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Zyrnak
Profile Joined February 2011
United States179 Posts
October 21 2012 10:53 GMT
#3841
Your main problem is that your gear sucks. I'd also swap out explosive blast for an armor skill. You don't want a close ranged skill when you're doing a kite build like blizzhydra. Crafting is also rarely worthwhile. Your aren't really stacking the wrong stats so much as your gear just is lacking. I'd see if you can contact any EU players willing to give you a few bits. I'm on NA and I regularly vendor better stuff than what you got. Once you got a bit better gear and get into Act 3, doing Keeps and Crater runs should get you a good chunk of xp and loot.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 17:31:21
October 21 2012 17:31 GMT
#3842
Kiwi also has 1600 life regen, which certainly helps a ton with all the mitigation he has. In some sense it is a version of the early force armor builds, where low HP, ridiculously high mitigation (armor and resists and block) let your lifesteal + regen gain be extremely potent as a percentage of your overall EHP.


On October 21 2012 07:16 KiWiKaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 03:29 Black Gun wrote:
On October 20 2012 23:28 KiWiKaKi wrote:
I present to you, the fastest grinding archon build

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KiWiKaKi-1276/hero/51061

Scramble storm armor combined with archon teleport makes run so fast that its unbelieveable

but how do you survive with only 23k hp and no defensive armor spell? dont you get destroyed in 2 shots by pretty much any elite?



I am using a shield dear sir, and i have 1000 all resist with no buff so with archon mode i get +40% armor and resistance so 1400 all resist. I play mp2 for super fast clearing and I very rarely die.


Regulate140
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada108 Posts
October 21 2012 18:03 GMT
#3843
On October 21 2012 16:39 Sub Zero wrote:
Blood magic didn't work with archon and other channelling and dot spells pre 1.0.5, It's fixed now.


You sure about that because Venom Hydra still gets no lifesteal.
Canada
Bondator
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland120 Posts
October 21 2012 20:30 GMT
#3844
On October 22 2012 03:03 Regulate140 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 16:39 Sub Zero wrote:
Blood magic didn't work with archon and other channelling and dot spells pre 1.0.5, It's fixed now.


You sure about that because Venom Hydra still gets no lifesteal.


Hydra hasn't given you life on hit or life steal in a long time, and it's working as intended. The bullshit part is that it still reflects damage to you though.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/520440/1/Bondator/
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
October 21 2012 20:38 GMT
#3845
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TheMooseHeed-2371/hero/17449637

Got 5mil to spend on an upgrade. Any ideas?
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
October 21 2012 22:29 GMT
#3846
Uh, movement speed is capped at 25% bonus, so you're not getting the full benefit of having 3 items with 12% movespeed. That's the most obvious change. Pick one to switch out, probably the chest for a Tal Rasha's.

Also, if you're going Archon you're going to get much better damage out of something that has a socket, and crit damage on top of it so that you can get 140% crit or more.

It's pricey but you can easily find pants that have vitality in addition to AR and good intelligence, but given the value of your other gear the pants struck out as only worth a few million, while other things are worth 10 million+

Your amulet is also laughably bad given how good the rest of your gear is, especially since crit chance goes up to 10% now.

You can find belts with lower int, but a ton of vitality and/or life % so if you're having survivability issues that might help.

BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
October 21 2012 22:37 GMT
#3847
man triumvirates are goooood.

i had a pretty good source i paid 10m for back then. ~230avg dmg, 90int, 70vit, 8,5% crit etc. now bid on a fairly cheap(4,5m) triumvirate with vit , 220 int and ~205 avg dmg and it gave me a nice 10k dps boost buffed.

life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
October 22 2012 07:14 GMT
#3848
Seen alot of wizards running this build.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#VQhXYO!YgW!YZcacc

My question is why don't more people use this varitation.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#VQhXYO!YgW!YZcacc

Differences:
Swap Energy Twister (Wicked Wind) for Arcane Torrent (Death Blossom).

Goes from 252% over 6 seconds (Reliable) to 670% upon impact (unreliable). Im assuming they are roughly the same AoE.

