit? Not worth it one bit, this is ur biggest problem right here.



So basicly im only at 2 mil now.

To sum up what you said, its the weapon I need to fix first.
Wizardspike is quite cheap, but wouldnt I go way down in dps ?

And should I just save up for a chanto 1handed instead ?


Are you having problems surviving right now?? In like lets say MP1-2 if not..then I would just stick with what you got and save up. You will lose dps most likely if u swap to chantodos w/out a socket also but keep in mind. Paper dps is somewhat of a false reading.
edit: As stated earlier by ximae,
As weird as it sounds you are doing more damage at 2.74aps 50%cc with 60k dps than at 2.51aps 45% with 80k dps, more ap back wich means more twisters while u get more cm procs which accelerate ur booms amd shards and more sa procs, which means more effective dps even though ur paper dps is smaller. I have actually switched my high int stormcrow for a cc one, lost 3k dps but im actually killing stuff faster because that extra 4.5cc.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
Henrik.Roikjer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark52 Posts
November 05 2012 09:12 GMT
#4022
Okay.
I will save up then.
The next weapon will be a chantos will i guess =)
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jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 05 2012 10:55 GMT
#4023
On November 05 2012 18:12 Henrik.Roikjer wrote:
Okay.
I will save up then.
The next weapon will be a chantos will i guess =)


Okay but yes I usually recommend 99% of the time always have a Wizspike + Stormcrow it's like the ultimate foolproof starter kit for this build
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
kes
Profile Joined November 2011
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 13:39:07
November 05 2012 13:09 GMT
#4024
Hi. Recently i came back to D3 to see, if game gets to me again or if i should just find another thing to bump my time in. I took a fresh new start with my wiz, reprioritized stats i was looking for and this came up:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Waritko-2774/hero/7067735
i stopped stacking CD and int, went more like for ias, cc, ar and loh. now i am at 1.91 aps, 36,5% cc (most of time soloing with scoundrel with +3cc), 700 all res, 42k hp, 950 loh, 3600 armor, 50k dmg.
what i would want to know is in what order should i look for items and with what stats? (i work on budget, never dropped anything worth more than few M, now have 8M, i "make" money by selling 200k worth items ) i know my jewelery is really bad, i just bought some cc/loh rings and cc/ias amul to see, how it works now. boots are without ms, it was my choice as it has always been expensive as hell back then. sockets on chest/pants are luxury with my budget too. i know about general advices like nice iceclimbers/zuni boots, innas pant for ias, tal rasha chest for ias etc. etc. but those applies to people, who can afford it. i already spent like 30M in upgrades, which didnt get me that far (i know, i hate browsing AH and sometime i do really bad purchase).
thanks in advance

edit: should i go back to wizardspike for more ias? or buy chantodo wand? then i would need to change my source, as no set/uniq weapon is black. chantodo source with apoc is out of my budget, tr source has no ias. should i try find nice slorak with ww bonus? (i have semi decent oculus source, which i could use instead of my current triumvirate in case of non black weapon)
JacobDaKung
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Sweden132 Posts
November 05 2012 13:38 GMT
#4025
Hey,
I'm a noob wizard and im unsure of what to upgrade next, im thinkning of new gloves with AR to be able to farm for a talrashas relentless pursuit. Any ideas ?
My profile :
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Stork-2663/hero/72265
Silahsor
Profile Joined January 2011
Turkey59 Posts
November 05 2012 16:02 GMT
#4026
Forget All Resist on gloves, too expensive. Your gloves are fine, maybe just some INT.

You are using Triumvirate with a non-black weapon, i.e. holy damage on it. Although your wand has insane CHD, look for a black weapon without any elemental / holy damage on it (with more DPS if possible). Just buy a cheap black weapon with socket and check the difference.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 05 2012 16:08 GMT
#4027
At least on the US server, good boots are really cheap these days, I guess since everyone is saving up for Zunimassa's trail. Anyway, I see boots with 140 int, 50 vit, 70 AR and 12% movespeed for under 6 million, so if you have the money, that movespeed will really improve your overall farming speed.

If you find that you are surviving decently, you should definitely consider switching from prismatic armor to pinpoint barrier. That 5% crit chance is really huge, especially given your low overall crit chance.

AR on gloves is pretty expensive. I would focus more on raising your attack speed and crit chance to make the build work better. Although you have a sick damage roll on that ring with 4.5% crit chance, I would try and switch it out for something with both attack speed and crit chance. Also, relentless pursuits with high vit but no AR aren't that expensive, so if you have the money you could switch out to that right now. I'm running around with only 550 AR and doing fine on MP 6-7 since I have enough attack speed, crit chance, and movespeed.

