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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
SOURCE: http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC From the small korean I understand, I believe MC is saying his plane is delayed? My korean isn't that great, but from the small amount of korean I understand, I believe MC is saying his plane is delayed. Can someone confirm? Mods please edit this if I have missed anything. Again, Brat_OK receives 2 wins. oGsMC is not charged with losses. 
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:08 Axel.Bowex wrote: From the small korean I understand, I believe MC is saying his plane is delayed? My korean isn't that great, but from the small amount of korean I understand, I believe MC is saying his plane is delayed. Can someone confirm? http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC HuK mentioned somewhere that Sweden was really easy to fly into, but sadly he took forever to get back. He is back in Korea by now though (he just got into grandmasters), so MC should also be back. | ||
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mrflakes
United States713 Posts
so i'm 0win 0lose count BRAT_OK 2win 0lose count sorry have a nice day ^^ So I guess Brat_OK gets a W.O.? | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
nvm my twitter wasn't updated | ||
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namedplayer
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claudius1
28 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:10 Turgid wrote: Omg if there's another walkover... um no... Why would it be? MC played his games on thursday... | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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claudius1
28 Posts
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
last twitter says: "lol i cant understand myself what i just wrote ^^ (what he wrote in english) have fun translating dear foreign fans" | ||
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
 Sad panda. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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love.less
United Kingdom293 Posts
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
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Kerl
Germany74 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... Wtf | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:29 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Jeez another one? This is starting to get old, of course this is no fault of NASL's just overall disappointing. Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame. | ||
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Snausages
United States529 Posts
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Saiwa
Germany789 Posts
haha joke ^^ | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:32 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame. Not really NASL's fault to blame for a flight delay and random flight scheduling from players. | ||
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:32 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame. You can't predict a delayed plane. You can predict that people should have a few days buffer around a major LAN event like Dreamhack, which is the fault of NASL. | ||
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SaturnAttack
United States125 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... lol clearly that cat is the biggest loser in all this. I can't believe how difficult it is to schedule one game a week for some people. Scheduling either needs to be made more flexible or people just need to be booted from the league. There's such little punishment for skipping regular season games that this feels like college classes. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:34 raf3776 wrote: Not really NASL's fault to blame for a flight delay and random flight scheduling from players. It's their responsibility to make sure things like this doesn't happen, and it's the third time this week. Problems like these are generally avoidable. If they can't manage to schedule matches then what are they being paid for? | ||
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... LOL WUT Oh well, atleast MC doesnt take 2 losses... | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
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xxjondxx
United States89 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44333 Posts
Well a plane delay is at least a reason that's not MC's fault, as opposed to White-Ra and Naniwa actually being at fault for not playing their games... | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
To put things in perspective, Bratok, who is already a beast is currently with a RoX.Kis bootcamp in ukraine, and one day played 60 tvp games against RoX.KiS.Pomi, thats how seriously hes taking it. | ||
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archflames
Mexico204 Posts
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:41 xxjondxx wrote: Seems dumb for him to not get losses for the games even though he informed them that he couldn't make it. That doesn't even make sense. Is responsible enough to inform them he can't make it due to reasons beyond his control, incur a loss. Lulz. Naniwa also remains 0-0 you know. | ||
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SaturnAttack
United States125 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:41 xxjondxx wrote: Seems dumb for him to not get losses for the games even though he informed them that he couldn't make it. Seriously, I hope this doesn't mean he owns the tiebreaker against someone with the same number of wins but an inferior game differential score. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44333 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:45 archflames wrote: mc, what goes around comes around What does this even mean -.-' | ||
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GinDo
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br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
So what if a player cannot make it to the game due to reasons he has no influence of (and he's even informing the organisers of the tournament of it)? I guess there will be no game on the scheduled day, but can't they just postpone the game? | ||
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neo_sporin
United States516 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:45 Kantutan wrote: That doesn't even make sense. Is responsible enough to inform them he can't make it due to reasons beyond his control, incur a loss. Lulz. Naniwa also remains 0-0 you know. Actually it makes perfect sense. There have been a number of tournaments/leagues in various sports growing up and now in sc2 where if something came up I would say "hey unfortunately something unexpected has come up, i understand if you have to give me the loss for not playing my match" I never even thought it was an option to say "sorry, i know i agreed to it but something came up so if you could just not give me the loss that would be great. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
Yes... I vote for BratOK. LOL. This is so weird. The only matches I wanted to see were not played. So I didnt watched any NASL game so far. Gj. | ||
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
...Again, it was a DELAYED PLANE. Stop asking NASL to get their shit together. If they could control all facets of the world, then they could have stopped the DELAYED PLANE. ... ... It was a DELAYED PLANE. | ||
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RobotRock
United States2 Posts
What happens once the NASL LAN finals happens? Let's say for the sake of argument MC gets to the finals in NASL, but at the same time is competing in code S? Is MC going to leave Korea to play NASL when he could stay in Korea and get another GSL championship win? How many forefits are going to happen because of plane delays, tournament schedules, and other unforeseen circumstances? | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
If NASL knew that the flight was close to the scheduled match time, their bad for scheduling it so tightly. MC could've easily played on a different day. If MC didn't let NASL know about the possible conflict, his bad and NASL sends a clear message by giving him a forfeit. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
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Spacemanspiff
United States116 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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GinevraFX
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
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br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:59 TUski wrote: Guys, it was a DELAYED PLANE. ...Again, it was a DELAYED PLANE. Stop asking NASL to get their shit together. If they could control all facets of the world, then they could have stopped the DELAYED PLANE. ... ... It was a DELAYED PLANE. so you agree they need to get there shit together! | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:59 TUski wrote: Guys, it was a DELAYED PLANE. ...Again, it was a DELAYED PLANE. Stop asking NASL to get their shit together. If they could control all facets of the world, then they could have stopped the DELAYED PLANE. ... ... It was a DELAYED PLANE. Ur not getting it are u, Nasl knew he was coming back from a tournament and they put his match a couple hours after he got off the plane. So no the plane delay was not their fault, but it was their fault scheduling him that day, they could have schedualed him tomorrow and none of this would have happenned. This is their job, they are getting paid for this and we are paying a season ticket for what they told us we would receive. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:18 br0fivE wrote: so you agree they need to get there shit together! I think the lesson to be learned here is that international flights need to have high speed internet access, as well as ample PC gaming facilities on board. | ||
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Baby_Seal
United States360 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:12 ZAiNs wrote: These NASL free-wins are clearly part of a conspiracy to knock out all the big Protoss players. oh my god. I think you're right. O_O | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:03 Hemula wrote:It is casted from the replays it's not. read the FAQ nasl just cant make exceptions for everyone to keep up a professional Star league | ||
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emesen
United States256 Posts
If this was a playoff game or an actual championship tournament of course you would fight tooth and nail for regames.. but in division play? meh it just doesnt carry as much weight | ||
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Parsistamon
United States390 Posts
NASL's bad luck has been unbelievable. All the best series too! | ||
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Femeny
Germany4 Posts
Those little things are really ruining the (otherwise very good) tournament =( MC's on a plane? At least give him 1 (only 1!) chance to reschedule! Same goes for the White-Ra situation... Who cares if there will only be 3 games that night and then 5 games the next night. We all know that if you have 50! players from all over the world fighting each other over 3 weeks you cant expect the scheduling to be perfect. Let the scheduling be a little flexible. I think the viewers would prefer that. | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:20 Darkren wrote: Ur not getting it are u, Nasl knew he was coming back from a tournament and they put his match a couple hours after he got off the plane. So no the plane delay was not their fault, but it was their fault scheduling him that day, they could have schedualed him tomorrow and none of this would have happenned. This is their job, they are getting paid for this and we are paying a season ticket for what they told us we would receive. You're actually arguing that it was NASL's fault for scheduling correctly? They cannot schedule games whenever they want, it has to work for every party. It seems like people are just looking for an excuse to insult the NASL. His PLANE WAS DELAYED, that's not something you can plan for. Also they cannot schedule the game tomorrow, because the game WOULD HAVE been shown today. | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:20 Darkren wrote: Ur not getting it are u, Nasl knew he was coming back from a tournament and they put his match a couple hours after he got off the plane. So no the plane delay was not their fault, but it was their fault scheduling him that day, they could have schedualed him tomorrow and none of this would have happenned. This is their job, they are getting paid for this and we are paying a season ticket for what they told us we would receive. It's not NASL's responsibility to arrange the players' schedules, it's the players' and their managers' responsibility. NASL schedules all the games and tells the players when they should play, just like Gom does for the GSL and other leagues for their players. They can't be expected to rearrange their schedule all the time like this, at the last minute. They're already doing the best they can to work with tournaments like MLG but at a certain point players have to prioritize what leagues they play in. If DreamHack is that important to a player, then they will have to accept the freeloss as the price of playing it. All that having been said, it seems like there could be a better solution to this than the no-loss walkover. Here's one idea - if the player informs NASL of a conflict with like a day or more left, then they dock that player one point in the standings and schedule the match for a "make-up" week at the end of the season. If the player informs NASL with less than a day left, the other player should get a normal walkover. I don't like these walkovers with no losses. In all of these cases, the players knew that they had a match scheduled. In a league, it's your responsibility to play the match when it's scheduled, and if you miss your match you should lose. Not penalizing players for missing matches threatens to make the league seem like a pushover. | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
I wouldn't be surprised if they started casting from replays in another week or two if their best matches continue being canceled. And I wouldn't mind that either  | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:28 NKexquisite wrote: Are people just getting too spoiled with so many good tournaments being streamed that they can't cut any organization/tournament a break these days? There can't be a monumental match every night, and you can't always account for external circumstances... If one of the players broke their hand, I'm guessing people would be blaming NASL for that too? Relax people. It's not about being spoiled. Dreamhack and GSL have set the standard for what a top-tier tournament should look like. NASL doesn't come anywhere close yet they advertise themselves as the next biggest thing for E-sports in the West. They even want $25 for VODs. I know they put in a lot of effort and whatnot but it's just not up to par right now. | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
I was really looking forward to this T_T | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
was looking forward to this!!! | ||
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Unnamed
148 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:59 Hemula wrote: This is so weird. The only matches I wanted to see were not played. So I didnt watched any NASL game so far. Gj. LOL same here They really need to do something about it. I'm pretty sure that everyone prefer to see games postponed for 1-2 days or even 1-2 weeks rather than just WOs. Or let them play at any time and then cast from replays. | ||
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:27 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Also they cannot schedule the game tomorrow, because the game is being shown today. Thats really the most stupid reason ever. The game is obviously not shown today, because its a walkover. I dont know if its in NASLs interest to have 3-4 games a night (or maybe even 2-3times a week) every week. I understand they have principles. Ok. And in a case like naniwa was (with him being able to play physically) i understand a walkover. But not if things that you clearly cant influence like plane delays, or some other major LAN which you MUST attend because you cant just bank on nasl alone). They must have a reason to not cast the whole thing live...tbh i dont care at all if its live, delayed live-vod (like now) or a replay cast (like tsl). But i want to see games. but from a viewers perspective (and that should be the most important point for them), i dont care if the game is played on day x or day y. But i care that it is played _at all_. Having 4 walkovers in the first 4 days clearly isnt something you'd like to advertise yourself with. | ||
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AKspartan
United States126 Posts
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
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lucasesper
Brazil181 Posts
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Zorkey
Netherlands167 Posts
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ArtemisKnives
