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On June 06 2012 02:21 Lobotomist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 02:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Does anyone else use Rain of Vengeance w/ the stun rune?
I never see any of the "top" DH streamers using it, but it saves my ass a lot. Thoughts on it? I'm debating between switching it to bat pet or mark of death(hatred rune). i use the knock back rune with this. it's really nice against blue packs with melee attacks, and as an "oh shit" button as it's resource free. using elemental arrow, I find that I don't really need bat, I feel like I don't have enough disc for vault and ss, and marked just doesn't seem that great. if you're doing a 5 stack run, most of your time is tied up fighting the elites, not the boss (where marked really shines). our doesn't seen worth it to me, to make the ea.sy part easier
On the contrary, if you mark one champion or the boss you can spam more NT and kill them faster. You can also kill bosses faster because with mark(me) NT cost basically nothing if they hit 2-3 times.
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On June 06 2012 01:52 KingOfAmerica wrote:
OK I know this has been debated ad nauseum, but I would love the opinion of this board. I am farming Act 2 Inferno.
Right now I am using a 1H Xbox Dual Wield Build. Both of my 1H have high crit dmg bonus (50% gem in one, 70% stat in the other). 25K DPS straight, 63K DPS SS. I am stacking attack speed and crit chance where ever I can in my kit. (Using Archery, Sharpshooter and Vengeance). Skills are entangling, Elemental Nether Tentacles, vault, SS, Prep, Multishot.
I understand the predominant feeling is that 1H + Quiver or 2H + quiver is the best, but I really feel like this super crit heavy / attack speed build makes alot of sense. I crit for around 230%, and with SS and my crit chance stats (around 25-27% chance w/o SS) that is alot of damage. Also I seem to find that 1H Crossbows seem to get better rolls in certain stat categories. I have been running a +192 dext +160 vit +792 life on hit bow since I hit 60, and I haven't seen a comparable quiver. (of note: not great DPS on this weapon. It is 70 behind my other hand and I know this is really dragging my damage. I cant quit on the stats tho)
Thoughts on the viability of the dual wield crit / attack speed build? It is getting increasingly hard to find 1H crossbows that up my DPS, maintain the stat levels I currently enjoy, and are under 10M. Should I stick with this or is 1H Quiver / 2H Quiver really objectively that much better?
you know, I was thinking that this could be really good with night stalker if you had godly gear. if the chance to gain disc is high enough you'd never run out of disc for smokescreen...which would be real good. I think when people start getting the absolute maximized best gear, 2x1h will be the way to go, especially if you can get a bunch of dex on each one. I wonder though, what the different affixes you can get on compared to a quiver?
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On June 06 2012 02:25 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 02:21 Lobotomist wrote:On June 05 2012 02:15 Mondeezy wrote:
Does anyone else use Rain of Vengeance w/ the stun rune?
I never see any of the "top" DH streamers using it, but it saves my ass a lot. Thoughts on it? I'm debating between switching it to bat pet or mark of death(hatred rune). i use the knock back rune with this. it's really nice against blue packs with melee attacks, and as an "oh shit" button as it's resource free. using elemental arrow, I find that I don't really need bat, I feel like I don't have enough disc for vault and ss, and marked just doesn't seem that great. if you're doing a 5 stack run, most of your time is tied up fighting the elites, not the boss (where marked really shines). our doesn't seen worth it to me, to make the ea.sy part easier On the contrary, if you mark one champion or the boss you can spam more NT and kill them faster. You can also kill bosses faster because with mark(me) NT cost basically nothing if they hit 2-3 times.
the thing is, I rarely find myself in a situation where I need more hatred and can actually stand and shoot. I think I may end up using mark when I'm geared enough to farm a3 in a group. currently, I'm struggling through a3, trying to figure out what to farm, as the butcher is too easy (has bad drops) and I hate a2. my priority now is surviving against champ packs, which rain is better for.
