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Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
February 03 2011 18:36 GMT
#181
Ah this is sad . Get well soon Demuslim and hope to see you do some ownage at IEM.
:)
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
February 03 2011 18:39 GMT
#182
eg bought demuslim no?
theyre obv in it for the long term with him, this is just a small hiccup in the long road ahead for them, so its no biggy in the grand scheme of things ?
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
February 03 2011 18:39 GMT
#183
Poor, demuslim , hopes he can practice enough for IEM
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 18:47:41
February 03 2011 18:40 GMT
#184
Get well soon Demuslim!
RIP MBC Game Hero
xou
Profile Joined October 2009
France58 Posts
February 03 2011 18:41 GMT
#185
Too many drinks on Zülpicher Platz huh
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 18:42:25
February 03 2011 18:41 GMT
#186
MichaelJLowell - If anything , this seriousness and extreme strict professional approach will hurt esports and esport fanbase more than a few beers demuslim had. Obviously esports means "no fun allowed" and these 20 yo kids should live like a 40yo family father , home to work , back to home right? Kids all over the world will be dying to watch those guys , no doubt
trancey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany729 Posts
February 03 2011 18:42 GMT
#187
Wow how hilarious is it that people are actually suggesting that if you have a job you cannot have fun anymore.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
February 03 2011 18:42 GMT
#188
On February 04 2011 03:34 MichaelJLowell wrote:
I don't have a problem with people drinking. My problem was that people are going into this thread and basically excusing shitty behavior because "LOL I WAS DRUKN". Drinking is not the variable here. It just happened to be what DeMusliM was doing when he got injured. If this thread was "DeMusliM breaks hand playing basketball" or "DeMusliM breaks hand punching wall", it would have been equally as stupid.
[...]
It was an accident. "Getting into a fight at the bar" was not an accident because DeMusliM made the conscious decision to go to that bar and put himself in a position of calculated risk. By the words of the people posting in this thread, he made a calculated risk.
[/b]

Where do you get your information from that "drinking" was the thing Demuslim was doing when it happened?
Where do you get your information from that it was "a barfight"?

You just assume things; the OP even suggests, that he was on his way to the bar when the "fight" happened? (Read: "which he didn't notice until later, though, they went drinking first").

So it would be "He was on his way to a bar" which translates to "he was walking through the city at time X", because I assume destination wasnt relevant for the incident to happen.
So according to your logic he shouldnt walk around the city at time X.

And many people disagree with that conclusion. And therefore say your logic is flawed.
adnnn
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36 Posts
February 03 2011 18:43 GMT
#189
I did the same with my ankle and just carried on until next day.. turned out broken. Gotta love the British and hopefully hell be back for iem!
http://twitter.com/adnnn - God knows all the answers..
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
February 03 2011 18:43 GMT
#190
it would have been dissapointing if britians best player didnt have any drunken injurys. representing!!
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
February 03 2011 18:44 GMT
#191
Well so long as he has a contractual obligation, engaging in risky behavior could always be perceived as being "unprofessional" whether it's something we might otherwise consider to be normal human behavior or not. Professionalism has nothing to do with behaving like a normal person. If anything, it often conflicts with these instincts and behaviors. The fact that plenty of athletes engage in unprofessional behavior is also not an valid argument for that behavior not being unprofessional. It just means that a lot of athletes are unprofessional, which is not surprising that they're selected primarily for their skill rather than their manner or professionalism. Usually teams and organizations are willing to tolerate a certain degree of unprofessional behavior from their players so long as their contributions to the team's success outweigh the detriment to the team's image.

Obviously I don't know the details of Demuslim's contract, but I'd describe the incident overall to be unprofessional simply because it was an irresponsible risk from a career standpoint regardless of contractual clauses. Hopefully he'll recover just fine, but as with any activity on a professional level, you never know. It's not like we haven't seen incidents of accidents and surgeries destroying careers before. Sometimes the smallest thing can change and things are just never the same. I do hope he takes better care of himself in the future since he is an entertaining player to have in the scene.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
February 03 2011 18:44 GMT
#192
Get well man, I recently got healed from breaking my finger =(
TrinitySC
Profile Joined December 2010
101 Posts
February 03 2011 18:47 GMT
#193
oh dear.. this is unfortunate.

I hope the injury has no lasting physical effects, and I hope it is of minimum detriment to his gameplay.
SYNC_qx
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany197 Posts
February 03 2011 18:48 GMT
#194
how does this discussion about professionalism even matter?

i hope you get well soon ben!
w01f
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada79 Posts
February 03 2011 18:48 GMT
#195
Not fun - hope you have a quick recovery
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
February 03 2011 18:48 GMT
#196
On February 04 2011 03:11 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2011 02:56 Longshank wrote:
On February 04 2011 02:33 clampOK wrote:
On February 04 2011 02:25 emythrel wrote:

If an athlete goes out and drinks and "does something they regret in the morning", then yes, they're absolute complete idiots. Especially when other people have invested a lot of time and money in you, enough time and money that most of those employers set up very convenient ways to void your services if "LOL I WAS DRUKN LAST NITE N FUUU I BROKE MY HAND". DeMusliM should be thankful that EG isn't telling him to go find another team to play for.



