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HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 18:25:44
July 01 2012 18:22 GMT
#2121
On July 01 2012 07:05 zedest wrote:
You don't need Any resist let alone 700, you don't die if you don't get hit, and with a DH you have cooldowns enough to avoid everything.

Everything on this game is avoidable if played right.

ye man
can tell this about soul lashers on HC? or bout leapers in A2? even with max disc it's kinda random if you didn't have enough effective health to survive 1-2 hits
No carpal tunnel no skill
Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
July 01 2012 18:44 GMT
#2122
On July 02 2012 03:22 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 07:05 zedest wrote:
You don't need Any resist let alone 700, you don't die if you don't get hit, and with a DH you have cooldowns enough to avoid everything.

Everything on this game is avoidable if played right.

ye man
can tell this about soul lashers on HC? or bout leapers in A2? even with max disc it's kinda random if you didn't have enough effective health to survive 1-2 hits

Well, since soul lashers had their range nerfed unless they are elite pack they are no problem?
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
July 02 2012 01:55 GMT
#2123
I think I hit the gear wall as well. I've been looking at potential upgrades on AH, but it feels like I'm spending an absurdly high amount for barely small upgrades. Currently I'm comfortably doing Heart of Sin area, but certain elite affixes are death for me. I can't survive Act 3 w/ MF gear so my gear farming is basically Act 1 Inferno.

When I look at my gear, I assume like the biggest value DPS boost would be in rings? Not sure how well my bow translate out to raw DPS, but I figured I'm at least running around with a 1100 xbow (959*1.15 from bow mastery) since the crit % is 50.

Anyhow gear is here:
http://imgur.com/VkRwB
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 02:57:30
July 02 2012 02:56 GMT
#2124
On July 02 2012 10:55 ssxsilver wrote:
I think I hit the gear wall as well. I've been looking at potential upgrades on AH, but it feels like I'm spending an absurdly high amount for barely small upgrades. Currently I'm comfortably doing Heart of Sin area, but certain elite affixes are death for me. I can't survive Act 3 w/ MF gear so my gear farming is basically Act 1 Inferno.

When I look at my gear, I assume like the biggest value DPS boost would be in rings? Not sure how well my bow translate out to raw DPS, but I figured I'm at least running around with a 1100 xbow (959*1.15 from bow mastery) since the crit % is 50.

Anyhow gear is here:
http://imgur.com/VkRwB


Your helm not good, it has a bunch of res that you dont need, and no dex or crit. Give it to some monk and get yourself a 140+dex crit helm or something. Chest armor has the same issue, incredibly weak damage.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
July 02 2012 06:58 GMT
#2125
On July 02 2012 10:55 ssxsilver wrote:
I think I hit the gear wall as well. I've been looking at potential upgrades on AH, but it feels like I'm spending an absurdly high amount for barely small upgrades. Currently I'm comfortably doing Heart of Sin area, but certain elite affixes are death for me. I can't survive Act 3 w/ MF gear so my gear farming is basically Act 1 Inferno.

When I look at my gear, I assume like the biggest value DPS boost would be in rings? Not sure how well my bow translate out to raw DPS, but I figured I'm at least running around with a 1100 xbow (959*1.15 from bow mastery) since the crit % is 50.

Anyhow gear is here:
http://imgur.com/VkRwB

The biggest dps boost is almost always a weapon, and that should be true for your case as well. Its expensive but probably worth it. Other than that, ring and helmet if you want more dps.
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 07:54:43
July 02 2012 07:35 GMT
#2126
On June 30 2012 23:44 ChosenSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 19:31 S_SienZ wrote:
On June 30 2012 07:23 Hopelessnoob wrote:
So just wondering. After the increase in repair cost, are you guys putting more emphasis into vitality and all res? Or still just enough to survive 1 hit?
What are your HPa?(for inferno of course)

I'm in Act 3 but farming Act 1 due to current drop rates.

27k HP with 277-300 all res, 3.1k armour.

I can kill every affix combination, and only die when I fuck up while swapping MF gear.


I don't get what I'm doing wrong... cuz I have 38,000 HP and my lowest resistance is 700. I have armor of 3500. So I'm far superior to what you have but yet I get raped. In act 2 I get 2 shotted by everything so I don't get what I'm doing wrong...