United States210 Posts
This isn't a problem guys. NASL should continue accordingly. Players miss games. It happens. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
thats one of the only games i really would like to see from the nasl, what a downer | ||
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Baby_Seal
United States360 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:38 Mattes wrote: Thats really the most stupid reason ever. The game is obviously not shown today, because its a walkover. I thought people would be able to use common sense to understand what I meant, but I suppose I should have been more clear. The person I responded to said that the match could have been played tomorrow and I stated that this would be impossible because then HYPOTHETICALLY the game would be casted before it was actually played. The games for group 4 are being shown today, so if a game from that group were to be played tomorrow, it obviously wouldn't work out because the game has to actually be played before it's casted. Better? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:44 Frozne wrote: Don't be so hard on them. They are sticking to a schedule. They aren't being loosey goosey. There are rules. Follow them. Sorry his plane was delayed, they basically just erased him from the tournament because he couldn't make it. This isn't a problem guys. NASL should continue accordingly. Players miss games. It happens. It obviously is a problem if there's so many people missing their matches. Having really strict scheduling when some guys have to play at 4 am etc is very hard on the players. Maybe they should consider some sort of "make up day" each week where they cast the games with scheduling conflicts. Possibly even off replays. Anything is better than just missing out on half the matches every week. | ||
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
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dragonblade369
Canada464 Posts
All the walk over occurred with top Protoss players (White-Ra, Naniwa and MC) Joke aside, NASL should seriously do something about things like that. For example, shuffle around the broadcasting dates of games. | ||
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Aristodemus
England1993 Posts
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
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gosuprobe
48 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:49 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: I thought people would be able to use common sense to understand what I meant, but I suppose I should have been more clear. This is teamliquid. | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:41 Pudge_172 wrote: This is why NASL needs to go to an all offline tournament located in California Yes, let's fly in 50 players for 12 weeks from all over the world so they cannot compete in any other LAN tournaments. That certainly makes sense. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
This is getting to be too much. NASL wants to maintain their integrity as an organization by being firm with this stuff, but they are accomplishing the opposite. By having 3 matches so far not even happen, they are really hurting their prestige. So far, the following huge names haven't been able to play their matches: Naniwa July WhiteRa MC These players in specific were quite the hype-creators. If the NASL doesn't bend its rules to accommodate a player in the event of this happening again, I'll be extremely disappointed. The NASL needs the players just as badly, if not MORE than the players need them. There are a lot of other tournaments going on with big names, so the NASL is really hurting its image compared to these other tournaments by missing out on these big names playing in their league. I know they have a tight schedule and that there are reasons this happened. But the NASL can change that. I bought my NASL ticket, and although Moon vs Grubby alone was able to make it worth it, I sure as hell expected a lot more. I realize it is easy to play the blame game, but that isn't even the biggest issue here. It is in NASL's best interest to have all these super hyped games played. Even though players need to be more responsible, without these really hyped matches, the NASL is hurting its self. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
The players signed a contract, they didn't show or in this case they where unable to show due to most likely an Act of God due to weather causing a flight delay. The NASL works on a tight broadcasting schedule trying to give a lot of great games in a short amount of time ie casting/recording the day before broadcast(2 days as of next week if I am reading the rescheduling right). What do you expect them to do? Seriously, they don't employ a wizard to control everything to work out perfectly bad luck happens. Stop blaming NASL for it. It's childish as best and at worst it's just.. unfathomably foolish. It does suck to see the game not played but that's the only thing to be upset about. | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
Unless the rule only applies on the day you play a major tournament. | ||
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:01 Mohdoo wrote: I posted this in another thread that ended up being a duplicate, which is why it got locked, so posting here: This is getting to be too much. NASL wants to maintain their integrity as an organization by being firm with this stuff, but they are accomplishing the opposite. By having 3 matches so far not even happen, they are really hurting their prestige. So far, the following huge names haven't been able to play their matches: Naniwa July WhiteRa MC These players in specific were quite the hype-creators. If the NASL doesn't bend its rules to accommodate a player in the event of this happening again, I'll be extremely disappointed. The NASL needs the players just as badly, if not MORE than the players need them. There are a lot of other tournaments going on with big names, so the NASL is really hurting its image compared to these other tournaments by missing out on these big names playing in their league. I know they have a tight schedule and that there are reasons this happened. But the NASL can change that. I bought my NASL ticket, and although Moon vs Grubby alone was able to make it worth it, I sure as hell expected a lot more. I realize it is easy to play the blame game, but that isn't even the biggest issue here. It is in NASL's best interest to have all these super hyped games played. Even though players need to be more responsible, without these really hyped matches, the NASL is hurting its self. Bending rules for specific players seems like a WWEsque thing to do. They shouldn't bend the rules. The players should avoid these happenings. But shit like this happens. The rescheduling has already changed to allow for a +1 variance to help out with stuff like this. NASL is new for everyone including the players. I'm sure this will be a rare occuring after the first week | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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GP
United States1056 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:08 coolcor wrote: let the players play anytime during the week and cast from replays. All scheduling problems are fixed. They could even give these games to those youtube casters they were giving a game a week to or whatever if it can't otherwise fit into their schedule | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:05 mprs wrote: Bending rules for specific players seems like a WWEsque thing to do. They shouldn't bend the rules. The players should avoid these happenings. But shit like this happens. The rescheduling has already changed to allow for a +1 variance to help out with stuff like this. NASL is new for everyone including the players. I'm sure this will be a rare occuring after the first week Yeah, I know where you're coming from, and you're right. My point was simply that currently, there has been too high a % of really big matches that just didn't happen. Not to say it was a majority or anything, but too many of them. There is still the concern of having enough big awesome matches that are worth paying for. Those could have been some amazing series that inspired a lot more people to buy season tickets. Or they could have been games that kept some people interested and buying a season ticket again. They need to be verrrrrrry careful at this point. Even if it isn't their fault, it is in their best interest to try to find some way to make this not happen so much. They have a lot to gain by having all these awesome matches actually happen. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
I get it. They have a tight broadcast schedule, and they can't reschedule easily. The problem is that these happenings due to NOT accounting for imperfect timing and unfortunate delays is the result of bad scheduling. The strictness seen so far is as ridiculous as if Day[9] decided to do a show every hour and a half. NASL is too much about quantity rather than quality at this point. Rescheduling in a reasonable case is expected of nearly all large organizers. Things happening outside of their control is no excuse for what is in control (pun completely intended :D). | ||
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Greggor
Sweden119 Posts
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Souai
United States47 Posts
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... You pound that pussy good. so sad we won't get to see yet another match of the night due to scheduling crap. TT | ||
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EriktheGuy
Canada132 Posts
Planes get delayed all the time. If your plans require an airport schedule running on time then they aren't sound. I think this situation will only get better as players learn that making a match is their own responsibility, and as communication with overseas players improves. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
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lunick
23 Posts
Sweden went .. A day to stay in Turkey -, .- The departure to Denmark on 21st What does that have to do with anything? | ||
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
Oh wait 3 best Protoss, wtf ?? | ||
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latan
740 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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lunick
23 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:14 Greggor wrote: Why cant they just delay the match and play it later, even if they cant cast it, it would be better then just doing a walkover. A walkover should be used if someone ignores the game intensionally, not when a flight is delayed. : / This sends out the wrong message. If you get to replay your match anyway why would you bother showing up if you're tired etc. And if you allow it in some circumstances and not in others there's problems with that aswell. | ||
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lunick
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:35 lunick wrote: There is nothing on his twitter that says anything about and I just went on Nasl website and they are both still 0-0.... Wtf are you guys talking about. Have any of you ever thought of using a korean-to-english translator because there is nothing about a plane being delayed in his twiiter On April 17 2011 05:39 lunick wrote: You guys do know that whoever made this thread is trolling right? There is nothing on MC's twitter that says anything about a walk over match or a delayed plane..... Check your sources please. please read, it is in his twitter, it is even in English. | ||
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yurten
United States42 Posts
http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC/status/59316526083358720 http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC/status/59316538179723264 | ||
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lunick
23 Posts
Dont be stupid please. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:42 lunick wrote: http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=http://twitter.com/oGsMC&ei=7f6pTeiXGsnA0QHW2bH5CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CFIQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search?q=ogsmc&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=923&prmd=ivnsfd Dont be stupid please. http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC // pretty normal that google doesnt translate (and therefore shows) things that are already written in english | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
MLG - Major Stream issues TSL - Not as major but still stream issues If these major tournaments don't start to fix these problems, e-sports is going to suffer. I'm not blaming anyone but if these issues continue e-sports is never going to be taken seriously. It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is, all of these problems badly hurt the scene and make it lose credibility. Many sports stadiums spent thousands upon thousands of dollars building those movable roofs in case of bad weather. It's not their fault that sometimes it rains, but regardless they are still responsible for dealing with it when it happens. | ||
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Naughty
United States114 Posts
As much as it sucks for MC, NASL and the spectators the show must go on. Im not aware of any sport that will adjust there time table/league format and other players schedules because one or more players where not able to make there game. So why do people expect NASL to? They did more than they should have to by not giving MC a loss (Though due to his situation I think its the right choice). | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:42 yurten wrote: OP is not trolling ... http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC/status/59316526083358720 http://twitter.com/#!/oGsMC/status/59316538179723264 Am I crazy or are neither of those posts showing up on his twitter? http://twitter.com/oGsMC so confused | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:48 Voltaire wrote: NASL - These cancellation type things keep happening MLG - Major Stream issues TSL - Not as major but still stream issues If these major tournaments don't start to fix these problems, e-sports is going to suffer. I'm not blaming anyone but if these issues continue e-sports is never going to be taken seriously. It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is, all of these problems badly hurt the scene and make it lose credibility. Many sports stadiums spent thousands upon thousands of dollars building those movable roofs in case of bad weather. It's not their fault that sometimes it rains, but regardless they are still responsible for dealing with it when it happens. If they don't fix it, someone else will. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:47 Zanno wrote: why not just have a make-up day at the end of the season at this point That would be a great idea. If they set aside 1 week after all the group play, for all of the W.O's to be played. The downside to doing that is that more players will assume they can put the NASL on the back burner over another tournament happening at the sametime, and still be able to make up their matches later on. This would most certainly lead to some amount of abuse, and alot of work for the NASL people to deal with. | ||
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lunick
23 Posts
oh thanks for clarifying that 스웨덴갔다가.. 터키에서 하루 체류하고 -,.- 또 21일날 덴마크로 출국 is english for me.... I was thinking that it was english but was not quite sure. | ||
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StarStruck
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LuckedOut
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
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LuckedOut
77 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:50 StarStruck wrote: It will happen in an online tournament that runs 3 months on a strict schedule. Bond to happen. ... okay if this happened in a 3 month stretch I would agree. But this has all happened in the first week where most people are tuning in to see if NASL is something they like. I am a big fan of what NASL is trying to do, and I really want them to succeed. Hopefuly they can come up with a solution rather quickly. | ||
Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:50 eXigent. wrote: i think it's desireable to the current arrangement, because this will cause scoring drama down the roadThat would be a great idea. If they set aside 1 week after all the group play, for all of the W.O's to be played. The downside to doing that is that more players will assume they can put the NASL on the back burner over another tournament happening at the sametime, and still be able to make up their matches later on. This would most certainly lead to some amount of abuse, and alot of work for the NASL people to deal with. the way the scoring works in NASL is you get 2 points for a 2-0, and -2 points for an 0-2, then 1 and -1 for 2-1 and 1-2. for example, if one player goes 4-5 and another goes 4-4, the player who missed his match could win depending on the win % i'd say an absolute worst case scenario would be if there was a situation where the player who wins the group goes 8-0 and the second place player goes 8-1 with a walkover on the first place player you can see how messy this can get you could penalize them by not televising the matches, but at the rate the walkovers are piling up this isnt the correct solution | ||
