EPTIf I had to pick one thing it would be the bow...get one with even the same dps, but with critical hit and a socket to put an emerald in it, you can then get up to 180% crit damage for a start.
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
If I had to pick one thing it would be the bow...get one with even the same dps, but with critical hit and a socket to put an emerald in it, you can then get up to 180% crit damage for a start. | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
On June 12 2012 23:18 Perguvious wrote: I'm going to completely revamp my demon hunter after the sharpshooter NT fix, and in anticipation of 1.03. Right now I have 35k hp 45k DPS w/o SS, 250 AR. 1500 dex and 250% crit damage 15% crit chance with a 1.1kdps crossbow (no stats). I'm thinking my first step is to change my weapon type to a bow for 15% damage increase. In lieu of of crit damage I'll prioritize dex/vit/AR on most gear, while adding IAS for the items that have it. I have a 15-20 mil budget so I guess I won't be able to afford good andariel's/lacuni. I really dislike being a glass cannon and dying in 1 shot because I'm nto a very good player, so my ultimate goal is high DPS without sharpshooter with nice survivability, forgoing crit chance/damage. Before I start on this though, I'd like to hear you guys' thoughts. If you guys were in my situation (15-20 mil budget, same stats), what gear/stats would you prioritize? Here's an update on my gearing progress: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UbB02.png) I spent around 15mil overall, mostly on the quiver and bracers, both 5 mil. When before I could never get through act 3 keep without ripping my hair out, I now find that progressing is much much much easier now that I don't get one shot by everything that hits me. (things that one shot me still that aren't the easiest to avoid: soul ripper/lashers, the teleporting hulks in tower, and the underground worms that I don't notice in a fight). Blood clan spearmen sometimes one shot me but usually it's only to dangerously low HP, but it makes all the difference since I can heal/escape/kill them. It really is worth it to spend that money so you don't get one shot. A couple questions: 1. Is getting 2-3 natalya items worth it? The ring especially is off the charts expensive, and I'm not really going for crit chance/damage either (though of course, it would be nice to have). Do really rich people prefer natalya sets? 2. Prioritizing Dex/Vit/AR/IAS in that order, are there any gear out there that would benefit me? I have mixed feelings for Tal Rasha's guardianship in favor of tyrael's might, but I feel that because I already have 25% movespeed I wouldn't really need it. If I change my hammer jammer pants though (which don't give the best stats), I think I'd have to make the switch to tyrael because of the movespeed loss. Or is there a chest armor/cloak that is absolutely the best around? What movespeed do you guys feel comfortable at? | ||
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:09 dartoo wrote: ^^ Kinda low on res there, also armour. But then I dont play glass cannon dh....but isnt that pretty low crit for a what seems like a full on dps dh? If I had to pick one thing it would be the bow...get one with even the same dps, but with critical hit and a socket to put an emerald in it, you can then get up to 180% crit damage for a start. I was really aiming for anything in particular when I was getting gear, so it's just a mish-mash of anything that looked half decent when I geared up for inferno before I started act 1. Thanks though, will look for a weapon. :D | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On June 15 2012 01:25 fallingdream wrote: It's just my opinion based on the hours I spent playing my DH. I love having big damage and I do have big damage, I dislike the glasscanon builds who mass dex ias and some crit dmg to have big dps numbers with 10-12k hp. About crit chance I guess it's a matter of taste, I don't like it and I think it should be on the botton of the priority to increase DPS list. If you are using sharpshooter you should not care about crit chance, you are going to crit a lot without it, if you are not using sharpshooter for some reason then crit chance becomes important but why would you not use sharpshooter, it's a no brainer, maybe for some situational fights you could remove it but if you plan on farming you should have it. The better gear you get the worse sharpshooter gets. No because of scaling or anything like that, but simply because you kill stuff faster and crit all the time. With no downtime between mob packs and sharp resetting all the time due to random crits, it doesnt get to stack up very much. Not saying its bad, but its not as good as you're trying to make it out to be. I dropped it and cant say I miss it that much. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:48 Dasende wrote: Greetings fellow DH's, recently I've entered Inferno Act 3 (Up to Heart of Sin atm) but that's not important. I'm more or less just seeking advice on which parts of my gear I should upgrade first. I suffer from the "Make all the characters and level them all up first" syndrome so I don't have too much money to throw around so hence the advice on what I should upgrade first. Most of the gear I have I either found, or just bought cheap on auction house. X-bow was 50k, amulet was 10k etc, etc. In any case link below to my current gear. If there's anything else relevant that's missing let me know. Oh, I'm around 24k DPS w/o SS IIRC, so obviously getting a new weapon has crossed my mind but I haven't had too much trouble in advancing to this point. (Belial was a pain though...) Anyway: Image Linky I'd try to get gloves with +atsp and a chest with +discipline. Statwise your chest is better than a lot of your other slots though, so that might be an uneconomical investment, but then again additional disc is always awesome. Weapon is also of course a solid upgrade considering how much you get from just one slot. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Interesting setup. Pretty much opposite of mine :p You're all about those "extra stats" on legendaries (move speed and attack speed) while mixing them up with relatevily defensively oriented filler slots compared to what I see from most others. With the purpose to create a balanced setup I assume? I'm all about those high amount of all stats rares (both offensive and defensive stats, and lots of them), and I completely dismissed those legendaries to achieve the same goal. Interesting ^^ I will say though, I was a little surprised your dps. It was defnitely lower than I expected. What I would think is that you have too much atsp and too little of other offensive stats. As you probably know, pretty much everything scales with everything, meaning you want a balanced setup of all stats. And what I see is relatevile high atsp but with low dex and crit. I think you've come to the point where atsp scales so bad since you have so little of everything else that you probably want to drop atsp in favor of other stats. Admittedly I cant back up that with hard math facts, but thats the feeling I got looking at your gear, your dex is definitely quite low. | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
On June 15 2012 21:39 Kreb wrote: @Perguvious Interesting setup. Pretty much opposite of mine :p You're all about those "extra stats" on legendaries (move speed and attack speed) while mixing them up with relatevily defensively oriented filler slots compared to what I see from most others. With the purpose to create a balanced setup I assume? I'm all about those high amount of all stats rares (both offensive and defensive stats, and lots of them), and I completely dismissed those legendaries to achieve the same goal. Interesting ^^ I will say though, I was a little surprised your dps. It was defnitely lower than I expected. What I would think is that you have too much atsp and too little of other offensive stats. As you probably know, pretty much everything scales with everything, meaning you want a balanced setup of all stats. And what I see is relatevile high atsp but with low dex and crit. I think you've come to the point where atsp scales so bad since you have so little of everything else that you probably want to drop atsp in favor of other stats. Admittedly I cant back up that with hard math facts, but thats the feeling I got looking at your gear, your dex is definitely quite low. That was the feeling I got too. I expected the dps to be at least 45k but I guess when I bought the items I was thinking something like "ohhhhh I'll take this 100dex 100vit 50AR over 150dex 80vit 30AR". There were plenty times where I saw items for similar prices that were +50 dex -20vit -10AR, but I'd opt for the more defensive equip. Rings especially are giving me a hard time because it's damn near impossible to find a reasonably priced ring that has dex/vit/IAS/AR (the one I have right now was a lucky snipe). Thinking about it, I think I could achieve the same attack speed results if I just get a xbow, and in return trade in some IAS equips in favor of higher dex/vit/AR. Those hammer jammers will have to go, I guess (I can live with being 6% slower), in favor of better primary stats. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:59 Dasende wrote: I was really aiming for anything in particular when I was getting gear, so it's just a mish-mash of anything that looked half decent when I geared up for inferno before I started act 1. Thanks though, will look for a weapon. :D Careful with weapons. Sometimes, sockets and stuff are not worth it for the price premium they carry on the AH. I would upgrade the gloves. 183 dex is nice but you can get dex in all of your gear. Gloves can carry attack speed%, crit chance% and crit damage%. I looked for both crit chance% and crit damage% for mine. I don't know about attack speed but gloves with both crit chance and damage are not that expensive on the AH. Even with sharpshooter, don't sleep on crit chance%. Also, if you're going for survivability as well in anticipation of 1.03, mixing in some resist all gear is better than straight up vitality. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 15 2012 22:08 Perguvious wrote: That was the feeling I got too. I expected the dps to be at least 45k but I guess when I bought the items I was thinking something like "ohhhhh I'll take this 100dex 100vit 50AR over 150dex 80vit 30AR". There were plenty times where I saw items for similar prices that were +50 dex -20vit -10AR, but I'd opt for the more defensive equip. Rings especially are giving me a hard time because it's damn near impossible to find a reasonably priced ring that has dex/vit/IAS/AR (the one I have right now was a lucky snipe). Thinking about it, I think I could achieve the same attack speed results if I just get a xbow, and in return trade in some IAS equips in favor of higher dex/vit/AR. Those hammer jammers will have to go, I guess (I can live with being 6% slower), in favor of better primary stats. Rings are pretty ridiculous right now. Some people bought a lot of 71 dex/15 IAS rings from a vendor and are selling them for as low is 15k or so on the AH. Any rares that have more stats than that are easily more than 1M, even if the additional stats are crappy. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