It seems to go with the logic of port in and AoE the mobs out. Huge crowds make A.T. super powerful as almost every shot lands. Also against bosses with huge hit-boxes, alot of the A.T.'s land.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
October 22 2012 09:50 GMT
#3849
Ladies and gents, allow me to present the "storm elemental" Archon build:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Stardust-1180/hero/326910

This baby can farm mp 4 or 5 very comfortably with as little as 100k dps and some decent defensive stats.

As Kiwi already pointed out, storm armor is pretty badass right now and it spams lots of damages as you run around. With the new changes to how cc works, I also noticed that stacking lightning spells - in this case living lightning, lightning hydra and storm armor - and then using the forgotten Paralysis passive lets you permastun baddies with strobing spasms of sizzling mayhem. This shit is so much fun you won't even notice your Archon is up! Plus, the single target damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Also, the fixed blood magic is now surprisingly effective if your weapon has no life leech like mine.

My top advice right now to any poor mage looking to run Archon would actually be to buy a Skorn with int and dex, these things are retarded cheap as you can get dps as high as 1300 with 400 int and 180% base crit damage for under 20 million (wtf). Run blood magic instead of force weapon and you're good to go with a minimum investment, and the added dex scales amazingly well if you don't have too much of it already.
Bondator
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland120 Posts
October 22 2012 09:54 GMT
#3850
On October 22 2012 16:14 Jisall wrote:Differences:
Swap Energy Twister (Wicked Wind) for Arcane Torrent (Death Blossom).


That's not a minor variation. That would change how the build works entirely. Wicked wind is great, because when you throw them up there, they stay there for several seconds generating you a constant stream of crits, which in combination with CM and APOC give you spammable frost nova, diamond skin and explosive blast. While death blossom deals a good amount of damage, it's channelled. So when you're blossoming, that's the only thing you're doing, as opposed to the usual WW build, where you're exploding, freezing refreshing diamond skin all at the same time, incredibly fast.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/520440/1/Bondator/
Juissi
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland209 Posts
October 22 2012 11:42 GMT
#3851
On October 22 2012 07:37 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
man triumvirates are goooood.

i had a pretty good source i paid 10m for back then. ~230avg dmg, 90int, 70vit, 8,5% crit etc. now bid on a fairly cheap(4,5m) triumvirate with vit , 220 int and ~205 avg dmg and it gave me a nice 10k dps boost buffed.



I have a question. Triumvirate just dropped for me and even though it has worse stats than my current offhand it still boosts my damage by 5k. If i had black weapon would it boost my damage even more?
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
October 22 2012 11:59 GMT
#3852
On October 22 2012 20:42 Juissi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 07:37 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
man triumvirates are goooood.

i had a pretty good source i paid 10m for back then. ~230avg dmg, 90int, 70vit, 8,5% crit etc. now bid on a fairly cheap(4,5m) triumvirate with vit , 220 int and ~205 avg dmg and it gave me a nice 10k dps boost buffed.



I have a question. Triumvirate just dropped for me and even though it has worse stats than my current offhand it still boosts my damage by 5k. If i had black weapon would it boost my damage even more?


Yes triumvirate's add to your base damage only. A 1k dps weapon with 300 dam coming from
Elemental would be the same as a 700 black weapon
Moar banelings less qq
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
October 22 2012 13:04 GMT
#3853
On October 20 2012 06:27 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 23:20 Silahsor wrote:
On October 19 2012 20:23 jESUIT wrote:
Yeah I'm rockin archon build and I still have over 50% ias on my build for my forked lightning to cooldown archon faster with my 49% cc. I love my build it's exciting esp when I do over 2.29 attacks per second lol as a Wiz. With 160k dps


I find Living Lightning proc much better than Forked Lightning. Also easier to hit targets since you just point the direction rather than the enemy itself. You may want to give it a try.



hmm, has any consensus been reached yet about the best skill to reset archon cooldown?



It's all personal preference. But proven the 2 top ones are.
Living lightning and Either WickedWind or Mistral Breeze

I prefer living lightning because I like to kite and move around a lot. Mistral Breeze is just bleh for me it doesn't travel anywhere nor hit for as much dmg and Wicked wind is good but same as Mistral breeze. That's just my preference. I believe Mistral Breeze/WickedWind proc better then Living lightning but I don't have APOC either.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
October 22 2012 13:12 GMT
#3854
On October 20 2012 01:02 alQahira wrote:
I'd just like to point out that even though on paper I lost 14k paper dps by switching to a 930 dps wizardspike that I bought for 600k, it slowed my killing speed down by 5% at most and the increased survivability may be worth it. Will definitely use it against ubers for the improved permafreezing.