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yurten
United States42 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:49 Backpack wrote: Am I crazy or are neither of those posts showing up on his twitter? http://twitter.com/oGsMC so confused I signed out of twitter and they weren't there, but I log back in and they are there again. Maybe someone can back me up on this? | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
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KristianJS
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:01 yurten wrote: I signed out of twitter and they weren't there, but I log back in and they are there again. Maybe someone can back me up on this? I don't see them there either, but they show up when I use the direct link - maybe he deleted them? Maybe they're trying to reschedule or something? | ||
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hydra21
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cyprin
United States1105 Posts
Just let them play at a later time and don't cast the games, or cast the replays and make the vod available or something. This is getting ridiculous | ||
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Pixilated
United States82 Posts
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:32 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame. I think if they played 5 days, rest 1 day, they could have rescheduled some of the matched during the rest day. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:59 Zanno wrote: i think it's desireable to the current arrangement, because this will cause scoring drama down the road the way the scoring works in NASL is you get 2 points for a 2-0, and -2 points for an 0-2, then 1 and -1 for 2-1 and 1-2. for example, if one player goes 4-5 and another goes 4-4, the player who missed his match could win depending on the win % i'd say an absolute worst case scenario would be if there was a situation where the player who wins the group goes 8-0 and the second place player goes 8-1 with a walkover on the first place player you can see how messy this can get you could penalize them by not televising the matches, but at the rate the walkovers are piling up this isnt the correct solution Yeah I see what your saying, and that can certainly become quite a problem indeed. Its too bad they didnt think of these things ahead of time. They should of started their recordings like 3-4 weeks BEFORE the actual leagye started, so that they were constantly 4 weeks ahead of their current broadcast, and wouldnt run into these sort of problems (including the filimg 1 day before then hoping the encoding goes perfectly within the next 24hours). It just seems that they dont leave themselves much room for errors to happen, which as everyone knows with that many variables, they are bound to come about sooner or later. Overall it would be nice to see them try and film 3-4 weeks in advance if at all possible. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
These things are unavoidable in a league with so many players from all different regions in addition to its ambitiously packed schedule, but they still suck. You just know the NASL guys are most miffed about this. These games are the lifeblood of the league and the main appeal, losing any of them is a blow. On April 17 2011 06:08 Pixilated wrote: Wow, this is starting to become a real problem. I was so excited for all three of the games that have been canceled so far... D: These cancellations plus the lag issues in some of the other games (where the casters joined as observers and they couldn't tell the players to pause), combined with the poor VOD system/spoiler-filled website is starting to make me regret the $25 I paid for this. Maybe GSL is the way to go. Well, since you already paid the money perhaps it would behoove you to wait how the league develops from here. Remember, we're at day 3 out of 50. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:08 Pixilated wrote: Wow, this is starting to become a real problem. I was so excited for all three of the games that have been canceled so far... D: These cancellations plus the lag issues in some of the other games (where the casters joined as observers and they couldn't tell the players to pause), combined with the poor VOD system/spoiler-filled website is starting to make me regret the $25 I paid for this. Maybe GSL is the way to go. To quote Charlie Sheen... "'I already got your money, dude!" | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:01 Mohdoo wrote: I posted this in another thread that ended up being a duplicate, which is why it got locked, so posting here: This is getting to be too much. NASL wants to maintain their integrity as an organization by being firm with this stuff, but they are accomplishing the opposite. By having 3 matches so far not even happen, they are really hurting their prestige. So far, the following huge names haven't been able to play their matches: Naniwa July WhiteRa MC These players in specific were quite the hype-creators. If the NASL doesn't bend its rules to accommodate a player in the event of this happening again, I'll be extremely disappointed. The NASL needs the players just as badly, if not MORE than the players need them. There are a lot of other tournaments going on with big names, so the NASL is really hurting its image compared to these other tournaments by missing out on these big names playing in their league. I know they have a tight schedule and that there are reasons this happened. But the NASL can change that. I bought my NASL ticket, and although Moon vs Grubby alone was able to make it worth it, I sure as hell expected a lot more. I realize it is easy to play the blame game, but that isn't even the biggest issue here. It is in NASL's best interest to have all these super hyped games played. Even though players need to be more responsible, without these really hyped matches, the NASL is hurting its self. Yep, I'm in Australia so NASL scheduling was already difficult for me to be interested but without those players ............ my interest is basically at 0 now. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
That being said, would anyone find it acceptable for a player to skip dreamhack for NASL? would anyone find it acceptable for not to show up to a night of broadcasting on GSL for NASL? I think the overwhelming majority would say no. Therefore, if NASL is ever to be as top tier as the rest, why should it be their duty to schedule around all the other events if the other events aren't going to schedule around NASL? Ironically too, so many people demanded the BEST matches therefore the BEST players instead of keeping it more North American centric to avoid things like scheduling conflicts. On April 17 2011 04:55 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Yes, let's fly in 50 players for 12 weeks from all over the world so they cannot compete in any other LAN tournaments. That certainly makes sense. Really? Last time I checked, that's essentially what GSL players do and moreso, that was a large reason BW players would focus entirely on their leagues rather than tournaments overseas. People are failing to realize if NASL moves matches around it starts conflicting with other events, practice for upcoming matches in other leagues, and so on. The absolute BEST solution is for the players and their managing staff to help determine what they can and cannot play in. Guess what, nowadays we have GSL, MLG, dreamhack and other similar one off tournaments, NASL, and soon forthcoming even another one..the IGN pro league. You simply run into a logistical brickwall of not being able to be involved in all events and leagues. I understand this is a game played on the internet, but what you have to realize too is that it takes time and delicate handling of schedules. If there's football leagues in 10 countries a player isn't gonna try to participate in all of them because its not feasible. That's why when for example IdrA was playing in GSL he wasn't going to really any tournaments elsewhere because its a matter of feasability. For the sake of everything at stake, the biggest responsibility is on the players to bend to it all, not the organizations. Otherwise it digs into other events, potential free time and so on. Its reality, its being mature, and not finger pointing because a player didn't think ahead. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote: These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + Nope They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote: They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions They have? I don't think so. I've watched every single GSL match since season two, so unless it happened in season one, it never happened. Edit: They may have scheduled it so certain players don't have to play on certain days, but that is because the players came to them with the problem far in advance, which is not the issue here. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote: They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions This is probably false. In fact, I specifically remember IdrA not being able to attend a foreign tournament because the GSL wouldnt let him reschedule. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote: They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions You don't remember IdrA and Dreamhack, do you. The NASL is no better or worse than the GSL on scheduling. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:54 Voltaire wrote: They have? I don't think so. I've watched every single GSL match since season two, so unless it happened in season one, it never happened. Edit: They may have scheduled it so certain players don't have to play on certain days, but that is because the players came to them with the problem far in advance, which is not the issue here. As I recall, IdrA had to cancel an appearance at some European tournament because GSL wouldn't reschedule his match despite having been made aware of the conflict well in advance. However, that may have just been IdrA - people don't generally like to do favors for assholes after all. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:57 Pyo wrote: As I recall, IdrA had to cancel an appearance at some European tournament because GSL wouldn't reschedule his match despite having been made aware of the conflict well in advance. Yeah, he did. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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yurten
United States42 Posts
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote: These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + Nope Well you cant really compare NASL to GSL its like comparing division 6 to the World Cup, well allmost the refs in the lower divisions actually get there players to play!! | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:41 Alizee- wrote: Really? Last time I checked, that's essentially what GSL players do and moreso, that was a large reason BW players would focus entirely on their leagues rather than tournaments overseas. First, this isn't BW, so what happened in the BW scene means nothing. The GSL is completely different. It isn't 12 weeks long first of all, and all but two of the players in the GSL (Code S as well as A) are from Korea and live in team houses that are near the studio as far as I know. Hell, the players that are foreigners (HuK and Jinro) live at these team houses as well. This is not true here. Do you know how difficult and expensive it would be to house 50 players for 12 weeks? There aren't a bunch of team houses in California near the NASL studio. The situation with the GSL in Korea and the NASL situation here are completely different. You really can't compare them. | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
even if they don't have time to broadcast it its still better for the league if the games are actually played | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2574 Posts
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:45 archflames wrote: mc, what goes around comes around Oh please... People whining about the proxy 2 gate is so stupid. | ||
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burster
Canada66 Posts
if the games arent going to be cast legit live but prerecorded live, i find it no difference if they cast it off replays... | ||
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VvyzZ
United States26 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:15 burster wrote: players play the games, send replays in to NASL, works fine in TSL. if the games arent going to be cast legit live but prerecorded live, i find it no difference if they cast it off replays... Yeah there's no difference for you or me or any other viewer of the stream, but there's a huge difference for the people actually producing it. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:18 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Yeah there's no difference for you or me or any other viewer of the stream, but there's a huge difference for the people actually producing it. omg its more hassle and work for the people producing it....then again at least if they keep cancelling the best matches they wont have to worry about producing anything. | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:15 burster wrote: players play the games, send replays in to NASL, works fine in TSL. if the games arent going to be cast legit live but prerecorded live, i find it no difference if they cast it off replays... If I'm not mistaken replays tend to go off sync frequently. This would add more problems. I don't get why people make such a big deal over the NASL being prerecorded. You wouldn't even be able to tell if no one told you, so stop acting like a little kid. I prefer it prerecorded because the games are smoother and there is minimal time between games. | ||
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iSometric
2221 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... petas coming after you | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:25 Frozenhelfire wrote: If I'm not mistaken replays tend to go off sync frequently. This would add more problems. I don't get why people make such a big deal over the NASL being prerecorded. You wouldn't even be able to tell if no one told you, so stop acting like a little kid. I prefer it prerecorded because the games are smoother and there is minimal time between games. Yeah, there's NO way you can tell that the GSL is actually live. I mean, it's not like you can see the players playing or something... Prerecorded online games are just not the same as an actual tournament. | ||
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eXwOn
Canada351 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:24 Falcor wrote: omg its more hassle and work for the people producing it....then again at least if they keep cancelling the best matches they wont have to worry about producing anything. Let me ask you a question, since you're so critical of the NASL. If you were producing a huge tournament/league like the NASL, what would you do if a situation like White-Ra's occurred? What about a situation like MC's? | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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Ren91
United Kingdom190 Posts
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
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eazo
United States530 Posts
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Sonofosiris
21 Posts
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scatmango2
United States408 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:34 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Let me ask you a question, since you're so critical of the NASL. If you were producing a huge tournament/league like the NASL, what would you do if a situation like White-Ra's occurred? What about a situation like MC's? I wouldnt scheduale a match to occur friday sat sun or mon of a weekend that has those players schedualed at a lan. Porblem solved. For matches that are delayed which is out of the players hand(ie plane being delayed) delay the fucking game dont cancel it. I dont think people will mind watching that matchup another day even tho that means a extra game needing to be casted. But see im not trying to run a million dollar organization(said its been approved for 3 seasons) so its not my job to do work arounds. Its their job to figure this shit out that keeps their fans happy, cancelling big games when you arent casting live isnt acceptable. If they cant figure out how to fix it hire someone who does edit: and i came up with all that on the top of my head on very little sleep. They had months to figure this out. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:41 Falcor wrote: I wouldnt scheduale a match to occur friday sat sun or mon of a weekend that has those players schedualed at a lan. Porblem solved. For matches that are delayed which is out of the players hand(ie plane being delayed) delay the fucking game dont cancel it. I dont think people will mind watching that matchup another day even tho that means a extra game needing to be casted. But see im not trying to run a million dollar organization(said its been approved for 3 seasons) so its not my job to do work arounds. Its their job to figure this shit out that keeps their fans happy, cancelling big games when you arent casting live isnt acceptable. If they cant figure out how to fix it hire someone who does edit: and i came up with all that on the top of my head on very little sleep. They had months to figure this out. Players that were invited and accepted new the schedule before we did, they know when they have to play, if they want to go to a LAN or some other tournament fine, but its their responsibility to be able to play their NASL match, or there opponent gets a walkover. With the schedule already being released ( and the players knowing it before we saw it) I don`t see how anyone but the players are to blame for missing their match. Yes oGsMC is missing it because of a plane, but blaming that on the NASL is just rediculous. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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vict1019