I only have 300 all resist and I can fucking tank in Act 3
I really dont know what the hell you are doing wrong, you sure you are playing Diablo 3?
Pro tip - If you like playing a tanky DH like me (and get bitched on)

This is my current build

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aRgYXV!XeY!YaYcZb
Hunger - Devouring for single target damage, Ball lightning for AoE and mob clearer

Gloom - -65% damage taken and 20% damage becomes life, 3 second duration, 0.5 second cooldown. THIS IS NOT LIFE STEAL. THIS IS A SERIOUS FUCKING HEAL. I can out heal any damage reflect mob and tank so fucking hard with this skill as long as there are a shit ton of monsters I can even put some barbs to shame. Fire a Ball lightning into a group of 30 mobs and tell me you didnt just heal for 30k. The 65% damage reduction allows me to take a couple hits even from A4 mobs. Thats not saying the 300+ all resist is gonna save me from them tho (that place is inhumane). I cannot solo it, I need a barb friend. BUT, I CAN TAKE A HIT FROM RAKANOTH's TELEPORT HIT. TOP THAT. (Its rather pointless to boast about being able to tank rakanoth as a DH since its so easy to time when hes gonna teleport)

Caltrops - Bait the Trap - Since Im gonna stand there and take it I might as well increase my tower defense skills - 10% crit chance, couple that with Night Stalker and Ball Lightning I almost have infinite Discipline, which means Ill just spam gloom all day long.

Smoke - Lingering - Because asshole mobs still like to use vacuum + jail + shitton of arcane orbs in close quarters, not even 1200 all resist barbs can survive it. Better keep a smoke.

Preparation - Battle Scar - Most reliable skill I have in my entire arsenal. I run around with 42000 hp so the heal + a pot instantly puts me to max.

Night Stalker - I have 45.5% crit rate with Caltrops - This is a must.

Archery + Steady Aim - no point saying much about this.


So from my point of view, your build sucks ass.

From another point of view tho, Ive been getting a lot of shit from koreans/chinese players (love to micro) about how I committed some sacrilege against DH gods for doing so and that I should just go roll a monk. That being said I just go stand in those fire bomb traps in A3 Tower and survive it while they bitch at me more.

But really, as much as I love to micro and show off skills (Im a terran player), D3 is supposed to be relaxing. Therefore I get the highest DPS class and go tank with it. IDGAF

`
P.S - 300+ all resist, 42000 hp, 62000+ damage, ~3500 armor, 38! discipline 45.5% crit with caltrops (I use it all the time so I think I can put this in, 2xx% crit damage).

My stats is nowhere close to god tier, I cant beat glass cannons in dps and I sure as hell dont have as much resist as you do, yet I can run around A1 like its kindergarten, A2 and not give a fuck, run around A3 and take hits from hordes of skull cleavers (the more the merrier, Ill just heal), that huge dual mace fatty, the earthworm/snake from A3 tower, and even a charge bash or two from those huge A4 winged demons with a mace, and a blow from rakanoth.

I did think about using a guardian turret but I really dont have space to fit it. My crit isnt high enough and I really need the caltrops for kiting and for the crit (I only have 6% increase movement speed)

So yeah. I dont know how you are fucking up a 700+ all resist DH. Maybe you should go roll a monk
Stop procrastinating
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1883 Posts
July 02 2012 12:37 GMT
#2127
Hm, i've got only 25000 dps without sharpshooter, 31000 hp and maybe 50 all resi but i can run through act 1 inferno Quest 9 area ( torturing chambers and stuff) without dying if i don't fuck up. None of the mobs are fast, which means my 12% movespeed on boots and Frostarrow kite them all day. Granted, it's not that fast, but very secure Is there a spot in act 2 where there aren't any annoying leapers, monkeys or bats that are fast enough to catch me? I am really scared of act2 cause the leapers will just body me
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
July 02 2012 13:23 GMT
#2128
On July 02 2012 21:37 Broetchenholer wrote:
Hm, i've got only 25000 dps without sharpshooter, 31000 hp and maybe 50 all resi but i can run through act 1 inferno Quest 9 area ( torturing chambers and stuff) without dying if i don't fuck up. None of the mobs are fast, which means my 12% movespeed on boots and Frostarrow kite them all day. Granted, it's not that fast, but very secure Is there a spot in act 2 where there aren't any annoying leapers, monkeys or bats that are fast enough to catch me? I am really scared of act2 cause the leapers will just body me

You should check out an EHP calculator and sort out your ratio. Way too much HP for that little all resistance.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1883 Posts
July 02 2012 15:18 GMT
#2129
Probably, and i'd be happy to change my really bad equip with sth better, but shit won't drop for me :D I am Lvl 60 since Thursday and i am pretty confident, that i just need more time to farm, that's why it is inferno.

