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IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
February 22 2011 05:05 GMT
#321
"Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max." LOL

that would be such a terrible idea... Let the best players in the world compete plz..
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
Hexaflex
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom70 Posts
February 22 2011 05:07 GMT
#322
As I said earlier, I reckon the 5 korean/5 per team limit is to appeal to the average, more casual NA gamer who will probably be more invested if they see more home team players and more teams in general (more similar size teams -> more conflict between 'equals' is how it looks at first glance, regardless of actual skill levels involved).

No-one responds to my posts ;_;
True power!
xilaratu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 05:10:04
February 22 2011 05:08 GMT
#323
Let me preface by saying I'm totally psyched about NASL, but I want it to be as good as it can possibly be. This showmatch was fantastic, but needs a bit of tuning to get it on the truly professional level.

Some criticisms of the cast:
-The sound quality. Overall it wasn't very good, there was some background noise and the voices were muffled. I suspect you're not using individual mics for the casters, and the sound quality is suffering. Give us some game music or something in the background, too.

-Random cuts to the casters in the middle of a game. I'm not even sure why this happened... this was a universally horrible decision. We don't want to look at the casters when there is a bunch of intense action going on.

-Transitions. Perhaps I'm just being a little nitpicky, but the no-sound transitions are pretty bland and sorta zone me out. Can you add like, some sort of music or sound effects or something to them?


Overall, I think it was pretty good, like I said. I just want it to be all it can be.
QQmonster
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada240 Posts
February 22 2011 05:10 GMT
#324
I was tempted to vote for PiQliQ bit I don't know who the guy is. So many mysteries.
EX-top 10 guildwars player yeye XD
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
February 22 2011 05:40 GMT
#325
On February 22 2011 13:51 xbito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 13:42 mrdx wrote:
The 5 players per team limit was extremely silly as it punishes the 6th+ gamers from teams with a deep lineup, thus punishes big teams for investing in their players -- all for an ambiguous reason.

Furthermore, this rule, if continues to be applied in future tournaments, will discourage players from joining established teams, and discourage teams from recruiting more players. It doesn't benefit anyone and definitely bad for the growth of esport.

Those who supported the team limit in this thread (because it prevents team collision wtf?) really don't have a clue how esport competitions works.


On a 5 group format, with 10 players per group it seems reasonable to limit to 1 teamplayer per group to avoid possible controversial loses between teammates in the last games of the group. Imagine if one of the team players is already qualified or has completely no chance, it could be controversial if the other one wins and gets to the next round. From that point of view it is reasonable. Of course it casts a shadow of doubt against the professionalism of the players, but it could be acceptable to just avoid that situations.

"Imagine if one of the team players is already qualified or has completely no chance.." - even if the team limit rule is enforced, that person could still give free wins to other players in his group (to trade for his teammate in another group, or for money or whatever). I mean - in group format, there will always be that position, where the player who is already qualified/disqualified could abuse his last game.

One way to reduce that problem is to give enough incentive so that it would hurt in some way to throw a game even if you're already disqualified/qualified. Also remember that blatant game throwing will hurt the team's brand image and no sponsor would like to see that.

Having more than one player per team in the same group happens very often in Korean Starleagues (in almost every Starleague, actually). This has never been a big issue as far as I remember.
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War Horse
Profile Joined January 2011
United States247 Posts
February 22 2011 05:41 GMT
#326
On February 22 2011 10:32 tok wrote:
I hope it's not another GSL. I will admit I am looking forward to it, mlg has been real boring lately and GSTL was a bit of a snoozefest.

GSTL was a snoozefest

did you watch the finals???
Why appeal to God when you can appeal to Apaches?
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
February 22 2011 05:45 GMT
#327
On February 22 2011 13:10 Yotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:
What other things are the premium members going to get? Is it going to be like GOM where they get VODs?

Yeah pretty much exactly like that. You'll get a season pass and then access to the high quality VODs. We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay.
It's as easy to copy a VOD file as it is to copy a replay...

Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 13:09 axellerate wrote:
On February 22 2011 13:07 FXOpen wrote:
Being fined for 'unforeseeable problems' is just awesome! Honestly, if a snow storm goes through someones area and they cant log on, you are going to make them pay for it? Don't you think thats just a little bit silly?



QFT

yeah this fine thing cannot possibly last.

I'm pretty sure it's in case they intentionally behave in an unforeseeable, problematic way.
Professional athletes can be fined for behaving in a way that the league or their team deems inappropriate, it's necessary to ensure players won't hurt the league's reputation if things don't go their way.


Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 05:52:35
February 22 2011 05:49 GMT
#328
EDIT Nevermind didn't read about the open tournament. excitedd
thebullfrog
GameGenie
Profile Joined February 2011
Japan3 Posts
February 22 2011 05:51 GMT
#329
I'm soo hyped for this! Western esports for the win!
rza
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada384 Posts
February 22 2011 05:54 GMT
#330
this is insane!!!!
HUGE prizepool, damn man, GG
Until my death, my goal's to stay alive.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 05:55:01
February 22 2011 05:54 GMT
#331
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:


Eligibility: Anyone can apply (including Koreans), as long as they are on a gaming team (not sure if the team has to meet some set level of sponsorship/notoriety) and they commit to go to the July LAN held in California. Incontrol stated that perhaps there will be a cap on Koreans at five max, but this isn't set in stone. There is a cap on the number of players from each team, set at five. EG and Liquid, in other words, can have no more than five players in the event.



I don't know how you can "cap" the amount of koreans that can participate in your tournament. I would imagine your organization would be sued for some kind of racial discrimination.
Eko200
Profile Joined December 2010
United States101 Posts
February 22 2011 05:54 GMT
#332
On February 22 2011 14:45 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 13:10 Yotta wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:
What other things are the premium members going to get? Is it going to be like GOM where they get VODs?

Yeah pretty much exactly like that. You'll get a season pass and then access to the high quality VODs. We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay.
It's as easy to copy a VOD file as it is to copy a replay...

On February 22 2011 13:09 axellerate wrote:
On February 22 2011 13:07 FXOpen wrote:
Being fined for 'unforeseeable problems' is just awesome! Honestly, if a snow storm goes through someones area and they cant log on, you are going to make them pay for it? Don't you think thats just a little bit silly?



QFT

yeah this fine thing cannot possibly last.

I'm pretty sure it's in case they intentionally behave in an unforeseeable, problematic way.
Professional athletes can be fined for behaving in a way that the league or their team deems inappropriate, it's necessary to ensure players won't hurt the league's reputation if things don't go their way.


Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.


Yeah right, that is completely speculation and quite frankly 99% not going to be the case because you can prove a power outage or bad weather and most things not intentional. You guys are trying to act like the tournament is going to be run like Nazi Germany just because they will make the players accountable.
kNightLite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States408 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 06:16:48
February 22 2011 05:55 GMT
#333
Me, I like the idea of there being a cap on the number of players per team. You could look at it as punishing larger teams. But you could also look at as encouraging competition between teams, so it's not always a Liquid vs EG final or something along those lines.

What I question is the arbitrary cut-off at 5. To me that number only makes sense in the context that the casts are 5 days per week, maybe they want to do an entire division each day? I'm not sure if that could be fit in a 3 hours segment though.

6 per team would make much more sense for SC2 IMO. That way each team could field 2 players per race (with randoms allowed to fill any spot) so they can cover all match ups. So you could contrast, say, Liquid's TvT with EG's TvT. I'd argue that encouraging team competition is in the tournament's and esport's best interest, if not necessarily the player's.

6 divisions of 4 could work just as well as 5 divisions of 5. With top 2 advancing per division into a ro12. They could use the GSL's code S ranking methodology to further an eSports standard. It would vastly cut down the number of games needed to be played as well.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
February 22 2011 05:56 GMT
#334
On February 22 2011 14:45 FXOpen wrote:
Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.

It sounds a bit disingenuous to assume that the rule would be unfair. I'm sure the official rules will be very clear on what does or doesn't deserve a fine.
You're going off an interview and mentioning the wording as if it was some kind of official statement. It's not unexpected that the interview doesn't go deep into the details.
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
February 22 2011 05:57 GMT
#335
I am seriously so happy that Diggity is one of the commentators for this. I used to watch him, Cholera and Moletrap all the time on VioletAK.
Rise Up!
Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 06:02:48
February 22 2011 05:59 GMT
#336
On February 22 2011 14:45 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 13:10 Yotta wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:
What other things are the premium members going to get? Is it going to be like GOM where they get VODs?

Yeah pretty much exactly like that. You'll get a season pass and then access to the high quality VODs. We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay.
It's as easy to copy a VOD file as it is to copy a replay...

On February 22 2011 13:09 axellerate wrote:
On February 22 2011 13:07 FXOpen wrote:
Being fined for 'unforeseeable problems' is just awesome! Honestly, if a snow storm goes through someones area and they cant log on, you are going to make them pay for it? Don't you think thats just a little bit silly?



QFT

yeah this fine thing cannot possibly last.

I'm pretty sure it's in case they intentionally behave in an unforeseeable, problematic way.
Professional athletes can be fined for behaving in a way that the league or their team deems inappropriate, it's necessary to ensure players won't hurt the league's reputation if things don't go their way.


Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.


Yet, if you get subpoenaed to show up to court- and fail to show, regardless of weather, you face jail time (tournament elimination) and a fine (refundable deposit)... Unfair, I believe.
Also, I can send text messages to email accounts from my terribad T-mobile cell-phone- and unless it's a pure brown-out style power outage, I'd think that email would suffice. I could be completely wrong, though; idk how flexible they would be for rescheduling an online tournament m/u (a la most recent SCReddit Invitational)...

edit in:
On February 22 2011 14:56 Thrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 14:45 FXOpen wrote:
Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.

It sounds a bit disingenuous to assume that the rule would be unfair. I'm sure the official rules will be very clear on what does or doesn't deserve a fine.
You're going off an interview and mentioning the wording as if it was some kind of official statement. It's not unexpected that the interview doesn't go deep into the details.


it also says clearly on the g4tv website for the interview that the statements are those of iNcontroL and do not necessarily reflect the official opinion of NASL.

edit in 2: ((copypasta from g4 interview))
The finale of the Greg “EG.IdrA” Fields vs. Jonathan “Liquid`Jinro” Walsh StarCraft 2 show match is over, and the Gorilla Terran Jinro has won $1500. But the real winner is you. After the jump, you'll find our exclusive interview with the new face of the North American Star League, Geoff “EG.iNcontroL” Robinson. Be aware that the views in this interview are those of Geoff, and not official word from NASL.

Read more: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/710588/North-American-Star-League-Exclusive-Interview-with-Geoff-iNcontroL-Robinson.html#ixzz1EfHYRn8Q
Jemag... Jemag... you're like an alcoholic telling me why you drink... you have your reasons, but it's still bad... <3 iNcontroL
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
February 22 2011 06:00 GMT
#337
On February 22 2011 14:45 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 13:10 Yotta wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:
What other things are the premium members going to get? Is it going to be like GOM where they get VODs?

Yeah pretty much exactly like that. You'll get a season pass and then access to the high quality VODs. We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay.
It's as easy to copy a VOD file as it is to copy a replay...

On February 22 2011 13:09 axellerate wrote:
On February 22 2011 13:07 FXOpen wrote:
Being fined for 'unforeseeable problems' is just awesome! Honestly, if a snow storm goes through someones area and they cant log on, you are going to make them pay for it? Don't you think thats just a little bit silly?



QFT

yeah this fine thing cannot possibly last.

I'm pretty sure it's in case they intentionally behave in an unforeseeable, problematic way.
Professional athletes can be fined for behaving in a way that the league or their team deems inappropriate, it's necessary to ensure players won't hurt the league's reputation if things don't go their way.


Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.


Why are you going out of your way to assume that NASL is out to get it's players or something? Calm down. We barely know anything yet.
shabinka
Profile Joined October 2008
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 06:01:45
February 22 2011 06:01 GMT
#338
I feel like the 5 limit is to not have team kills in the group stage. 5 groups... 5 people max from each team. This makes it possible for no team kills to happen in group stages.
edit : not sure if this has been brought up yet, I've been reading random posts and such and I may have missed some.
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
February 22 2011 06:04 GMT
#339
I do not watch a lot of tv, but I'm thinking of going with the hd package and putting a 32' hd tv on my wall to be able to chill in my bed and geek out over the live streams 5 nights a week ^_^
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
February 22 2011 06:05 GMT
#340
On February 22 2011 14:45 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 13:10 Yotta wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:27 motbob wrote:
What other things are the premium members going to get? Is it going to be like GOM where they get VODs?

Yeah pretty much exactly like that. You'll get a season pass and then access to the high quality VODs. We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay.
It's as easy to copy a VOD file as it is to copy a replay...

On February 22 2011 13:09 axellerate wrote:
On February 22 2011 13:07 FXOpen wrote:
Being fined for 'unforeseeable problems' is just awesome! Honestly, if a snow storm goes through someones area and they cant log on, you are going to make them pay for it? Don't you think thats just a little bit silly?



QFT

yeah this fine thing cannot possibly last.

I'm pretty sure it's in case they intentionally behave in an unforeseeable, problematic way.
Professional athletes can be fined for behaving in a way that the league or their team deems inappropriate, it's necessary to ensure players won't hurt the league's reputation if things don't go their way.


Read deeper into it. The wording has been put so that even if for instance, a power outage which is not the fault of the competitor happens, they can be fined. Plain and simple. This i believe is unfair, as a gamer cannot control the weather, power, or telco companies.

Do you really believe that they're going to fine someone for a power outage? Honestly? This is just getting absurd.
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