Anyway, just wanted to second the comments above about a cheap wizardspike being the key to getting started with the CM build.

While we have some strong wizards around, any upgrade advice? Obviously my source is the biggest potential upgrade, but giving up that 200 vit is going to hurt... Theoretically I think Chantodo's is the best path for me with the attack speed buff, but my god are they expensive. I have 60 million in the bank but that buys me a Chantodos with 7 APoC and like 50-150 damage.

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AlQahira-1183/hero/3305720

I also keep looking for a helm with APoC, socket crit chance, and decent int, but they are pretty rare. Now that they are getting higher crit chances on wiz helms looking forward to the supply of them going up. If only wizardspike got a random affix as well...


IMO i'd upgrade your gloves asap. You could get some real good damage out of those...or if you REALLY wanted to up your damage a nice Witching Hour would give you the most. I bought a witching hour last night that upped me 25k dps/w 17%MF, for 52m. You could use some decent ias/cc/cd gloves tho or even ias/cc, cc/cd gloves. IMO it's better for the ias/cc though because you rely on fast ias.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
October 22 2012 16:14 GMT
#3855
what happens if you get a ton of items that increases shock pulse damage and you use living lightning? Wouldnt that make living lightning pretty imbalance if you can increase it from 37% to like 60% weapon damage
ur pro or ur noob , thats life
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
October 22 2012 17:12 GMT
#3856
Kiwikaki: Well, remember it is just a damage bonus, not a weapon damage bonus. So for example a 10% shock pulse bonus damage would effectively add 3.7% (10% of 37%) weapon damage. I mean, that's still a significant boost, but it doesn't work the way you seem to think.

Jesuit: The problem with witching hour is that I give up SO much defense. I feel like witching hour is more suited to archon builds, or at least builds with even more ridiculous defense like Kiwi's. Here is my current profile. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AlQahira-1183/

Since the last post I finally got a decent source, and added even more survivability on my belt, and am experimenting with andariel's as a helm, but will probably go back to stormcrow. Now that I added some extra defense on the belt, I can probably afford to give up some of the vitality on the gloves and get some IAS on there. Will definitely look into that, thanks for pointing that out. I'm also looking at weapons with IAS and the energy twister skill bonus, but getting decent damage and/or AP on crit with those is extremely rare.

Zyrnak
Profile Joined February 2011
United States179 Posts
October 22 2012 22:44 GMT
#3857
So what seems to be the most efficient run path for the archons out there? My current path is keeps 1-3, stonefort, crater 1, crater 2, core, azmodan. anyone found a better spot with similarly high mob density?
Gamera
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland16 Posts
October 22 2012 22:52 GMT
#3858
Hey, this is my profile:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Iuvenalis-2817/hero/1445782

I'm a quite poor Wizard, but doing whatever to make my hero better. Been playing with AO+Frost Hydra+Cold Blood for ages and got quite bored of it. I'm not a fan of CM Twister build either, so I had to figure out something new. I'm a type that likes to hit&run, so I created this quite good (I think) build.

Frost everything (Deep freeze at least 5 targets) -> Disintegrade (Chaos Nexus) -> Hydra -> Kite with Shock Pulse&Teleport. It's fun.

Still need some advices on my gear. It's nowhere near hi-end but as I said I'm kinda poor My healing isn't the best so I keep this armor with hi-regen, overall its 1.3k per second, not much but still it gives me some survivability. Any advices of what to change with gear that's worth less 10-20 mlns / per item?
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
October 23 2012 00:39 GMT
#3859
So I'm getting completely wrecked on anything higher than MP2, and I'm not entirely sure why.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Krazy-1277/hero/862063

Bad build? Crappier gear than I think?
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
momothedog
Profile Joined October 2012
Austria9 Posts
October 23 2012 07:57 GMT
#3860
your AR is way too low, switch glascannon for something else, get 2 more items with ar (i.e. vile ward)
armor is very low too, if u are palying storm armor u need some more defensive stats on your gear imo

get a black weapon if u use triumvirate for its full potential!
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