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On June 07 2012 09:26 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 08:27 superbabosheki wrote:On June 07 2012 08:10 Medrea wrote:
Can't really be a "finished" character if you have 0 passive MF. Upper tier DH roll around Inferno with 200 MF gear on all the time.
Head doesnt even have a socket >.> I press one button with autohotkey to get instant 250 mf lol. No need for a socket on helm when you will die in one hit neways >.> On June 07 2012 08:17 RLTY wrote:How do you guys feel about the IAS nerf that's coming up? I feel like a lot of us are gonna lose out on a good portion of our DPS  I don't think the nerf will be too bad, it's probably going to just give IAS diminishing returns so you can still have a pretty high amount. I would focus on crit chance a bit more to make up for any loss IAS. You swap gear for every white mob your about to kill? Magic find affects all enemies. Theres no reason not to stack MF when your already playing a class capable of killing everything on screen. At like 225 MF white mobs start dropping rares like candy.
Elites/champs/bosses only obviously. White mobs don't drop rares like candy, and when they do drop a rare it is almost always not going to be a ilvl63, the only drop I care about. It's not worth the huge loss in DPS to have a very small chance of getting a less than optimal rare from a regular mob. I'd rather clear everything quickly without dying too often due to lack of dps(DH's are pretty fucked once they are out of discipline, which is solved by bursting down elites quickly).
Sure I'd love to have a permanent 200+ mf set, but to have that and still have a high DPS capable of clearing inferno 3/4 quickly would cost 100+ mil for a full set. I'd rather just pay 500k or so for a 250+ mf set and put it on before killing loot mobs, it seems to be working pretty well so far (:
I don't buy the white mob drops rares like candy argument at all, they have such a low chance of dropping rares at 0 mf, that by tripling that chance with 200 mf, you still won't get very many.
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On June 07 2012 08:27 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 08:10 Medrea wrote:
Can't really be a "finished" character if you have 0 passive MF. Upper tier DH roll around Inferno with 200 MF gear on all the time.
Head doesnt even have a socket >.> I press one button with autohotkey to get instant 250 mf lol. No need for a socket on helm when you will die in one hit neways >.> Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 08:17 RLTY wrote:How do you guys feel about the IAS nerf that's coming up? I feel like a lot of us are gonna lose out on a good portion of our DPS I don't think the nerf will be too bad, it's probably going to just give IAS diminishing returns so you can still have a pretty high amount. I would focus on crit chance a bit more to make up for any loss IAS.
what do you mean autohotkey? like is there a way to hotkey items to put on? O_o
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On June 07 2012 10:04 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 09:26 Medrea wrote:On June 07 2012 08:27 superbabosheki wrote:On June 07 2012 08:10 Medrea wrote:
Can't really be a "finished" character if you have 0 passive MF. Upper tier DH roll around Inferno with 200 MF gear on all the time.
Head doesnt even have a socket >.> I press one button with autohotkey to get instant 250 mf lol. No need for a socket on helm when you will die in one hit neways >.> On June 07 2012 08:17 RLTY wrote:How do you guys feel about the IAS nerf that's coming up? I feel like a lot of us are gonna lose out on a good portion of our DPS I don't think the nerf will be too bad, it's probably going to just give IAS diminishing returns so you can still have a pretty high amount. I would focus on crit chance a bit more to make up for any loss IAS. You swap gear for every white mob your about to kill? Magic find affects all enemies. Theres no reason not to stack MF when your already playing a class capable of killing everything on screen. At like 225 MF white mobs start dropping rares like candy. Elites/champs/bosses only obviously. White mobs don't drop rares like candy, and when they do drop a rare it is almost always not going to be a ilvl63, the only drop I care about. It's not worth the huge loss in DPS to have a very small chance of getting a less than optimal rare from a regular mob. I'd rather clear everything quickly without dying too often due to lack of dps(DH's are pretty fucked once they are out of discipline, which is solved by bursting down elites quickly). Sure I'd love to have a permanent 200+ mf set, but to have that and still have a high DPS capable of clearing inferno 3/4 quickly would cost 100+ mil for a full set. I'd rather just pay 500k or so for a 250+ mf set and put it on before killing loot mobs, it seems to be working pretty well so far (: I don't buy the white mob drops rares like candy argument at all, they have such a low chance of dropping rares at 0 mf, that by tripling that chance with 200 mf, you still won't get very many.
Watch some high level Demon Hunters play. Loot explodes all over the screen nonstop. Yes its ilvl 63. You can get 63's from pots and basic chests. MF affects those as well.