United States401 Posts
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:41 Falcor wrote: I wouldnt scheduale a match to occur friday sat sun or mon of a weekend that has those players schedualed at a lan. Porblem solved. Wasnt this game scheduled for Wednesday? and the Naniwa game for Tuesday? | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:46 SMD wrote: Players that were invited and accepted new the schedule before we did, they know when they have to play, if they want to go to a LAN or some other tournament fine, but its their responsibility to be able to play their NASL match, or there opponent gets a walkover. With the schedule already being released ( and the players knowing it before we saw it) I don`t see how anyone but the players are to blame for missing their match. Yes oGsMC is missing it because of a plane, but blaming that on the NASL is just rediculous. when nasl made they scheduale they also knew about when the big lans were happening. And if the organizers didnt realize lan always comes before online(especially group play) the league is going to be riddled with issues and they wont ever be fixed. On April 17 2011 07:50 BigLighthouse wrote: Wasnt this game scheduled for Wednesday? and the Naniwa game for Tuesday? IE out of the players hand(plane delay) and naniwa i actually agree with the nasl...he said he was to tired to play the match or something retarded like that so he should be charged the losses edit: and im not saying its nasl's fault shit happens... but bottom line it is nasls job to show matches the fans want to see and if they cant do that... | ||
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ahx
Canada132 Posts
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hadhubhi
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
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brentsen
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sashqinCho
Russian Federation131 Posts
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Me1234
Germany219 Posts
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tl01234
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
This BS posters are spouting about having make up games or rescheduling on the last minute is ridiculous. This is a professional league and a player can no more miss a scheduled appointment here than I can with a doctor, a job interview, etc without expecting repercussions. It sucks that we the spectators are missing matches, but that's on the players making commitments that they couldn't keep, not on the NASL. | ||
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Me1234
Germany219 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:07 tl01234 wrote: Who cares, ogsmc is a cocky prick. The dude needs to deflate his head. I care... another walkover, this lets NASL look bad and I want to see great games, already so many possible great games ended with walkover just because the people couldnt play. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
So much more flexibility in scheduling. "It's almost like live" is BS. It just doesn't work when you have to schedule people from all over the world and have to live cast on a tight schedule. Feel kinda sorry for Brat_Ok who trained so hard, but then again he might be happy he got the free wins. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:51 ahx wrote: Some of the people on here.. /facepalm. What exactly does this have to do with the NASL? MC can't make his match, NASL goes live in an hour&1/2 and you're mad at them? call the airline company that made MC miss his match.. the hell is wrong with some of you. "Wait, a player has to make a trip after a major, reputable event? Let's schedule the match a couple hours after they get home! There's NO WAY that can go wrong!" It seems like NASL just wants a "monopoly" on players. They either forfeit any major event, or they don't play in the tournament. While it's expected that players make their best effort to attend their match, NASL should realize that they should make some effort to avoid "close calls" and other conflicts. It's in their best interests. My choir directors can schedule 80+ students for solo and ensemble contest within a 6 hour period taking into account any conflicts they are informed of better than NASL handles well-known conflicts. Again, it just seems to me that they're going for quantity over quality. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:18 Zeke50100 wrote: "Wait, a player has to make a trip after a major, reputable event? Let's schedule the match a couple hours after they get home! There's NO WAY that can go wrong!" It seems like NASL just wants a "monopoly" on players. They either forfeit any major event, or they don't play in the tournament. While it's expected that players make their best effort to attend their match, NASL should realize that they should make some effort to avoid "close calls" and other conflicts. It's in their best interests. My choir directors can schedule 80+ students for solo and ensemble contest within a 6 hour period taking into account any conflicts they are informed of better than NASL handles well-known conflicts. Again, it just seems to me that they're going for quantity over quality. There's the key. Onus is on the players to make it known that they need a match rescheduled. | ||
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Dali.
New Zealand689 Posts
Allowing a reschedule would be super accommodating of both the player and the league, but if you begin setting the precedent that you won't be penalized if you don't attend your scheduled match time, then the league may simply dissolve. | ||
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote: This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up. | ||
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:21 Dali. wrote: Almost no one has actual noted how bullshit it would be for BRAT_OK to have to reschedule his life around someone elses misfortune. Obviously it is the sportsmanly thing to do, but he should be no way obliged to. Which ever way you look at it, BRAT_OK followed the schedule and MC did not. BRAT_OK would have to disrupt his week as well as the fact that he has lost time keeping the day of the match free. Allowing a reschedule would be super accommodating of both the player and the league, but if you begin setting the precedent that you won't be penalized if you don't attend your scheduled match time, then the league may simply dissolve. Yeah, but man, i wanted to see some epic TvP series D: Haven't seen Brat play for ages since he started training with his team in Kiev D:< I WANT BRATOKDROPS D:<<< | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote: This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up. It actually has a lot to do with it, because the scheduling of NASL requires that players play on a certain day with little leeway in-between. Not sure about MC, but White-Ra and Naniwa should have been able to play if they had the whole week in advance to play their games. Of course, missing a scheduled match isn't good behavior, but part of the reason these players miss their scheduled matches is because the matches are scheduled on a razor's edge. For White-Ra they required him to play during Dreamhack while he was in Sweden. For Naniwa and MC it was right after they came back from Dreamack. Basically, Dreamhack screwed everything up for NASL this first week, but come MLG or IEM or GSL time, things could be just as bad. | ||
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dderoma
United States11 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13931 Posts
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote: This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up. And being casted from replays means the schedule will be far more flexible for BOTH players. Korean doesn't have to play at 4 am or players with LAN tournament can play before the events started. Games can be played at more appropriate time for both players. Walk-over games can be prevented and it does not make any difference if the game streamed live or casted from replay. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:40 Shana wrote: And being casted from replays means the schedule will be far more flexible for BOTH players. Korean doesn't have to play at 4 am or players with LAN tournament can play before the events started. Games can be played at more appropriate time for both players. Walk-over games can be prevented and it does not make any difference if the game streamed live or casted from replay. Some games are played early because it's necessary for a player in Korea, a player in Europe, and a referee from the NASL in California to be in the game. Please elaborate on what kind of amazing time bending technology Blizzard has included with their replay feature that is allowing replay casted games to circumvent these inherent problems with international online leagues. | ||
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:52 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote: So many walk overs, why do they all have to be the insane great matches? Because Dreamhack invited the best players. Every w/o so far has been because of Dreamhack in one way or another. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
They're doing everything they can to accommodate the players, and they have literally no control over it. They even just added in an extra day of lee-way for players. Cut the league some slack, sheesh. So many whiners. | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3371 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:47 Bear4188 wrote: Some games are played early because it's necessary for a player in Korea, a player in Europe, and a referee from the NASL in California to be in the game. Please elaborate on what kind of amazing time bending technology Blizzard has included with their replay feature that is allowing replay casted games to circumvent these inherent problems with international online leagues. I think what he meant is that if it s casted from a replay the players can talk to each other about a decent time (not 4 am), because at any give time in the world you cannot have more than 12hours between 2 people. Therefore it can be 9am for player A and 9pm for player B and not 10pm-4am (or the like). obviously one may argue that some players might have a job too and cant play during the day anyways, making such arrangements impossible. I was just developing his opinion, not stating my own | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:47 Bear4188 wrote: Some games are played early because it's necessary for a player in Korea, a player in Europe, and a referee from the NASL in California to be in the game. Please elaborate on what kind of amazing time bending technology Blizzard has included with their replay feature that is allowing replay casted games to circumvent these inherent problems with international online leagues. Sigh... Casting from replays is the way to go because that way you can literally just have anyone affiliated with NASL in the games as a ref just to make sure everything goes smoothly. Right now it requires Gretorp and Incontrol to be at the studio and in the games. This also means they can find any day out of the week where they're both able to play the series. The King of the Beta tournament was 10x better than the NASL and that was months ago pre-launch and organized by one guy. Come on. | ||
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xxjondxx
United States89 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
MLG weekend should be interesting. I hope they have a good backup plan for those dates. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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TooN
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TooN
1046 Posts
On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote: These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + Nope well.. GSL is player in a studio. | ||
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Greem
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Klogbert
United States139 Posts
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
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Lori_ftw
Germany286 Posts
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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Klogbert
United States139 Posts
On April 17 2011 09:27 Lori_ftw wrote: Thats how it looks when you start a tournament with 5matches/day... and the joke is, that great matchups are walkovers. ofc the great matches are the walk overs...they are the players who have to travel the most, and will have the fullest schedules...They need to start rescheduling these games, if they aren't going to reschedule than they need to award losses to the players who don't show, whether or not it's out of their control, the standings are going to be hard to decipher at the end. MC is going to be at a distinct advantage or a disadvantage because his lack of games will make it easier to raise his winning percentage or lower it. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:56 Whitewing wrote: Stop trashing NASL over it, players occasionally have problems and can't play, it's not the league's fault. They're doing everything they can to accommodate the players, and they have literally no control over it. They even just added in an extra day of lee-way for players. Cut the league some slack, sheesh. So many whiners. The league should know better to re-re-re accommodate these players that literally are flying over planet earth to play in other tournaments to make a living. Giving walkovers in a small online tourney when players don't show up? Ok, acceptable. Giving walkovers against high profile players that are traveling, in a tournament that is supposedly trying to make itself more legit as time passes...not the best idea for all parties involved imo, especially NASL. Can only get them more negative press, and it's hard to argue in their defense on this one... Hopefully they fix these issues and accommodate players further than what they think is sufficient accommodation. I don't watch NASL, but I can't see how this is anything but a let down to fans that are giving NASL a chance and watching it + even paying for it. | ||
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lowkontrast
United States855 Posts
On April 17 2011 09:07 WGT-Baal wrote: I think what he meant is that if it s casted from a replay the players can talk to each other about a decent time (not 4 am), because at any give time in the world you cannot have more than 12hours between 2 people. Therefore it can be 9am for player A and 9pm for player B and not 10pm-4am (or the like). obviously one may argue that some players might have a job too and cant play during the day anyways, making such arrangements impossible. I was just developing his opinion, not stating my own 10pm-4am is only 6 hours... lol. | ||
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote: This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. You're completely right ;\ Notice how there are no walkovers in the TSL? They do it right, and they're much more flexible with the scheduling of when people need to play it seems. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
When the IGN league is out, I can imagine even more overlaps... | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
What is? | ||
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parkLife
Canada125 Posts
So I'm assuming (since I can't be entirely certain) that BratOk chose to take the W.O. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
These things do happen in other sports leagues. In the NFL, one of the stadiums was flooded this year, I think it was the Vikings or another northern NFC team. When that happened, they just rescheduled the game, found a different venue (at a college I think) and made it free for anyone who came. The NASL really needs to have a similar policy for unforeseen circumstances. It makes much more sense than a team or a player playing less games than everyone else. | ||
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Vorlik
1522 Posts
On April 17 2011 09:45 TaKemE wrote: I dont understand why they dont get losses thought... Some of the guys who have to play MC later might as well not show up since MC is so good they will lose anyway but by finding an excuse to not show up they dont get losses. :D It's true. People can start abusing this and making excuses to get 0-0 against people they think they'll lose to. It's very unlikely though. | ||
