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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 19:17:56
February 03 2011 19:16 GMT
#221
Lowell, I assume you have employed as well... do you go into bars once in a while? I also assume that you need your hands to work. If you do both you act just as unprofessional as the person you condemn
The reason that high-profile sports people are held up to incredibly high standards is because they make an insane amount of money, while Demuslim probably gets a rather low salary compared to a day job. So Why should he have to live any more cautious than a normal working person? Most person will be unable to work when they break a bone, not just pro-gamers but most clerks, office workers, manual workers (obviously lol) etc.
rolfe
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
February 03 2011 19:19 GMT
#222
People are saying in this thread that going out to a bar and drinking alcohol means you are risking your health and putting yourself in danger. seriously what do you do with your lives? do you just live in a bubble hoping you don't get hurt? people go out with their friends and have a good time which often involves bars and beer or w/e. Who knows what happened really but from the limited experience of seeing demuslim we have in interviews and casting and things do you seriously think hes a violent guy? look the reason we don't mind too much and think this is kinda funny is he was going out, maybe to celebrate his new team and stuff and have a good time and as it doesn't sound too serious, as in police being involved its just an unintended drunken injury as almost everyone on this site (who actually leave their house) will have had dozens of times. hell it might even have been some kinda drunken playfight thing with friends for all we know as i and others have also undoubtedly done.
life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously but there it is. Life finds a way
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
February 03 2011 19:19 GMT
#223
On February 04 2011 04:10 trancey_ wrote:
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On February 04 2011 04:08 LegendaryZ wrote:
On February 04 2011 03:59 Panicc wrote:It IS NOT A FUCKING RISK to drink in a bar.


Is this supposed to be a joke? It's a calculated risk and perhaps even a reasonable one, but it's a risk nonetheless.

it's a risk to leave the house or step out of the shower because you could fall. come on you cannot be serious.


I'm completely serious. If you can't see the difference between the unavoidable risk you take by leaving your house in the morning and the avoidable risk you assume by consuming alcohol, then you're reaching. I'm not saying that it's an unreasonable risk. I drink all the time, but I would never argue that's it's not inherently a risky behavior. It's just that I'm willing to assume the risk for what I perceive as the benefits of having a good time. But remember that when you're consuming any substance that dulls your wits or senses whether it's beer or cold medicine, you're almost always increasing the risk of something happening that could otherwise be avoided. This risk compounds when you're doing it in a setting where other people are assuming similar risks (bars, parties, etc.).

Personally I really don't care a whole lot about the professionalism issue. Even though I believe it was unprofessional behavior, it's his right to behave however he wants so long as he is willing to assume the consequences. Besides, if things don't turn out well he has much more to lose in this than I ever will so whatever. Of course I wish him well as we all should, but this really isn't going to affect my day that much. People are getting a bit too emotionally invested in this, I think.
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
February 03 2011 19:19 GMT
#224
On February 04 2011 04:13 MichaelJLowell wrote:
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On February 04 2011 04:02 rasnj wrote:
This is sad news indeed. Hope he gets better soon and is able to return to top-form reasonable quickly. Demuslim was always one of those players I expected might own up just about any tournament.

On February 04 2011 03:34 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Several years back, the Warcraft III player Moon broke his hand after he "got into an accident in the hotel lobby of the Ramada Hotel. The result of the accident was a broken arm to the Korean player, who was rushed to the hospital." Was that stupid? No. It happens. It was an accident.

No it doesn't happen. It was a calculated risk, and to be honest quite an unprofessional one. Moon should have been wearing protective arm gear (similar to that employed in several fighting sports) to protect his arms in the event of an accident. To be honest even walking by himself was sort of irresponsible as he knew there was a risk he would fall, or get knocked over, and it could result in injury. Ideally he should have done the professional thing and stayed in his room or been transported in a protected vechicle (wheelchair or something like it inside). Ever seen president Obama just walk down the street? No, because he understands the risk of walking by himself so he employs armored vechicles and a security detail. He is professional.

"Getting into a fight at the bar" was not an accident because DeMusliM made the conscious decision to go to that bar and put himself in a position of calculated risk. By the words of the people posting in this thread, he made a calculated risk.