Im just saying your DH is never "finished" until you complete the trifecta of Magic Find, Damage, and Survival. Rolling DH sort of makes survival and damage in the same category. Thats why DH is easy modo.
On June 07 2012 10:09 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 08:27 superbabosheki wrote:On June 07 2012 08:10 Medrea wrote:
Can't really be a "finished" character if you have 0 passive MF. Upper tier DH roll around Inferno with 200 MF gear on all the time.
Head doesnt even have a socket >.> I press one button with autohotkey to get instant 250 mf lol. No need for a socket on helm when you will die in one hit neways >.> On June 07 2012 08:17 RLTY wrote:How do you guys feel about the IAS nerf that's coming up? I feel like a lot of us are gonna lose out on a good portion of our DPS I don't think the nerf will be too bad, it's probably going to just give IAS diminishing returns so you can still have a pretty high amount. I would focus on crit chance a bit more to make up for any loss IAS. what do you mean autohotkey? like is there a way to hotkey items to put on? O_o
Yes with easy easy to use 3rd party programs that help you hotkey things (or macro's that hit things on your screen for you), but Blizzard has a pretty clear hardline against these things. That being said Blizzard has no practical way of punishing this.
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Can someone tell me how many life and resi i need for act3 Inferno??
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As glasscanon, nothing above base.
If you plan on tanking some hits with shadowpower/gloom instead of mobility, I'd say at least 40k/400res.
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On June 07 2012 10:15 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 10:04 superbabosheki wrote:On June 07 2012 09:26 Medrea wrote:On June 07 2012 08:27 superbabosheki wrote:On June 07 2012 08:10 Medrea wrote:
Can't really be a "finished" character if you have 0 passive MF. Upper tier DH roll around Inferno with 200 MF gear on all the time.
Head doesnt even have a socket >.> I press one button with autohotkey to get instant 250 mf lol. No need for a socket on helm when you will die in one hit neways >.> On June 07 2012 08:17 RLTY wrote:How do you guys feel about the IAS nerf that's coming up? I feel like a lot of us are gonna lose out on a good portion of our DPS I don't think the nerf will be too bad, it's probably going to just give IAS diminishing returns so you can still have a pretty high amount. I would focus on crit chance a bit more to make up for any loss IAS. You swap gear for every white mob your about to kill? Magic find affects all enemies. Theres no reason not to stack MF when your already playing a class capable of killing everything on screen. At like 225 MF white mobs start dropping rares like candy. Elites/champs/bosses only obviously. White mobs don't drop rares like candy, and when they do drop a rare it is almost always not going to be a ilvl63, the only drop I care about. It's not worth the huge loss in DPS to have a very small chance of getting a less than optimal rare from a regular mob. I'd rather clear everything quickly without dying too often due to lack of dps(DH's are pretty fucked once they are out of discipline, which is solved by bursting down elites quickly). Sure I'd love to have a permanent 200+ mf set, but to have that and still have a high DPS capable of clearing inferno 3/4 quickly would cost 100+ mil for a full set. I'd rather just pay 500k or so for a 250+ mf set and put it on before killing loot mobs, it seems to be working pretty well so far (: I don't buy the white mob drops rares like candy argument at all, they have such a low chance of dropping rares at 0 mf, that by tripling that chance with 200 mf, you still won't get very many. Watch some high level Demon Hunters play. Loot explodes all over the screen nonstop. Yes its ilvl 63. You can get 63's from pots and basic chests. MF affects those as well. Im just saying your DH is never "finished" until you complete the trifecta of Magic Find, Damage, and Survival. Rolling DH sort of makes survival and damage in the same category. Thats why DH is easy modo. Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 10:09 johnnywup wrote:On June 07 2012 08:27 superbabosheki wrote:On June 07 2012 08:10 Medrea wrote:
Can't really be a "finished" character if you have 0 passive MF. Upper tier DH roll around Inferno with 200 MF gear on all the time.
Head doesnt even have a socket >.> I press one button with autohotkey to get instant 250 mf lol. No need for a socket on helm when you will die in one hit neways >.> On June 07 2012 08:17 RLTY wrote:How do you guys feel about the IAS nerf that's coming up? I feel like a lot of us are gonna lose out on a good portion of our DPS I don't think the nerf will be too bad, it's probably going to just give IAS diminishing returns so you can still have a pretty high amount. I would focus on crit chance a bit more to make up for any loss IAS. what do you mean autohotkey? like is there a way to hotkey items to put on? O_o Yes with easy easy to use 3rd party programs that help you hotkey things (or macro's that hit things on your screen for you), but Blizzard has a pretty clear hardline against these things. That being said Blizzard has no practical way of punishing this.
upload script please  )
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On June 07 2012 10:24 fR.INDI wrote:
Can someone tell me how many life and resi i need for act3 Inferno??