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Crt
247 Posts
if it's team/board of trustees/organization who decided that, then the whole team should be fired and never be allowed to host a tournament again. how stupid. | ||
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
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Crt
247 Posts
1. downplay lag 2. disrespecting players by not accommodating. | ||
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sickle
New Zealand656 Posts
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Fkin hell the 3rd day in a row -.- this tourney is so great... oh wait nvm | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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wildwest
England78 Posts
lol Im so disapointed to. first whitera vs july than strelok vs naniwa and now bratok vs mc. what a bulshit of tournament | ||
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wildwest
England78 Posts
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:28 wildwest wrote: plane delayed my ass ..what? | ||
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wildwest
England78 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:28 wildwest wrote: plane delayed my ass am i the only one who read this funny? | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:28 wildwest wrote: plane delayed my ass So what happened? | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
Anyone elses liquibet which just keeps on dropping down the sink, ever since the TSL started? Foreigners and their god damn upsets. I used to be top 20 atleast, and now I'm hovering around 2000. | ||
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Makavillin
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
Understandable and not the NASL's fault, but still disappointing. | ||
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Soto
Canada56 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:59 Euronyme wrote: Oh my GOD. Anyone elses liquibet which just keeps on dropping down the sink, ever since the TSL started? Foreigners and their god damn upsets. I used to be top 20 atleast, and now I'm hovering around 2000. This is NASL but ok.. | ||
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Soto
Canada56 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:10 Haydin wrote: So Dreamhack basically messed up 3 NASL matches over a course of a week? Understandable and not the NASL's fault, but still disappointing. Ya it is just bad luck/planning by people involved I suppose. Saddest part is the 3 players who failed to show for time reasons are 3 of the favorites to win the whole tourny i'd say (the best toss in korea and the best 2 foreign toss). | ||
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Kvothe
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
the plane delayed his ass clearly, whats difficult to understand about that | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
At the end, if he's 6-2 for instance, does that beat someone who was 6-4, or even someone 7-3? Is rank determined by wins, or win %? | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:28 Kvothe wrote: So NASL couldn't have delayed this match a day? Someone's plane is delayed, and he even informed NASL about it, yet they can't push this back one day. Very poor decision making imo. What are you talking about? Yes he let them know, but what he let them know is that his plane was delayed and that he wouldn't make the scheduled time to play his match. When you're organizing a huge tournament you cannot make scheduling changes at the drop of a hat, it does not work. How is it bad decision making? I really don't understand why so many people are faulting NASL for something out of their control. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Sgany
United Kingdom790 Posts
Shame was looking forward to the game. | ||
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
There seems to be inconsistency if I am reporting this correctly. Also, if you knew you were going to lose couldn't you just make up an excuse and just not receive the losses potentially? *scratches head* | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:47 EnderSword wrote: So like...what's the difference between being given Losses or not? At the end, if he's 6-2 for instance, does that beat someone who was 6-4, or even someone 7-3? Is rank determined by wins, or win %? I agree this makes for much confusion and potential abuse. I wonder if the top players feel that they'll be safe anyways, as well as NASL being a very high game count for them to play.. that they'd rather not expose themselves to - at least while they are still safe from elimination. All the people who have missed, are big money winners... so they can afford to be selective. Making them 0-0, instead of 0-1... just further encourages it for all the reasons stated above. **Overall, NASL is far better than I anticipated.... I think they have a chance to be quite successful. Incontrol has amazing casting potential... the post game interviews are AMAZING!!!!** | ||
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Mitchlew
Australia428 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On April 17 2011 12:18 Corrik wrote: I am so confused. MC doesn't get a loss but Brat_OK gets 2 wins? Didn't Naniwa not get a loss but his opponent got 1 win? And didn't July get 2 wins and Whitera got the losses? There seems to be inconsistency if I am reporting this correctly. Also, if you knew you were going to lose couldn't you just make up an excuse and just not receive the losses potentially? *scratches head* Korean players are worth 2 wins while foreigners are worth 1!!! | ||
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Avaloch
241 Posts
On April 17 2011 12:18 Corrik wrote: I am so confused. MC doesn't get a loss but Brat_OK gets 2 wins? Didn't Naniwa not get a loss but his opponent got 1 win? And didn't July get 2 wins and Whitera got the losses? There seems to be inconsistency if I am reporting this correctly. Also, if you knew you were going to lose couldn't you just make up an excuse and just not receive the losses potentially? *scratches head* MC didn't get a loss because he contacted NASL to tell them that he cannot play the match because he is stuck in Istanbul. Whitera didn't tell them and was even called and e-mailed but he didn't respond. Therefore he was awarded losses for being MIA. | ||
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Nineteen_
United States34 Posts
))) <3 love man | ||
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oGm`REM
United States870 Posts
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RBKeys
Canada196 Posts
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:39 AKspartan wrote: oGsMC should invest in a gaming laptop so he can play his matches at the airport. oGsMC should invest in his own airline so he doesn't get flight delays. On a serious note, I knew this tournament was too good to be true. Online tournament + live stream = lots of hiccups. What they could've done was have the games played on weekdays a week earlier, then streamed it next week and then if there are any problems with players not showing up for a GOOD reason (not sleeping in, etc) they should be allowed to rescheduled to play on the weekend. Actually, this is probably a must for all online tournaments since they are sort of looked down on because of so many factors involving online play (lag, hacks for example). Those people who didn't buy the $25 ticket are probably loling at us subscribers as more W.O.s occur. I am disappoint | ||
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Propane
United States4 Posts
If there are still issues rescheduling for 1 day late I'd like to see make up games take place later in the season whenever both players get some free time. It would probably be pretty easy to just get any trusted person in NASL to observe a makeup game at any time and cast those as replay instead of live like the normally scheduled games. Even if it's not as good as the live commentated games, I'd prefer replay games to walkovers. EDIT: I'd also like to see no shows without contacting NASL take a fine on their deposit, but then have to reschedule with a 1 game penalty instead of a complete walkover. More games is always better than no games. (The fine could even be given to the other player to compensate for their wasted time) | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:10 Turgid wrote: Omg if there's another walkover... The NASL turns out to become the tournament of walkovers ... and I doubt that is a good thing. I seriously hope they change their casting to casting from replays instead of this rigid way they are doing it now. Three walkovers in one week are unacceptable IMO, thats more than 10% of the games. On April 17 2011 12:18 Corrik wrote: I am so confused. MC doesn't get a loss but Brat_OK gets 2 wins? Didn't Naniwa not get a loss but his opponent got 1 win? And didn't July get 2 wins and Whitera got the losses? There seems to be inconsistency if I am reporting this correctly. Also, if you knew you were going to lose couldn't you just make up an excuse and just not receive the losses potentially? *scratches head* That confusion has to do with the stupid terms the NASL uses for their standings. "Points" is actually the "goal difference" (maps won / lost) and the "real points" is called "record" (and can go negative and I dont think they are thinking about draws). I wish they would change this ASAP to lessen the confusion. So the guys who get the walkover get "+1 record, +2 points" and if the NASL feels they are to blame for the games loss or if outside forces made it impossible the loser doesnt get anything negative, but if they think the loser in that matchup is to blame he gets "-1 record, -2 points". | ||
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drox22
129 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:48 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: What are you talking about? Yes he let them know, but what he let them know is that his plane was delayed and that he wouldn't make the scheduled time to play his match. When you're organizing a huge tournament you cannot make scheduling changes at the drop of a hat, it does not work. How is it bad decision making? I really don't understand why so many people are faulting NASL for something out of their control. Explain why it's impossible for them to reschedule the game for tomorrow and cast the games of replays and upload it to youtube. No problem at all, a 3 year old could do that. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:02 Parnage wrote: Some of things I've read in this make me want to slam my head into my desk a few times. Seriously, every NASL thread seems to devolve into "NASL needs to do better and.. umm control everything!" The players signed a contract, they didn't show or in this case they where unable to show due to most likely an Act of God due to weather causing a flight delay. The NASL works on a tight broadcasting schedule trying to give a lot of great games in a short amount of time ie casting/recording the day before broadcast(2 days as of next week if I am reading the rescheduling right). What do you expect them to do? Seriously, they don't employ a wizard to control everything to work out perfectly bad luck happens. Stop blaming NASL for it. It's childish as best and at worst it's just.. unfathomably foolish. It's not foolish if you've bought a 25$ ticket and not getting to see the games you expected to see. | ||
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toasti0
Australia22 Posts
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Tracedragon
United States948 Posts
This isn't looking too good for NASL... | ||
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
They really need to do something about their schedule issues. Perhaps they should do what the TSL3 is doing and just cast the replays, letting the players (along with one or two ref watchers, who obviously don't have to be Gretorp/InControl/etc.) play them at their convenience within a certain flexible timespan. Defending NASL because they set out to do something absurdly challenging and have failed is foolish. They shouldn't be surprised that these issues come up. It's the responsibility of the league (if they want to be successful) to serve the fans, and it's clear that they need to come up with a more flexible format. They can still broadcast 5 games per night, but they might need to have the actual games played up to a week prior to broadcast. TSL3 does this and results haven't been leaked. Also, this would allow the casts to actually be live, if NASL desires. Also, 3 forfeited matches is kind of unacceptable. While NASL is fixing these other issues, they should probably try to find a way to get the 3 forfeited matches played (since they never would have been forfeited if NASL hadn't tried to force players to play games around Dreamhack). | ||
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Wiiaboo
Canada44 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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raist
Canada90 Posts
We've all asked for the top foreigners to play in this league and now it is biting us in the ass. I don't understand why so many people want the NASL to fail just so they can point a finger and laugh, then move on to QQ'ing about some other topics that don't meet everyones personal expectations. Ah well, live and learn.. we are only 4 days in | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
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Sonofosiris
21 Posts
On April 17 2011 15:52 raist wrote: I don't think casting from replays is what they want to do. Yes it is a re-stream but the games are casted live, it gives it that live feeling. We've all asked for the top foreigners to play in this league and now it is biting us in the ass. I don't understand why so many people want the NASL to fail just so they can point a finger and laugh, then move on to QQ'ing about some other topics that don't meet everyones personal expectations. Ah well, live and learn.. we are only 4 days in To me it really doesn't give that live feeling, it honestly just feels like we are watching a replay anyways. Something needs to be done though | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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TrANCE,
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
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Eurekastreet
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On April 17 2011 16:26 Eurekastreet wrote: can brat_ok (or someone else) win the whole thing thanks to multiple walkovers ? No. And MC, White-ra, and Naniwa are still in it. As is anyone who lost. | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On April 17 2011 16:07 jdseemoreglass wrote: Why do we lose liquibets for these forfeits? It's not a big deal or anything, but it would make more sense to just remove the matchup, right? Makes sense. | ||
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Trakz
Canada178 Posts
On April 17 2011 16:07 jdseemoreglass wrote: Why do we lose liquibets for these forfeits? It's not a big deal or anything, but it would make more sense to just remove the matchup, right? I would have to agree. I think they should give everybody a win or just remove it. | ||
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sickle
New Zealand656 Posts
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LastDance
New Zealand510 Posts
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Sanz
150 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:26 Femeny wrote: Personally, I would rather have MC vs Brat_OK played off camera and just hear the result, than having Brat_OK get a 2-0 because they couldn't schedule the match in time for the stream. Those little things are really ruining the (otherwise very good) tournament =( MC's on a plane? At least give him 1 (only 1!) chance to reschedule! Same goes for the White-Ra situation... Who cares if there will only be 3 games that night and then 5 games the next night. We all know that if you have 50! players from all over the world fighting each other over 3 weeks you cant expect the scheduling to be perfect. Let the scheduling be a little flexible. I think the viewers would prefer that. QFT I think this and the lack of production value goes hand in hand (in my mind at least) | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9021 Posts
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kalleralle
Sweden183 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 17 2011 18:14 LastDance wrote: I see nothing wrong with the decisions NASL has made so far, they're just trying to bring/enforce professionalism to Starcraft 2. In my opinion, the players managers' should be on the firing line, not NASL nor the players themselves. Yes, rage at the managers because we got stuck in Turkey for 24 hours due to a delayed flight, that mmakes sense. I dislike the inflexibility of their system, not having big matches because of unavoidable circumstances isnt good for them either. | ||
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weeA
India442 Posts
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Nightkaira
Singapore412 Posts
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FIRETRUCK
Sweden78 Posts
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B.I.G.