He went to a bar and consumed alcohol, those were the risks he were taking. There is no evidence that DeMuslim entered into a fight, so that was an accident. Going to a bar usually is safe if you do not seek out trouble, so it is a reasonable risk to take just like shaking hands, riding a bike, walking down the street or being in a car are all risky, but in a reasonable way. If EG feels he need to be so protective of himself that he needs a curfew, then I doubt many gamers would be interested in playing for EG.

BTW you do realize Incontrol tackled qxc at an MLG event right? Why haven't EG fired him yet? Compared to DeMuslim's risky actions of going to a bar this seems much more dangerous. Maybe they could fire both of them (mostly due to a lack of player rights), but why would they be such a strict team? They may safe a months salary on Demuslim, but no other pro is going to want to sign a contract with them if they treat their players like that.

I'm not even going to bother responding to you.

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On February 04 2011 04:03 Zocat wrote:
I only read the OP. The OP clearly states they went drinking AFTER the incident. Do you have additional sources where Rotterdam claims that Demuslim was drinking at/prior the time (of the incident)?

If yes, I stand corrected and would really like to read those sources.

Yeah, they went drinking "after". We don't know that, either. Their story is "they got into a fight with drunks" and "DeMusliM broke his hand" and "they went out drinking after and only noticed the broken hand later". Right. Quite frankly, none of us know any facts other than "they went out drinking" and "they got into a fight with drunks". From my point of view, they did a stupid thing.

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On February 04 2011 04:05 [Atomic]Peace wrote:

Look, context matters. The bottom line is that we don't know how the situation went down. There are a million ways in which DeMuslim could have acted responsibility and a million ways in which he could have acted irresponsibility. You don't know enough to make a judgement on DeMuslim's choices. EG will talk to their player and make the appropriate decision. In the mean time, stop trolling this thread.

Trolling does not equal disagreement. I've already made my side of the argument. You don't agree, whatever. I'm just going to end up repeating my arguments ad nauseum until every person on TeamLiquid has read this thread. Later.

If you're gonna assume DeMuslim is just a drunkard getting into fights, we also have the right to assume you're just a troll. Don't even bother coming back.

Here's hoping you recover soon.
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Sonictonic
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden62 Posts
February 03 2011 19:21 GMT
#225
It would be fun to see how quickly Demuslim would get picked up by another team if EG booted him over this, would be their loss really.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
February 03 2011 19:23 GMT
#226
On February 04 2011 04:21 Sonictonic wrote:
It would be fun to see how quickly Demuslim would get picked up by another team if EG booted him over this, would be their loss really.

Assuming that this doesn't affect his ability to play well in the long run, which is something we don't yet know. Injuries are funny that way.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 03 2011 19:30 GMT
#227
Wtf is this thread?
Why do people here believe they have a right to judge this guy? You guys would not like your private issues being discussed on the internet either.

This is all so ridiculous here with comparisons with NBA stars and what not. This guy earns probably less than the average person in Germany. Just because his profession is playing a game he is now somehow public property and people feel the need to discuss his stuff or even demand he displays some special "professional" behaviour? Its just absurd.
Off-season = best season
Keype
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden455 Posts
February 03 2011 19:30 GMT
#228
really unfortune it was the hand and not some thing like the foot or arm:/ Get good fast dude! We want to se u at iem!:D
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Castiel
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom44 Posts
February 03 2011 19:31 GMT
#229
Speaking as someone who works in these types of environments regularly, and deals with both offenders and victims in bar fights, I see DeMusliM as doing nothing wrong. From the little testimony we have from Rotterdam, he got punched and he fell onto his elbow. If someone is looking for a fight they will always get their wish.

Also lay off him, you can't expect him to stay locked in his bedroom all day. Also, hahahaha at the amount of people stating he took a risk. Going out for a drink with friends should not be and is not a risk. If that is a risk then so it's turning his PC on in the morning because he could get electrocuted.