As a hardcore mode player, I do not feel safe enough for all of a3 yet with my 600 all res, 43k life, 4,2k armor. Would only do it with a Barb+Monk party (then the 600 res become 1000 and the armor 5k). Even then I'd be scared of lashers and phasebeasts.  I think I can reach ~55k life with the same mitigation values by swapping 2-3 items, once I find upgrades for my weak slots (Shoulders, Helmet, Rings).
Patch without coop mob dmg increase would help a lot though.
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On June 07 2012 07:42 superbabosheki wrote:Whew, all I really need now is a better bow, gloves, and boots, then I'll consider my DH finished. 90k DPS without sharpshooter. http://i.imgur.com/apiTO.jpg
lol? the shoulders and boots are utter trash. 0% movementspeed boots on a dh, seriously?
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On June 07 2012 12:06 Black Gun wrote:lol? the shoulders and boots are utter trash. 0% movementspeed boots on a dh, seriously?
Why does DH need movement speed o_o
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Increase travel distance while stutter stepping.
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I thought the standard build was kill everything in 6 smokescreens and not moving an inch until tanking up a bit becomes viable xD
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You can't SS has a 3 second cooldown and a 1.5 second duration now.
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If you had "average" gear in all slots and were looking to spend all your money to upgrade one piece, what would it be and why?
Wondering what would be the most cost efficient upgrades to get in general. (this is not for me specificly, more a discussion question I was wondering about.)
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It's 2 seconds, and it's definitely still possible since you often don't get hit in the .5 second window because a lot of enemy attack animations take a moment to go off. But don't expect to live if you're sitting in a molten pool or a soul lasher pack.
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On June 07 2012 13:24 DeltaX wrote:
If you had "average" gear in all slots and were looking to spend all your money to upgrade one piece, what would it be and why?
Wondering what would be the most cost efficient upgrades to get in general. (this is not for me specificly, more a discussion question I was wondering about.)
Weapon should be the most potent.
On June 07 2012 13:27 starfries wrote:
It's 2 seconds, and it's definitely still possible since you often don't get hit in the .5 second window because a lot of enemy attack animations take a moment to go off. But don't expect to live if you're sitting in a molten pool or a soul lasher pack.
and even if they do you should have a reasonable chance to dodge it.
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On June 07 2012 13:24 DeltaX wrote:
If you had "average" gear in all slots and were looking to spend all your money to upgrade one piece, what would it be and why?
Wondering what would be the most cost efficient upgrades to get in general. (this is not for me specificly, more a discussion question I was wondering about.)
I think weapon and dex pieces give the most linear upgrades. It's really cheap to pick up blue attack speed+dex jewelry, but it gets expensive to upgrade them past that.
On June 07 2012 13:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 13:27 starfries wrote:
It's 2 seconds, and it's definitely still possible since you often don't get hit in the .5 second window because a lot of enemy attack animations take a moment to go off. But don't expect to live if you're sitting in a molten pool or a soul lasher pack. and even if they do you should have a reasonable chance to dodge it.
Funnily enough, right after I posted I killed a soul lasher pack without dying by doing this =.=
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread. But I have a DH friend who's not sure why they nerfed SS. I play a Barb so I have no understanding of DHs. I was just wondering if someone could explain the abuse that caused it to be nerfed so I could explain it to my friend. Thanks!
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On June 07 2012 13:42 Xinder wrote:I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread. But I have a DH friend who's not sure why they nerfed SS. I play a Barb so I have no understanding of DHs. I was just wondering if someone could explain the abuse that caused it to be nerfed so I could explain it to my friend. Thanks!
Er, it's basically what I just described. You just spam SS because the cooldown is really short. When it was 3 seconds, you could chain them with no downtime and get 18 seconds of invulnerability.
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On June 07 2012 13:45 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 13:42 Xinder wrote:I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread. But I have a DH friend who's not sure why they nerfed SS. I play a Barb so I have no understanding of DHs. I was just wondering if someone could explain the abuse that caused it to be nerfed so I could explain it to my friend. Thanks! Er, it's basically what I just described. You just spam SS because the cooldown is really short. When it was 3 seconds, you could chain them with no downtime and get 18 seconds of invulnerability.
and with multishot runed for discipline you could get even more.
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