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
Until you improve on both your quality and decision making with scheduling I will not be purchasing a ticket from you NASL. Forfeiting wins and/or simply giving wins due to schedules just doesn't make sense when most of this community has paid MONEY to watch these matches that NASL has hyped and promised. | ||
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fds
Slovenia258 Posts
Average Joe would like to watch interesting games. He is not interested in politics (live/prerecorded/casted from replays). As long as you will deliver games Joe will be happy. You also have to realize players have huge part in your show. Only top players are capable of producing series like Sen versus Boxer. We rather watch 1 “fucking awesome” series per day than 5 average ones. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:17 Tegin wrote: I don't understand why they can't just reschedule the match..or let them play it out and let us know the FAIR outcome? Make vods, or hell just release the replays. All the community wants is to see these high profile players play! Until you improve on both your quality and decision making with scheduling I will not be purchasing a ticket from you NASL. Forfeiting wins and/or simply giving wins due to schedules just doesn't make sense when most of this community has paid MONEY to watch these matches that NASL has hyped and promised. If games are supposed to be played on a thursday, and you have games every other weakday 2, how the hell are you supposed to find time to reschedule. The only solution i see is to play the game like a week in advance, but then the chance of the results getting out are way bigger, so i dont really know. I think that this just have been an unfortunate week and that things will be better next week. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
2) did white-ra get 0 losses as well? because I dont see how his situation is any different from this one. | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
Honestly I'd give players a 48hr period when games have to be completed. If not completed I'd penalize the players and let them make up the series the next week (similar to a double header on baseball when they makeup games due to rainouts). If not completed by the 2nd week I'd DQ player(s). 48hrs is plenty of time for both players to complete a BO 3/5/7. If players can't do that in 2 weeks they need to rethink being in the league. And to confirm what I meant by penalizing player(s), depending on what reasoning was given for the games not being completed, could range from starting the series 0-1 to being ineligible for the playoffs. Yes it may be no ones fault, the players, or NASL's..but NASL will be the one taking the heat in the end when matchups are not completed. | ||
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edidas
Sweden78 Posts
The stream quality is terrible, the casting duo have zero appeal and the forfeiting mess. I would never pay for the season pass. This tournament needs to be free for a period of time and they need to shape up something fierce. Someone said that they were trying to uphold profesionalism, I can't see a trace of it | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
It sounds as if MC should have... (puts on sunglasses) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/AllEyezOnE/PaperAiursmall.jpg) YEEAAAAHH! | ||
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Wawa
United States215 Posts
They need players to give more room for scheduling NASL matches. I think NASL is doing a good job. Keeping to schedule and such. The players haven't really adjusted to the system so far. (Especially the ones who will go to a lot of tournies). also, I think NASL should throw in the $250 fine to the players for not showing up. This should help. Prevent walk-over wins and such. <3 white-ra | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
To draw a parallel if TSL organised TSL 3 the same then we wouldn't have got to see Boxer because of him being ill in hospital. These kinds of things are unavoidable in a tournament that runs for weeks they should have something in place to deal with the odd occasion because being so rigid is going to hurt the league. Maybe give every player two passes which they can use whenever to delay a game for a week and do a double header if they use it. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
NASL / MLG bye. | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:59 Sina92 wrote: GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc. NASL / MLG bye. 100% agree. | ||
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BigJoe
United States210 Posts
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:59 Sina92 wrote: GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc. NASL / MLG bye. Agreed! Dropping the most anticipated matches is really bad for a tournament that wants to be up there with the GSL. | ||
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oRacLeGosu
Norway151 Posts
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Frozzen
Sweden73 Posts
On April 17 2011 05:50 eXigent. wrote: That would be a great idea. If they set aside 1 week after all the group play, for all of the W.O's to be played. The downside to doing that is that more players will assume they can put the NASL on the back burner over another tournament happening at the sametime, and still be able to make up their matches later on. This would most certainly lead to some amount of abuse, and alot of work for the NASL people to deal with. That's what I said in the Nani thread, so I continued to think about it and really if a player doesn't show or have to recheduel his game then the player that showed should be able to get some sort of advantage in a rescheduled match. The obvious advantage would be that the player that shows will pick the map pool for the recheduled game. | ||
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pompey606
United Kingdom98 Posts
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skrillakid
Sweden20 Posts
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Aksar
United States6 Posts
NASL is well aware of this and I am certain they will be considering ways to adapt more when things like this arise. You still have my support as long as you are remaining transparent. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:52 Wawa wrote: I think NASL wants the players learn how to commit to the league. They need players to give more room for scheduling NASL matches. I think NASL is doing a good job. Keeping to schedule and such. The players haven't really adjusted to the system so far. (Especially the ones who will go to a lot of tournies). also, I think NASL should throw in the $250 fine to the players for not showing up. This should help. Prevent walk-over wins and such. <3 white-ra Dude, NASL is a new tournament they cant learn the players anything that have to be earned first. In comparison is like "the story about the new kid on the block trowing candy at every1 in order to get them to like him" Dont work like that im affraid and the sooner NASL realise it the better.. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:52 Wawa wrote: I think NASL wants the players learn how to commit to the league. They need players to give more room for scheduling NASL matches. I think NASL is doing a good job. Keeping to schedule and such. The players haven't really adjusted to the system so far. (Especially the ones who will go to a lot of tournies). also, I think NASL should throw in the $250 fine to the players for not showing up. This should help. Prevent walk-over wins and such. <3 white-ra Not many "pro"gamers have 250 to throw when IRL shit happens, and lets be honest. IRL shit DOES happen, MC doesnt fly the plane. So all he can do is book his flight and show up for it like he did. That's something that is out of his control and he shouldn't be punished monetarily. That idea is LOL. | ||
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KaveX
Germany59 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:20 fds wrote: Average Joe would like to watch interesting games. He is not interested in politics (live/prerecorded/casted from replays). As long as you will deliver games Joe will be happy. That's not true – Average Joe cares way more whether the games are live or not than Average TL User does. | ||
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darksage78
Canada243 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:59 Sina92 wrote: GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc. NASL / MLG bye. Agreed, while all these tournaments are great for the scene I think it is now bordering on too much to watch. They're going to have to compete in terms of delivering the best games and optimizing their production quality for the audience's time. If TSL3 and Dreamhack have shown me anything its that the west is capable of GSL tier production. They have also shown intensely entertaining games, just take yesterday's TSL3 match ups for example and Dreamhack's in general. People are also going to be drawn in by all the big names, I think that if people aren't going to be promised these games and unfortunately due to whatever circumstance you can't deliver, the audience is going to start moving away. And as much as I hate to see it happen, I think it is with NASL. I'm really looking forward to today's TSL3, I can honestly say I don't really have anticipation for any NASL broadcasts anymore. Just my thoughts. | ||
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OrangeApples
137 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:20 fds wrote: Organizers (NASL) will have to adapt otherwise they will lose public. Average Joe would like to watch interesting games. He is not interested in politics (live/prerecorded/casted from replays). As long as you will deliver games Joe will be happy. You also have to realize players have huge part in your show. Only top players are capable of producing series like Sen versus Boxer. We rather watch 1 “fucking awesome” series per day than 5 average ones. It's actually a little too late for that, they've already lost face. The responses of the thread showed that there is already a lot of negative feedback towards the inflexibility of the matches, especially when a lot of the hyped matches ended up with a walk-over. | ||
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DarkGeneral
Canada328 Posts
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
It's not as if it was MCs fault. Further more, the tournament can go on even if the match is played one/a few days later. Rescheduling the match doesn't harm anyone but the NASL. I absolutely can't understand this decision. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:32 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame. Bro I bet you can tell the flight company to not delay a flight in Denmark. Go ahead and see how good that works out | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:13 FIRETRUCK wrote: why can't he play from korea then? Because he wasnt stuck in Korea, he was stuck in Turkey, in a hotel room  ? | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On April 17 2011 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Because he wasnt stuck in Korea, he was stuck in Turkey, in a hotel room ?I just can't get behind penalizing, especially penalizing a pro gamer monetarily for something 100% out of his control. Especially considering it's not like pro gamers are raking in fat stacks of cash. The I could maybe understand, but let's get real guys. I make more money per year as a construction worker than I'd say almost every single sc2 pro gamer. Not to mention most sports leagues that fine players, have players making huge contracted amounts.Not 0 money unless a tourney is won.Maybe in the future, but when people (especially in korea) have to win the big tourney to get a decent amount of money, which is then divided into the team in most cases 250 is a huge hit and would deter more pros entirely. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
The compromise is one player gets two wins and the other player gets better tie breakers. That way they can continue producing more games. How is this hard to understand? | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
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mr.reee
121 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On April 17 2011 23:34 DarkGeneral wrote: man NASL is having a pretty rough start :/ yeah, after the awesome announcements , the start is pretty bad. They are pretty much the hope of e-sports so ill hope this will be it. | ||
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KaveX
Germany59 Posts
On April 18 2011 00:34 TheAwesomeAll wrote: They are pretty much the hope of e-sports The NASL is most definitely not the hope of e-sports. It's influence on the industry is marginal at best. | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
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acenapster
Canada58 Posts
On April 18 2011 00:38 KaveX wrote: The NASL is most definitely not the hope of e-sports. It's influence on the industry is marginal at best. The NASL is what many people are hoping what lets e-sports boom in north america. It was (and I think still will) supposed to bring in and create more fans of esports. IdrA left Korea to focus more on the NASL and I think the tournament has the best production value out of any other tournament I have seen. It is on a strict schedule to bring us matches all week every week. that gives them a day for filming and a day for editting I would assume. | ||