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On June 05 2012 18:05 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:52 rems wrote:On June 05 2012 17:50 Levistus wrote:
guys i just got level 60. what should i buy to be able to do inferno? i only have 1.5m. A bow is a good start. Ask a better question if you want a better answer. Dude, don't be a douche. I would pick up blue and rings and amulet with +dex and +attack speed. The rest you can actually just spend on a bow, you don't need much else. The only survivability you need is a bit of +max discipline gear, and enough health to take a hit from the butcher's chains if you aren't confident fighting him.
My bow is 300dps and my equip are dex vit lvl 40s with emeralds. What mods should I search for for each equip? Also how much weapon dps should I buy?
edit: bow, xbow or hand xbow?
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On June 06 2012 04:05 Levistus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 18:05 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 17:52 rems wrote:On June 05 2012 17:50 Levistus wrote:
guys i just got level 60. what should i buy to be able to do inferno? i only have 1.5m. A bow is a good start. Ask a better question if you want a better answer. Dude, don't be a douche. I would pick up blue and rings and amulet with +dex and +attack speed. The rest you can actually just spend on a bow, you don't need much else. The only survivability you need is a bit of +max discipline gear, and enough health to take a hit from the butcher's chains if you aren't confident fighting him. My bow is 300dps and my equip are dex vit lvl 40s with emeralds. What mods should I search for for each equip? Also how much weapon dps should I buy? edit: bow, xbow or hand xbow?
well Dex, Attack speed +Crit damage +Life on hit are great but you lack the budget. What I do is I search for Bows that have Strength on them, because they are cheap even for the once with pretty nice dps
Search for 2h=>Crossbow=>lvl 60 with Strength=> Magic (Blue) items only. You get some nicely priced 1000 dps + weapons costing no more than a couple hundred thousand. quite good.
Crossbow scale best with Sharpshooter it's my pick
Edit: the problem with Int Crossbows is that wizards would actually want them so you need to look up a stat as useless as strength to get them cheap
Edit2: why magic items? because they are cheaper than rares
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On June 06 2012 04:11 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 04:05 Levistus wrote:On June 05 2012 18:05 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 17:52 rems wrote:On June 05 2012 17:50 Levistus wrote:
guys i just got level 60. what should i buy to be able to do inferno? i only have 1.5m. A bow is a good start. Ask a better question if you want a better answer. Dude, don't be a douche. I would pick up blue and rings and amulet with +dex and +attack speed. The rest you can actually just spend on a bow, you don't need much else. The only survivability you need is a bit of +max discipline gear, and enough health to take a hit from the butcher's chains if you aren't confident fighting him. My bow is 300dps and my equip are dex vit lvl 40s with emeralds. What mods should I search for for each equip? Also how much weapon dps should I buy? edit: bow, xbow or hand xbow? well Dex, Attack speed +Crit damage +Life on hit are great but you lack the budget. What I do is I search for Bows that have Strength on them, because they are cheap even for the once with pretty nice dps Search for 2h=>Crossbow=>lvl 60 with Strength=> Magic (Blue) items only. You get some nicely priced 1000 dps + weapons costing no more than a couple hundred thousand. quite good. Crossbow scale best with Sharpshooter it's my pick Edit: the problem with Int Crossbows is that wizards would actually want them so you need to look up a stat as useless as strength to get them cheap Edit2: why magic items? because they are cheaper than rares
I've got a blue 2h xbow with 880 dps and 100% crit damage. This thing will last a while IMO...
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On June 06 2012 05:22 Duskbane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 04:11 Blasterion wrote:On June 06 2012 04:05 Levistus wrote:On June 05 2012 18:05 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 17:52 rems wrote:On June 05 2012 17:50 Levistus wrote:
guys i just got level 60. what should i buy to be able to do inferno? i only have 1.5m. A bow is a good start. Ask a better question if you want a better answer. Dude, don't be a douche. I would pick up blue and rings and amulet with +dex and +attack speed. The rest you can actually just spend on a bow, you don't need much else. The only survivability you need is a bit of +max discipline gear, and enough health to take a hit from the butcher's chains if you aren't confident fighting him. My bow is 300dps and my equip are dex vit lvl 40s with emeralds. What mods should I search for for each equip? Also how much weapon dps should I buy? edit: bow, xbow or hand xbow? well Dex, Attack speed +Crit damage +Life on hit are great but you lack the budget. What I do is I search for Bows that have Strength on them, because they are cheap even for the once with pretty nice dps Search for 2h=>Crossbow=>lvl 60 with Strength=> Magic (Blue) items only. You get some nicely priced 1000 dps + weapons costing no more than a couple hundred thousand. quite good. Crossbow scale best with Sharpshooter it's my pick Edit: the problem with Int Crossbows is that wizards would actually want them so you need to look up a stat as useless as strength to get them cheap Edit2: why magic items? because they are cheaper than rares I've got a blue 2h xbow with 880 dps and 100% crit damage. This thing will last a while IMO...