Lastly, you should consider moving to a chantodo's will for the IAS boost. Ones without AP on crit aren't that expensive, and the build works fine with 18-20 AP on Crit as long as you have enough crit chance and attack speed.

Good luck!

On November 05 2012 22:38 JacobDaKung wrote:
Hey,
I'm a noob wizard and im unsure of what to upgrade next, im thinkning of new gloves with AR to be able to farm for a talrashas relentless pursuit. Any ideas ?
My profile :
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Stork-2663/hero/72265

JacobDaKung
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Sweden132 Posts
November 05 2012 16:32 GMT
#4028
thanks for the answers! My main problem for me is survivability thus im trying to up the vit and AR.
Why is black weapon better, i have little to none understanding of the mechanics of the game.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 05 2012 16:51 GMT
#4029
First of all, it's not just the color of the weapon, since legendaries that have elemntal damage are black. It's a little complicated, but basically items that have "bonus elemental damage" like stormcrow, triumvirate, or Zunimassa's trail base the bonus damage on the raw damage you do, not including elemental damage bonuses on weapons, so you want a weapon that just does physical damage if possible. For the freeze/ww build, I generally would say not to worry about it since you're not so much concerned with damage as you are with crit chance/attack speed. But if you're doing a high dps archon build for example, it makes a huge difference.

This spreadsheet does the calculations correctly, plus it pulls your items from your profile, so very convenient. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6490009675
JacobDaKung
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Sweden132 Posts
November 05 2012 17:58 GMT
#4030
once again, thanks !
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
November 05 2012 20:59 GMT
#4031
So, I have 5.5 mil to spend, and was wondering what some of you thought I should/can upgrade with that:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Krazy-1277/hero/862063

I'm finally at a point where I can clear MP2 effectively and rather quickly, so I'm happy with that, and maybe I should just keep saving up. Anyway, interested to hear some of your thoughts.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
November 05 2012 21:56 GMT
#4032
Check the stats on your current ammy against a cheap 6% Tal's; my DPS got a big boost from mine for only 5mil or so.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
November 05 2012 22:36 GMT
#4033
Eh, any Tal Rasha's ammy with crit is ridiculously expensive
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
November 06 2012 02:14 GMT
#4034
Yep, but you're not running CM, so losing a little crit isn't a huge deal for you. I mean, don't do it if it's not a dps increase, but check it. Those things roll a LOT of int in addition to the CD and +elem%.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 06 2012 04:09 GMT
#4035
I would actually upgrade your boots to some with similar stats and high AR. I think those run around 5-7 million. Then in the future, with your better defense you can get gloves with higher DPS (crit chance and damage, or crit chance and IAS) and less or no AR, or switch your belt to a witching hour which is a ridiculous damage boost.

KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 04:20:13
November 06 2012 04:19 GMT
#4036
On November 06 2012 13:09 alQahira wrote:
I would actually upgrade your boots to some with similar stats and high AR. I think those run around 5-7 million. Then in the future, with your better defense you can get gloves with higher DPS (crit chance and damage, or crit chance and IAS) and less or no AR, or switch your belt to a witching hour which is a ridiculous damage boost.



That's kind of what I'm leaning towards. What's the lowest AR I should settle for on boots?

I would love a good witching hour but they're so pricey haha
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
November 06 2012 11:33 GMT
#4037
http://eu.battle.net/d3/fr/profile/wintermute-2911/hero/5101596

hi again.

almost 100k dps, just drop some nice Mempo (better than my old stormcrow) and buy decent boots.

i'm not sure what to upgrade next.
I cant find an affordable better ring than my 72 Int 9% aSpeed and 4.5% CC.

Got 15 M to spend, but all rings or weapons that are clearly better cost much more than that on EU.

any idea ?
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
Silahsor
Profile Joined January 2011
Turkey59 Posts
November 06 2012 12:07 GMT
#4038
Change your weapon. Keep the existing on in inventory for Reflect Damage swap. Find a non-elemental one. I would be looking for Sword / Wand / Dagger / Axe with no elemental damage on it + CHD 50% + Soket. Do not spend more than 5M at this moment.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
November 06 2012 15:08 GMT
#4039
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/23424110

Pretty new to my wiz but I am really enjoying it. If I wanted to be able to play MP6+ ubers, what pieces should I focus on and/or how much gold would I need to invest? I have 90m but I would prefer to not spend every penny on just my wiz.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
November 06 2012 15:09 GMT
#4040
Back for more tips. Switched to archon build, running alkaizers route on mp2 usually, still switching to permafreeze for higher mp farm and ubers.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HornyHerring-1491/hero/143839

26 mil in the bank.
oh, hai
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