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:01 Krogan wrote: I believe MC went to compete in germany after winning Dreamhack so he wouldn't have been going home with Huk. .... No, he didnt lol Hes going to Denmark in a few days but hes most definitely in Korea now, and most definitely went home with me and Huk. On April 18 2011 00:04 lorkac wrote: The reason why they don't reschedule the match is because they essetially have that "match slot" filled by that same player's next prescheduled match. They are doing a round robin of matches non-stop, they can't just say "we'll delay the other 4 matches by a day" to allow 1 match to catch up--they do that 3-4 times then they suddenly have to expand all their production spending by a week. Smaller prize pool, less production value, etc... The compromise is one player gets two wins and the other player gets better tie breakers. That way they can continue producing more games. How is this hard to understand? So they should just cast any game that cant be played live, from replay. Its better than a walk-over. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
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Pwez
Netherlands43 Posts
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tezul
United States9 Posts
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SkaPunk
United States471 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 18 2011 00:03 Arkless wrote: I just can't get behind penalizing, especially penalizing a pro gamer monetarily for something 100% out of his control. Especially considering it's not like pro gamers are raking in fat stacks of cash. The I could maybe understand, but let's get real guys. I make more money per year as a construction worker than I'd say almost every single sc2 pro gamer. Not to mention most sports leagues that fine players, have players making huge contracted amounts.Not 0 money unless a tourney is won.Maybe in the future, but when people (especially in korea) have to win the big tourney to get a decent amount of money, which is then divided into the team in most cases 250 is a huge hit and would deter more pros entirely. I don't think MC is being fined for this (might be wrong I don't know). Also, MC probably makes more money than almost every other SC2 player. He made over $100,000 from the two GSL wins alone. What do you mean 0 money unless a tournament is won? SC2 players have contracts... A 50-100$ fine really isn't anything to MC or other progamers. I don't really see your argument here. | ||
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CardinalSC
United States145 Posts
This isn't the most accurate or up-to-date, considering it leaves out most small online tournaments, but SC2 Prize Money is a rough estimate of the prize money winnings of top professionals. If you look, IdrA, who won an MLG, is sitting quite a ways near the bottom. This leaves out all sorts of other incomes, but there are still two things wrong with your argument: 1. MC cannot be fined simply because everyone knows he's made money, that's discriminatory. 2. You use this to conclude that it isn't really anthing to him or other programers, which is entirely invalid given the 50 players in the league, many who have yet to see major success. I don't really see YOUR argument here. $250 is a lot of money for anyone, not just many up-and-coming SC2 professionals (and established). It's outrageous for that exorbitant a sum to be charged for not scheduling just one match. I think a walkover or a reschedule is perfectly fine. If you are watching the league for the 2 walkovers so far, then I think you missed some of the main selling points of this particular organization. As well, they hurt themselves enough being in a deficit for an immense prize pool, and every win counts against 49 other top-tier players. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote: .... No, he didnt lol Hes going to Denmark in a few days but hes most definitely in Korea now, and most definitely went home with me and Huk. You went home with MC's body double. 2 GSL wins, so he can afford to have one now. I hope that the bad luck that NASL have been having in the first week won't do any lasting harm. People need to understand that nothing on this scale has ever been done before and there are going to be problems that NASL will have to overcome. The important thing is that they learn from their mistakes and try to avoid repeating as many of them as they can. Brat_OK must be pretty happy. Probably the game he was dreading most and he gets a free win in it. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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Reneblade
United States6 Posts
I'm all for growing esports(buying HQ GSL Passes, etc. etc) but $25 for a sub-par product is pissing me off. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
@ Reneblade: you paid $25 to get to see like 3-4 months of games, possibilty or seeing upwards of 50 games, im not sure how it works after the groups. I know they've been highly anticipated games, but saying its sub-par at this stage is a bit over the top | ||
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IamaGrapeMan
Canada165 Posts
On April 18 2011 02:19 Reneblade wrote: at what point do we start asking for refunds? I'm all for growing esports(buying HQ GSL Passes, etc. etc) but $25 for a sub-par product is pissing me off. it's not nasl's fault that the plane was delayed | ||
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Brown Boy
Canada39 Posts
Just comparing it to TSL which is also an online tournament. There are many big names in TSL and there are no problems all the players have played their games and there were no forfeits. This is because TSL is only shown on two days (Saturday and Sunday) and they work off of replays. I don't know why people would want to see NASL live because they don't get to see anything except the casters. In tournaments like Dreamhack, GSL and MLG there is a crowd and place to play adding to the live casting. But for NASL I don't think it would make a difference if it was a replay or live (at least for me). So again TSL is only shown on 2 days and they have the other 5 days in the week to schedule the games. Much more flexible for the players and casters. The forfeits are unfortunate and I think that NASL made the right decision. There are factors that they cannot control but I do fault them for making such an aggressive schedule. Another problem is that the players might not take NASL as seriously as other tournaments. This is because it is in its first season. And with problems like this occurring I don't foresee people's image of NASL changing. Players will continue to prioritize established tournaments (like GSL) over NASL. NASL was overly ambitious and now it is coming to bite them. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:53 CardinalSC wrote: @S.O.L.I.D. Just because MC made over 100,000 dollars, doesn't mean everyone is raking in comparable amounts of money. Do you know how many Pro SC2 players there are? This isn't the most accurate or up-to-date, considering it leaves out most small online tournaments, but SC2 Prize Money is a rough estimate of the prize money winnings of top professionals. If you look, IdrA, who won an MLG, is sitting quite a ways near the bottom. This leaves out all sorts of other incomes, but there are still two things wrong with your argument: 1. MC cannot be fined simply because everyone knows he's made money, that's discriminatory. 2. You use this to conclude that it isn't really anthing to him or other programers, which is entirely invalid given the 50 players in the league, many who have yet to see major success. I don't really see YOUR argument here. $250 is a lot of money for anyone, not just many up-and-coming SC2 professionals (and established). It's outrageous for that exorbitant a sum to be charged for not scheduling just one match. I think a walkover or a reschedule is perfectly fine. If you are watching the league for the 2 walkovers so far, then I think you missed some of the main selling points of this particular organization. As well, they hurt themselves enough being in a deficit for an immense prize pool, and every win counts against 49 other top-tier players. Yes that's all fine and dandy but I was talking about MC specifically, as he, Nani, and White-Ra are the only ones who would even have the potential to be fined at this point. I never said MC should be fined, I don't think he should be fined, and I see no reason for him to be fined. I was saying if he (read: MC) did, it would not be much to him. Also AFAIK you don't get fined the whole 250, I think they take off parts of it based on what you do. | ||
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Ornithorynquez
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Reneblade
United States6 Posts
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krell
United States109 Posts
For instance, if you are facing MC and are expected to lose, its in your interest to call in a conflict and not get the loss. Their system is broken and unprofessional | ||
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DaRKMaTT3r
Brazil553 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... User was temp banned for this post. Why this guy got a ban? Just curious! He was obviously joking if he was banned for threatining the life of his cat! =D Edi After next week they will have an extra day for people to reschedule when they cant show up to their previous scheduled day. So these possible scheduled days will be played on fridays or will it be arranged during the normal days with the other regular matches? Anyone know? | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On April 18 2011 07:06 DaRKMaTT3r wrote: Why this guy got a ban? Just curious! He was obviously joking if he was banned for threatining the life of his cat! =D Edi After next week they will have an extra day for people to reschedule when they cant show up to their previous scheduled day. So these possible scheduled days will be played on fridays or will it be arranged during the normal days with the other regular matches? Anyone know? Yup, I totally agree that the ban was uncalled for. I thought that this comment was very funny. Secondly, I don't understand the NASL. It is not like they are streaming this live and they need MC to be there at the right time. Honestly, If i was MC, I would just let my lil bro play and cheese for me in hopes of getting at least one win ;D but that would be cheating. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 18 2011 03:32 Brown Boy wrote: I think this problem is occurring because NASL has a very aggressive and rigid schedule. Five games a night and 5 days a week. I think NASL wanted to come out big quickly. I think if they took things a bit slower to start with they wouldn't have been having so many problems. Just comparing it to TSL which is also an online tournament. There are many big names in TSL and there are no problems all the players have played their games and there were no forfeits. This is because TSL is only shown on two days (Saturday and Sunday) and they work off of replays. I don't know why people would want to see NASL live because they don't get to see anything except the casters. In tournaments like Dreamhack, GSL and MLG there is a crowd and place to play adding to the live casting. But for NASL I don't think it would make a difference if it was a replay or live (at least for me). So again TSL is only shown on 2 days and they have the other 5 days in the week to schedule the games. Much more flexible for the players and casters. The forfeits are unfortunate and I think that NASL made the right decision. There are factors that they cannot control but I do fault them for making such an aggressive schedule. Another problem is that the players might not take NASL as seriously as other tournaments. This is because it is in its first season. And with problems like this occurring I don't foresee people's image of NASL changing. Players will continue to prioritize established tournaments (like GSL) over NASL. NASL was overly ambitious and now it is coming to bite them. Lets be fair here - the format the NASL choose leaves them with a LOT more games to broadcast. They have more players, a format with more games, so theres no way they will be as efficient as the TSL. Im not sure I think that means they shouldnt have choosen that format... | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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toasti0
Australia22 Posts
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bradfield
Belize23 Posts
Even with less star players, i think the tournament would be more exciting. | ||
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Skrelt
Netherlands306 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... User was temp banned for this post. I think you put it kinda strange but i agree with you. It is not good for the spectators that the best matches get canceled. OFC the NASL cant do shit about this but that doesnt mean it is good for the viewers. And ofc there is alot to watch but when you cheer for some of your favorit players the "others" just wont do. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
As we know, the games themselves are not live, but the stream is. Hence we're seeing, in a sense, a "replay" anyways. Given that, why not just go with commentating straight replays? I do believe that just casting the replays themselves, conceals the lag window(for good or ill). Because if I was MC, and I finally arrive in NA - with no games to play due to a circumstance beyond my control - what now? Yes I'm sure NASL wasn't his only event, but still. | ||
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Dakk
Sweden572 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:12 ZAiNs wrote: These NASL free-wins are clearly part of a conspiracy to knock out all the big Protoss players. Right on! I think you're on to something here! I big hidden conspiracy to overthrow the protoss's kingdom! | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
MC, I dont mind too much, delayed plane isn't his fault, but he should of scheduled himself a bigger buffer. You can complain all you want that they (white-ra, mc, and the more to come)had schedule conflicts but thats their fault. They signed up for this league knowing that theyd have games to play every week on a tight schedule and were expected to show. On the other hand instead of picking and choosing tournaments that didnt interfere with each other, like a true professional, they're just playing the field willing to drop for whatever sounds like easier money. I would not be surprised to see a lot of people drop out when this hits the play at the studio stage, screwing up the brackets hard. | ||