That's great for you but I was offering advice to someone with a 300dps bow who recently just hit 60 and is looking for advices to gear up within a 1.3 mil Budget. But I am glad you love your 2h Xbow so much.
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On June 05 2012 15:20 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:18 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 johnnywup wrote:
^really not worth much, 658.9 after +98% crit dmg is really bad :/ the crit is nice but the damage is too low to care imo. That's 658.9 before crit dmg, and a great deal for 45k since it comes with a ton of dex too. oh, i thought that was factored in. never mind then. shows what i know about how the dmg on the weapon works 
yeah, i'm doing around 70k after sharpshooter..not great, but enough to get me through act 1 and treasure goblins :p
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On June 05 2012 20:53 Therg wrote:
Does anyone know if the pet (bat for me) triggers Sharpshooter? Thanks in advance.
I think it does, since I see my bat critting all the time. I'm pretty sure other people on here have said so as well, so there you go 
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it gains the crit chance but doesn't trigger it is what I read
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damn i just missed buying a 1002dps xbow with 60% crit dmg for 100k fuck someone else bought at the speed of light
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On June 06 2012 05:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:20 johnnywup wrote:On June 05 2012 15:18 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 johnnywup wrote:
^really not worth much, 658.9 after +98% crit dmg is really bad :/ the crit is nice but the damage is too low to care imo. That's 658.9 before crit dmg, and a great deal for 45k since it comes with a ton of dex too. oh, i thought that was factored in. never mind then. shows what i know about how the dmg on the weapon works yeah, i'm doing around 70k after sharpshooter..not great, but enough to get me through act 1 and treasure goblins :p
IAS however is factored in, which is why weapons with IAS are terrible, unless they have 1400+dps
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On June 06 2012 06:06 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 05 2012 15:20 johnnywup wrote:On June 05 2012 15:18 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 johnnywup wrote:
^really not worth much, 658.9 after +98% crit dmg is really bad :/ the crit is nice but the damage is too low to care imo. That's 658.9 before crit dmg, and a great deal for 45k since it comes with a ton of dex too. oh, i thought that was factored in. never mind then. shows what i know about how the dmg on the weapon works yeah, i'm doing around 70k after sharpshooter..not great, but enough to get me through act 1 and treasure goblins :p IAS however is factored in, which is why weapons with IAS are terrible, unless they have 1400+dps
Oooh, is that what's meant when people say that the IAS mod on weapons isn't working properly?
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So i am in inferno act 1... I've been told to farm the butcher for a while because i need the money and from my sneak peak at act 2 it's very painfull. Thing with the butcher is it's very frustrating to kill him, the only thing that doesn't 1 shot me is the blue hook, but the hudge aoe red one just kill me in one shot.
In a perfect world i can smokescreen it, however i have alot of latency (250ms is my lifetime low) and get very frequent mini lag spikes during the game so sometimes the smokecreen simply does go off... This and being dead simply by staying a little to close to the fire for less than a second makes the experience very frustrating because i die all the time to things i feel i can't control.
i have like 14k life and was thinking that bringing defenses/hp highter so i can survive 1 red hook would make the runs so much smoother, does anyone know how much hp/defenses you need to survive one of those?