So there is no area in act 2 where nobody is unkiteable?
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
July 02 2012 15:25 GMT
#2130
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o
Tryndamere
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada145 Posts
July 02 2012 15:30 GMT
#2131
On July 03 2012 00:25 thoradycus wrote:
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o


Look at the raw damage of your xbow as well as and stats difference, etc.. dex
My right arm is much stronger than my left arm!
OhNeverMind
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
July 02 2012 15:51 GMT
#2132
On July 03 2012 00:25 thoradycus wrote:
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o



My guess is you first equipped it with sharpshooter uncharged. and then when you compared the old bow with SS fully charged since attackspeed will inflate your dps by more at 100% crit. make sure your sharpshooter is at the same value when comparing DPS upgrades.
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
July 02 2012 16:04 GMT
#2133
On July 02 2012 16:35 padfoota wrote:
Hunger - Devouring for single target damage, Ball lightning for AoE and mob clearer

I run a similar build now that is based on Gloom tanking, the EU AH has been down for 2 days so I can't buy much needed upgrades, my currents stats are: 33k hp, 300 resist all, 3.2k armor, my damage has suffered though, only 34k, 70k with SS. From doing MF runs in act 1 and 2 I found Multishot to be actually the superior choice for a rage dump. It does massive damage and clears mobs just as easily as anything, the advantage is that it actually works on bosses and elites too. A full frontal multishot loaded with sharpshooter to the face of an elite pack will really destroy them.

The only thing is, you need to use the raven to get proper hatred regen. So you need to either drop SS or caltrops for it. Personally I like SS as a get out of jail free card, so I don't use caltrops, it's awkward to use anyway because it wastes discipline and I'll often have melee mobs activate the trap or I need to move out of it when facing nasty elite mob types or affixes.

For group play (did some runs with 2 DH + monk&barb tank) in act 2+3, and the better choice is probably Cluster bombs. Simply nothing will match its damage in a crit build, it is just awkward to properly land when playing alone, but if you have tanks to keep the mobs at arms length this is really killer.


(my DH friend with much better gear uses Cluster Arrow - Loaded for Bear as a rage dump, and no SS as he can just facetank everything in act 1 and 2 with Gloom, he has 150k SS damage. In act 3+4 he says he needs a tank though to get the fast clear times)
here i am
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
July 02 2012 16:06 GMT
#2134
On July 03 2012 00:25 thoradycus wrote:
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o

I noticed this too, annoying display bug. just turn off SS and equip the weapon and you'll see the real dps changes.
here i am
Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
July 02 2012 16:08 GMT
#2135
On July 03 2012 00:25 thoradycus wrote:
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o

Does your damage decrease as well or just says -6k on the tooltip? There is a bug where it takes off your quiver in the simulation for the tooltips (and so it looks like you lose dmg if your overall dmg increase from new bow is less than the dmg that your quiver gives you).
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1883 Posts
July 02 2012 16:24 GMT
#2136
Hm, people claiming the EU AH is/was down i was able to search and even put items there on saturday. What exactly is down?
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
July 02 2012 16:54 GMT
#2137
On July 03 2012 01:06 wintergt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 00:25 thoradycus wrote:
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o

I noticed this too, annoying display bug. just turn off SS and equip the weapon and you'll see the real dps changes.


I get it even tho Im not using SS. The problem is that since 2h Xbow is a 2h, it calculates your DPS WITHOUT the QUIVER

Only DHs can equip a 2h and have an offhand lol.
Stop procrastinating
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
July 02 2012 17:07 GMT
#2138
On July 03 2012 01:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
Hm, people claiming the EU AH is/was down i was able to search and even put items there on saturday. What exactly is down?

It is greyed out I can't even click on the auction house.

On July 03 2012 01:54 padfoota wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 01:06 wintergt wrote:
On July 03 2012 00:25 thoradycus wrote:
Right.. So I bought an Xbow with 10% attack speed, and equipping it gives me -6k dmg, while equipping my previous xbow gives me -10k dmg.. Anyone can explains what's going on o.o

I noticed this too, annoying display bug. just turn off SS and equip the weapon and you'll see the real dps changes.


I get it even tho Im not using SS. The problem is that since 2h Xbow is a 2h, it calculates your DPS WITHOUT the QUIVER

Only DHs can equip a 2h and have an offhand lol.

Yeah I figured it was the quiver but I didn't want to put this in my post as I wasn't 100% sure. Ofcourse it is not SS, I see this bug without SS too, but I put this in as more of a curtosy as I know a lot of people just check gear changes with SS maxed, but this way you won't even see what your +crit% does and your +critdmg will be overvalued compared to your actual ingame dmg.
here i am
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
July 02 2012 17:17 GMT
#2139
On July 03 2012 01:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
Hm, people claiming the EU AH is/was down i was able to search and even put items there on saturday. What exactly is down?

it hasn't been down "2 days" it's like less than 24 hours, it even worked for a little while today.
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
July 02 2012 17:23 GMT
#2140
On July 03 2012 02:17 zomgE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 01:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
Hm, people claiming the EU AH is/was down i was able to search and even put items there on saturday. What exactly is down?

it hasn't been down "2 days" it's like less than 24 hours, it even worked for a little while today.

Well I don't play 24/7 but when I can't use the AH on sunday and again today during my playtime I call it 2 days. It has been greyed out, only once have I been able to get in, but I couldn't list items and when I tried to purchase something the gold just disappeared from my account without giving me the item.
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