I think we need someone smart to go through and make a slot by slot priority guide like that guy did for monks. Would be super helpful for me. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On June 15 2012 22:08 Perguvious wrote: That was the feeling I got too. I expected the dps to be at least 45k but I guess when I bought the items I was thinking something like "ohhhhh I'll take this 100dex 100vit 50AR over 150dex 80vit 30AR". There were plenty times where I saw items for similar prices that were +50 dex -20vit -10AR, but I'd opt for the more defensive equip. Rings especially are giving me a hard time because it's damn near impossible to find a reasonably priced ring that has dex/vit/IAS/AR (the one I have right now was a lucky snipe). Thinking about it, I think I could achieve the same attack speed results if I just get a xbow, and in return trade in some IAS equips in favor of higher dex/vit/AR. Those hammer jammers will have to go, I guess (I can live with being 6% slower), in favor of better primary stats. Your other offensive stats are definitely too low. My DPS is slightly higher despite having much cheaper gear. Crit chance needs work if you're not running SS, Crit DMG definitely needs to go up (easily done with weapon with socket, personally I sacc-ed about 30 DPS to get a socket and it was still a pretty good increase). Think you need more specialisation in gear, in a sense that before you go buy gear, look up what stats is a piece of equipment capable of having (taking into account legendary anomalies), then deciding if a gear slot is better spent on offensive or defensive gear. I haven't gone about farming and gearing up yet but personally I find defensive amulets to be a waste. My cheap ass blue one (250k snipe) adds 135 DEX and 65% crit damage. A rare one with crit chance and maybe some vitality / some defensive stat would do much better. Whereas items like Belts can't really help much in terms of attack other than some DEX, so I don't really mind a low DEX belt but with a crapton of defensive bonuses. GL with your DH. I'll unfortunately be stuck for at least a week since I'll be moving  | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:36 andrewlt wrote: I don't think those guides are that useful, honestly. They are usually full of extremely expensive set and unique items. What's better is to list what affixes are good for rares, which slots have those affixes and what the value ranges are. That's exactly what I meant. Did you see the thread on here about shield monks? | ||
TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:48 Dasende wrote: Greetings fellow DH's, recently I've entered Inferno Act 3 (Up to Heart of Sin atm) but that's not important. I'm more or less just seeking advice on which parts of my gear I should upgrade first. I suffer from the "Make all the characters and level them all up first" syndrome so I don't have too much money to throw around so hence the advice on what I should upgrade first. Most of the gear I have I either found, or just bought cheap on auction house. X-bow was 50k, amulet was 10k etc, etc. In any case link below to my current gear. If there's anything else relevant that's missing let me know. Oh, I'm around 24k DPS w/o SS IIRC, so obviously getting a new weapon has crossed my mind but I haven't had too much trouble in advancing to this point. (Belial was a pain though...) Anyway: Image Linky I think you're going in the right direction. Probably the biggest upgrade for you will be a glove upgrade that has IAS+high dex+crit chance+crit damage. Next will probably be something like an Andy helm. If you're going to upgrade one hero, I'd upgrade your DH, and farm with him to gear up your other characters. | ||
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spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
i dont like the hungering nether shit | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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NoBanMeAgain
United States194 Posts
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:35 Perguvious wrote: 2. Prioritizing Dex/Vit/AR/IAS in that order, are there any gear out there that would benefit me? I have mixed feelings for Tal Rasha's guardianship in favor of tyrael's might, but I feel that because I already have 25% movespeed I wouldn't really need it. If I change my hammer jammer pants though (which don't give the best stats), I think I'd have to make the switch to tyrael because of the movespeed loss. Or is there a chest armor/cloak that is absolutely the best around? What movespeed do you guys feel comfortable at? I think you paid too much for your current gear. For instance, i've only spent a few millions (2 millions i'd say) in gear, getting around 45k dps without using sharpshooter. As you might expect, if i got one single hit from a monster, i would be dead... however, this is not as diferent as other well-geared demon hunters (they get 1-2 hits and bye bye). My build is only focused on full dexterity, crit chance, and attack speed. Keep in mind that i don't have resistances nor life (i don't require them either). Tyrael armor is shit for DH... there is a level ~5x legendary cloak very useful (it provides dex, sometimes sockets, ias, etc), but as general rule, in my opinion, a cloak with sockets and dexterity is a better option. Ah, and 12% speed is more than enough imo... although i'm using tactical advantage passive skill, which is pretty useful.  | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
On June 16 2012 04:53 spacemonkey4eve wrote: So I want to upgrade my 2h xbow, and I'm looking at a budget of about 10 mil. I see I can get either 1) ~1250 dps straight 2) ~1100 dps + 50% crit dmg. I have about 25% crit chance w/o ss. Already have around 210% crit damage before wepon mod. Which route? The damage one is better. In fact, even if you had no +crit dmg gear at all the pure damage xbow would still be better. A rule of thumb for demon hunters: it is never worth getting any kind good mod (like sock, dex or crit dmg) on your weapon unless you're filthy rich (willing to spend hundreds of millions) or just happen to find a really under-priced one. P.S With those crit modifiers a 1250 dps xbow is equal to an 1156 dps xbow with +50% crit dmg, which at least on Europe, costs twice as much as the pure dps xbow. On June 16 2012 06:15 {ToT}ColmA wrote: Anyone in act3+ with some weird spec and is farming well? i dont like the hungering nether shit Try Scream Scull if you've got high attack speed. Against small targets it does the same damage as Nether (although it's fire damage) and it's great for crowd control. | ||
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