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14k hp seems kind of low... unless you are building a glass cannon (ie. sinking every possible piece of gear into dex to maximize dps)? what gear are you using?
if you're constantly dying in warden/butcher runs, try going to the royal crypts and breaking jars with gold find gear + ferret companions. with a cheap set of gf gear you can get up to around the 200-210% gf mark and each run takes a min or less getting you 10-30k gold each run, and it's pretty hard to die because you can just outrun the skeletons easily. then try butcher again when you've geared up more with the gold you found. you can get a very decent bow with cold damage and 900-ish dps for a few hundred thousand on the AH these days which shouldn't take you more than an hour or so of running the crypt jars but you'll probably die of boredom doing it.
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Woot, just get in inferno after 2 weeks leveling up again from stupid monk. All I gotta say is DH is fucking awesome!!! Never imagine that I could even stack a bunch of champion packs that easily. Got all my gear for 40k dps without SS and everything cost not even 1 mil.
DH rocks lol 
btw is it me or xbow seems to shoot slower than 2h bow? the xbow even has higher ias and less attack/sec than the 2h bow. Weird.
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On June 06 2012 05:25 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:22 Duskbane wrote:On June 06 2012 04:11 Blasterion wrote:On June 06 2012 04:05 Levistus wrote:On June 05 2012 18:05 starfries wrote:On June 05 2012 17:52 rems wrote:On June 05 2012 17:50 Levistus wrote:
guys i just got level 60. what should i buy to be able to do inferno? i only have 1.5m. A bow is a good start. Ask a better question if you want a better answer. Dude, don't be a douche. I would pick up blue and rings and amulet with +dex and +attack speed. The rest you can actually just spend on a bow, you don't need much else. The only survivability you need is a bit of +max discipline gear, and enough health to take a hit from the butcher's chains if you aren't confident fighting him. My bow is 300dps and my equip are dex vit lvl 40s with emeralds. What mods should I search for for each equip? Also how much weapon dps should I buy? edit: bow, xbow or hand xbow? well Dex, Attack speed +Crit damage +Life on hit are great but you lack the budget. What I do is I search for Bows that have Strength on them, because they are cheap even for the once with pretty nice dps Search for 2h=>Crossbow=>lvl 60 with Strength=> Magic (Blue) items only. You get some nicely priced 1000 dps + weapons costing no more than a couple hundred thousand. quite good. Crossbow scale best with Sharpshooter it's my pick Edit: the problem with Int Crossbows is that wizards would actually want them so you need to look up a stat as useless as strength to get them cheap Edit2: why magic items? because they are cheaper than rares I've got a blue 2h xbow with 880 dps and 100% crit damage. This thing will last a while IMO... That's great for you but I was offering advice to someone with a 300dps bow who recently just hit 60 and is looking for advices to gear up within a 1.3 mil Budget. But I am glad you love your 2h Xbow so much. What i do is but a max buyout on what i want to see, and search for something with a socket (makes up for a whole shitload of dps lacking on the wep), and then work my way up the prices while only sorting based on dps. Today I got really lucky and snatched a 950 dps crossbow with a socket for 55k (wtf?). Also rings with 70 dex and 15% IAS dont cost more than 30k from when I searched. I'm definately budget, probably havent made more than 2 million yet, and I have 27k dps w/o sharpshooter.
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22k HP with 300 resist and 2.5k armor is about what you need to survive the chains.
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On June 06 2012 06:52 Derez wrote:
22k HP with 300 resist and 2.5k armor is about what you need to survive the chains.
30k hp and 200 resist was enough for me, though I couldnt take 2 in a row, but a pot or health shrine was always there.
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I got 14k hp, 2,5k armor and like 100 resists 1332 dexterity and around 20k damage without sharpshooter.
My bow is like 690 dps, go ti tin the action house for like 50k. Nothing i bought from the action house costed over 50k... and i always searched for things like dexterity, crit damage, attk speed... never looked at vitality or resists.. so yeah i geared cheaply for the maximum damage i could afford, act 1 was painless exept from butcher.. i mean i can kill the guy but it takes me like 10-12 trys. Act 2 is horrible, every elite i came across had reflect damage and the god damn dudes that shoot mini mortars and jump at you from off the map to one shot you are so anoying.
i guess I'll try to break some jars till i get enought to survive 1 hit
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