/ InsurrectioN
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
February 03 2011 19:32 GMT
#230
Hey at least it will be an awesome story to tell once you've healed back up

Get better soon!
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e4e5nf3
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada599 Posts
February 03 2011 19:33 GMT
#231
The title makes it down like a manly injury :D
King takes Queen
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
February 03 2011 19:37 GMT
#232
Demuslim, get better soon!
Don't mind me
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 03 2011 19:41 GMT
#233
On February 04 2011 04:05 Erandorr wrote:
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On February 04 2011 04:01 Asha` wrote:
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the sad thing is that this is exactly what any star articles look like xD


2 weeks and life lol.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 19:52:10
February 03 2011 19:41 GMT
#234
On February 04 2011 04:30 Redox wrote:
Wtf is this thread?
Why do people here believe they have a right to judge this guy? You guys would not like your private issues being discussed on the internet either.

This is all so ridiculous here with comparisons with NBA stars and what not. This guy earns probably less than the average person in Germany. Just because his profession is playing a game he is now somehow public property and people feel the need to discuss his stuff or even demand he displays some special "professional" behaviour? Its just absurd.


Welcome to the world of celebrity. His income doesn't matter. The fact that he's well-known means that people are going to have opinions and express them. If he doesn't want people judging him or talking about him, he always has the option to fade into obscurity. I'd wager that he really doesn't care, though. People have every right to judge him and he has every right to ignore their judgments.

On February 04 2011 04:31 Castiel wrote:. Also, hahahaha at the amount of people stating he took a risk. Going out for a drink with friends should not be and is not a risk. If that is a risk then so it's turning his PC on in the morning because he could get electrocuted.
/ InsurrectioN


Lots of things SHOULDN'T be risky in an ideal situation and yet plenty of things are simply because the world isn't ideal. Driving shouldn't be a risk so long as everyone obeys the rules and drives carefully, but it is because not everyone does. You calculate risks and make decisions in life everyday based on those calculations. I drive not because it's not risky, but because the overall benefits outweigh the probability that I might get broad-sided by an 18-wheeler. I don't think it's right to shrug off risk just because it seems reasonable to us because something that may be a reasonable risk for you may not be for someone else and if we misrepresent it, someone might get hurt because of it.

Texting while stopped at a red light usually won't lead to anything bad happening, but it's not something I would write off as not being risky simply because it takes your attention away from the road and you may not be able to react as quickly in the event that someone else screws up. Drinking is essentially the same thing... Of course it's certainly less risky than playing with explosives, but that's really not the point I'm trying to get at. :/
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
February 03 2011 19:47 GMT
#235
I'm sure Demusilm doesn't care about some random guy on TL judging his personal life and character based off of maybe a paragraph or two of information. Best of luck man get well soon!
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
February 03 2011 19:49 GMT
#236
Getting into a fight is almost always avoidable. The way some of the people in this thread talk it is like you go out and get into fights all the time. The going out and drinking is no big deal, the getting into a fight is stupid as hell.
Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
February 03 2011 19:51 GMT
#237
Am I the only person who would think it would be even more awesome if demuslim was a rouwdy dunkard getting into fights, and destroying nerds online?

ya he's not, he fell down at a bar... which you know... I guess if there is snow and ice you should stay inside... lol. but ya awesome all around
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
February 03 2011 19:52 GMT
#238
On February 04 2011 04:49 Duravi wrote:
Getting into a fight is almost always avoidable. The way some of the people in this thread talk it is like you go out and get into fights all the time. The going out and drinking is no big deal, the getting into a fight is stupid as hell.

More often than not whoever decided to start the fight isn't going to be happy until he had one. You try being diplomatic with an angry man with too many beers in his belly, it's actually impossible.
Tanith
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 19:57:10
February 03 2011 19:52 GMT
#239
On February 04 2011 04:49 Duravi wrote:
Getting into a fight is almost always avoidable. The way some of the people in this thread talk it is like you go out and get into fights all the time. The going out and drinking is no big deal, the getting into a fight is stupid as hell.


not almost always avoidable at all, if someone takes a dislike to you and wants to punch you he will, simple as that... do you people even leave the house and go the pubs or bars, i guess it has a lot to do with where you drink and the culture of the people you drink with..... the sad truth is you cant go out to a pub in area I live in without seeing people arrested for fighting every night of the week.

pathetic, yes it is, avoidable nope its a sad truth.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 03 2011 19:53 GMT
#240
Just like Fenix! Cept difference circumstances. Sucks
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