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
yes nasl ought to have more flexible scheduling since it's not actually a live broadcast. I don't really know why they're not doing replay casting. I don't know why they're doing a lot of things ( map choice, 'when cheese goes wrong' ) | ||
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Dyspathy
United States83 Posts
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dark0dave
179 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:12 ZAiNs wrote: These NASL free-wins are clearly part of a conspiracy to knock out all the big Protoss players. trolololol? User was warned for this post | ||
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ipx
Australia34 Posts
On another note NASL doesn't need any foreign players to be good, you don't even need massive amounts of money. You need ENTERTAINMENT. Having combat-ex playing tearing up after getting his cheese rolled that is entertaining. Having grudge matches and rivalries and seeing people rage live or even online. Heart and passion is what makes good competition. My favourite streamed game was the Destiny showmatch which he got rolled in with his baby mamma calling him over and over whilst he was playing. You could just tell the guy was going to lose his mind any second it was so tense. Even get pre match skype interviews like boxing - Idra would be amaaaazing. You can even ignore what the Koreans say just make it up. Develop you're own language and culture like GSL has done for example "tasteless secret hallway" and "casting archon" that sort of stuff is fantastic as it makes your competition memorable. Forfeits aren't entertaining... | ||
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:44 human_ko wrote: So when mc cant participate coz of delayed plane he plays with bratok next time, but when whitera was on a big tourney and could not participate, july doesn't accept the delay. weird huh? do we respect those koreans after this.. ? Oh come on. You can't generalize them all because of one person. Naniwa was incredibly BM and Swedish, that must mean Jinro, being Swedish, is incredibly BM too right? July wanted a free win. That doesn't mean MC, Boxer, etc will do the same. | ||
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shabinka
United States469 Posts
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Brown Boy
Canada39 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:44 human_ko wrote: So when mc cant participate coz of delayed plane he plays with bratok next time, but when whitera was on a big tourney and could not participate, july doesn't accept the delay. weird huh? do we respect those koreans after this.. ? You do realize that July waited for White-Ra for 4 hours from 4am to 8am. I think that deserves quite a bit of respect. If July wanted he could have just taken the auto win after 45 minutes like the rules state for NASL but he decided to wait for his opponent. Both situations were handled similarly by giving the auto win. Only difference is that MC wasn't given any losses because he got in contact with NASL and told them about his situation. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:44 human_ko wrote: So when mc cant participate coz of delayed plane he plays with bratok next time, but when whitera was on a big tourney and could not participate, july doesn't accept the delay. weird huh? do we respect those koreans after this.. ? Yeah i can't respect any Koreans ever because of what July did, because I'm a racist just like you. Also I'll ignore the fact WhiteRa went out drinking to skip the match and didn't inform anyone. | ||
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Gargara
Romania150 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:39 ipx wrote: Isn't it an online match? Couldn't he have just stayed where he was walked into a net cafe and played? Not that hard.... On another note NASL doesn't need any foreign players to be good, you don't even need massive amounts of money. You need ENTERTAINMENT. Having combat-ex playing tearing up after getting his cheese rolled that is entertaining. Having grudge matches and rivalries and seeing people rage live or even online. Heart and passion is what makes good competition. My favourite streamed game was the Destiny showmatch which he got rolled in with his baby mamma calling him over and over whilst he was playing. You could just tell the guy was going to lose his mind any second it was so tense. Even get pre match skype interviews like boxing - Idra would be amaaaazing. You can even ignore what the Koreans say just make it up. Develop you're own language and culture like GSL has done for example "tasteless secret hallway" and "casting archon" that sort of stuff is fantastic as it makes your competition memorable. Forfeits aren't entertaining... And the person that pays for his ticket back from Turkey to Korea when he misses his plane because he stayed in turkey and played from a netcafe is........ who? NASL? | ||
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ipx
Australia34 Posts
And the person that pays for his ticket back from Turkey to Korea when he misses his plane because he stayed in turkey and played from a netcafe is........ who? NASL? I guess no one has explained the details properly to me so was he in the air or close to boarding at the time the game was scheduled? In that case its totally different. From the way it was described in the OP I figured the plane was delayed so he was waiting around the airport when he could have turned up and 4 gated. If he's in the air then that's just bad luck i guess. He should still get the losses though. You're just inviting gaming the system by doing this. Hell idra will be coming up with every excuse possible for every ZvP he needs to play if that's the case. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
Sorry if I'm understanding his wrong. I read the first 4 pages and no one has a clear idea of what happened, so this is just what I'm gathering from the first post. | ||
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roflwaffles55
Canada59 Posts
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Hammurabio
152 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:08 Axel.Bowex wrote: From the tweets of oGsMC, it is confirmed that Brat_OK will receive 2 wins, 0 losses. However, because he informed NASL of this situation, he will not be charged with losses. Therefore, he is still at 0 wins, and 0 losses. The NASL website shows Brat_OK at 1-0 and MC at 0-1. I thought that MC wasn't getting a loss for this? And the "score" column has them both at zero points. Brat should have 2 points for going 2-0. | ||
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:44 human_ko wrote: So when mc cant participate coz of delayed plane he plays with bratok next time, but when whitera was on a big tourney and could not participate, july doesn't accept the delay. weird huh? do we respect those koreans after this.. ? So...JulyZerg wakes up at 4 AM and waits for 4 hours before he's told of the situation and takes the win, so he's a chump. MC says in his Twitter that he's at the airport and the flight's delayed, so he can't play. He specifically says "If my opponent's staying up to play me, please go to sleep and take the win, yadda yadda yadda, I hope you enjoy the rest of your night." I think both of them were fine here. Also, WhiteRa knew he had a match but didn't bother to keep in touch with the admins, making his opponent wait for 4 hours w/out any knowledge of whether or not he was actually going to play. He could've taken the win at 5 AM and just gone back to sleep, but chose to stay up and wait to see if WhiteRa would show up. I don't see how the Koreans were in the wrong here...nor do I see how these two instances can even be compared. | ||
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
On April 20 2011 05:45 mrjpark wrote: So...JulyZerg wakes up at 4 AM and waits for 4 hours before he's told of the situation and takes the win, so he's a chump. MC says in his Twitter that he's at the airport and the flight's delayed, so he can't play. He specifically says "If my opponent's staying up to play me, please go to sleep and take the win, yadda yadda yadda, I hope you enjoy the rest of your night." I think both of them were fine here. Also, WhiteRa knew he had a match but didn't bother to keep in touch with the admins, making his opponent wait for 4 hours w/out any knowledge of whether or not he was actually going to play. He could've taken the win at 5 AM and just gone back to sleep, but chose to stay up and wait to see if WhiteRa would show up. I don't see how the Koreans were in the wrong here...nor do I see how these two instances can even be compared. sorry I didn't know July waited for that long and wasn't informed, I think its fine to take a freewin after a sleepless night. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5418/screenshot20110420at100.png) I Only understood his plane was delayed by the wind (understandable). I don't get what a plane from Iran has to do with it. Anyone else have better explanation? | ||
mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
On April 20 2011 17:10 DarkCore wrote: I looked at one of his tweets as well on the topic, and this is what I got on the translator: I Only understood his plane was delayed by the wind (understandable). I don't get what a plane from Iran has to do with it. Anyone else have better explanation? "If there's anybody waiting to see my NASL games this week, I suggest going to sleep~ My flight got delayed so my opponent got a free win. The NASL, understanding that this was because of my flight being delayed, did not count it as a loss on my record hehe. Have a good night." That or the message is directed towards his opponent, in which case he's telling his opponent to go to sleep instead of waiting due to his flight being delayed, and that he's getting a free win etc | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
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Joementum
787 Posts
On April 20 2011 05:45 mrjpark wrote: So...JulyZerg wakes up at 4 AM and waits for 4 hours before he's told of the situation and takes the win, so he's a chump. MC says in his Twitter that he's at the airport and the flight's delayed, so he can't play. He specifically says "If my opponent's staying up to play me, please go to sleep and take the win, yadda yadda yadda, I hope you enjoy the rest of your night." I think both of them were fine here. Also, WhiteRa knew he had a match but didn't bother to keep in touch with the admins, making his opponent wait for 4 hours w/out any knowledge of whether or not he was actually going to play. He could've taken the win at 5 AM and just gone back to sleep, but chose to stay up and wait to see if WhiteRa would show up. I don't see how the Koreans were in the wrong here...nor do I see how these two instances can even be compared. These 2 instances can be compared quite easily. White-Ra didn't show up for his match because of Dreamhack if I'm not mistaken. He prioritized that over actually playing his match, so he forfeited and got 2 losses. I'm going to assume MC was out of Korea because of a tournament as well. The plane got delayed and he missed his match. MC prioritized another tournament over the NASL and he got 0 losses. Am I saying he shouldn't compete in other tournaments at all? No, I'm not, but he should still be held responsible for not making it to the match. This is akin to me being late to a big meeting at the office and calling my boss saying "I'm going to be 15 minutes late because of traffic." Whose fault is it? It's my fault. I should've accounted for the possibility of traffic. I should have left earlier from my house to make it to the office and I didn't. The same thing happened here. MC could have either left later from wherever he was or left earlier (if at all possible). NASL has failed on two fronts here. They failed in the scheduling by not loosening it up a bit. NASL has Sunday and Monday to make up for missed games. They should use those two days whenever possible and whenever needed. And they have also failed in the execution of a good system that punishes players for not making their matches. Frankly, I think it's bullshit that White-Ra got 2 losses (-2) while Naniwa and MC didn't lose points. Edit - Looking at the actual points just annoyed me even more (edited the first post to reflect this). I just noticed MC AND Naniwa have 0 points, while White-Ra has -2. Wtf is that NASL? This system is stupid as hell. It's punishing players for losing their games, while rewarding those players that couldn't make it to games except for White-Ra. Naniwa is 6th in his group. He should be tied for 10th with Haypro. MC is 6th in his group. He should be tied for 10th with Ret. White-Ra is tied for 10th in his group. I see something totally messed up there. | ||
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Hammurabio
152 Posts
On April 21 2011 02:19 Joementum wrote: Edit - Looking at the actual points just annoyed me even more (edited the first post to reflect this). I just noticed MC AND Naniwa have 0 points, while White-Ra has -2. Wtf is that NASL? This system is stupid as hell. It's punishing players for losing their games, while rewarding those players that couldn't make it to games except for White-Ra. Note that Brat_OK and Strelok also have 0 points. They both won by forfeit, yet are tied with their walkover opponents. | ||
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GreenSamo
United States13 Posts
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Flash_one
Korea (South)27 Posts
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Allied
United States129 Posts
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PET
Romania430 Posts
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office2010user1
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ePAttack
United States112 Posts
NASL did a great job taking care of this whole situation. Props to them! | ||
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