As i have first hand experience of not being able to perform my job thru a franctured elbow i picked up while wrestling with my dad, I know just how easily these things happen. I did a hip throw and landed on my elbow, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Demuslim, but bad enough.

I had been drinking, wasn't drunk but wan't sober and probably shouldn't have been messing about, but I couldn't play a guitar for months and my band lost literally thousands of pounds in work.... were they pissed off about it? Sure.... did they kick me out of the band.... fuck no. This stuff happens and just because people have invested time and money in you doesn't make you beholdent to them.

I am sure EG aren't happy about it, I wouldn't be, but I guess neither is Demuslim since he can't earn any money until he is healed. Depending on what arm it is and his mouse/keyboard technique he shuold be able to start playing again pretty soon, the only reason I was unable to play guitar for so long was that I didn't have the range of motion in my left arm (the one you do all the work with) and you dont really need much range of motion to use a PC, the disabled guy who plays SC2 has shown that, and hand fractures heal really fast so he should be able to use a keyboard or mouse with no issues pretty soon. Hands injuries aren't as bad as people think, only if its a particularly bad break will he have any issues

Maybe this is a european thing, but going out and having a few drinks then getting in a fight isn't a big deal. No matter how hard you try to avoid it, sometimes people just won't let you walk away without a good shove, usually you get up and walk away without injury.... this time Demuslim was unlucky and fell on one of the most delicate parts of the body, you elbow isn't designed to take all your weight, when I fractured mine I fell on soft grass for gods sake ;p


You don't think a team spending thousands of dollars for travel and lodging of a player who then goes a breaks his arm isn't a big deal?


No not really. Shit happens, it's unfortunate for EG and most of all Ben but what can you do about it? I bet you're far more likely to break an arm when riding a bike than going to a pub, are you suggesting progamers shouldn't ride bikes as well?

Some here are so full of themself.

That is how it works in the US. Professional athletes have prohibitions written into their contracts. When you're paying a baseball player 15 million dollars a year, you don't want them tearing an Achilles playing a pickup game of basketball. Then, if they do, you don't have to pay them.


Of course but as long as a gamer barely makes 1 or so % of those salaries you can't make such demands and it's specifically stated in the contracts.
MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 18:49:56
February 03 2011 18:49 GMT
#197
On February 04 2011 03:41 Tiax;mous wrote:
MichaelJLowell - If anything , this seriousness and extreme strict professional approach will hurt esports and esport fanbase more than a few beers demuslim had. Obviously esports means "no fun allowed" and these 20 yo kids should live like a 40yo family father , home to work , back to home right? Kids all over the world will be dying to watch those guys , no doubt

E-sports also means that if you break your hand in something that can't be called "an accident", the employer probably has the right to fire you. If the players want to take that risk, let them.

On February 04 2011 03:42 Zocat wrote:
Where do you get your information from that "drinking" was the thing Demuslim was doing when it happened?
Where do you get your information from that it was "a barfight"?

You just assume things; the OP even suggests, that he was on his way to the bar when the "fight" happened? (Read: "which he didn't notice until later, though, they went drinking first").

So it would be "He was on his way to a bar" which translates to "he was walking through the city at time X", because I assume destination wasnt relevant for the incident to happen.
So according to your logic he shouldnt walk around the city at time X.

And many people disagree with that conclusion. And therefore say your logic is flawed.
On February 04 2011 02:10 Asha` wrote:
According to Rotti on stream:

There was an unfortunate alteraction with some drunk guys, demu got pushed/punched and fell on his elbow

He'll likely be out of hospital on Monday, is fortunately showing good improvements already

With proper rehab he could be able to start playing again after 2-3 weeks or so

Are you now going to tell me that Rotterdam isn't a reliable source because he was drinking at the time?
http://www.learntocounter.com - I'm a "known troll" so please disconnect your kid's computer when I am on the forums.
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
February 03 2011 18:52 GMT
#198
On February 04 2011 03:49 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2011 03:41 Tiax;mous wrote:
MichaelJLowell - If anything , this seriousness and extreme strict professional approach will hurt esports and esport fanbase more than a few beers demuslim had. Obviously esports means "no fun allowed" and these 20 yo kids should live like a 40yo family father , home to work , back to home right? Kids all over the world will be dying to watch those guys , no doubt

E-sports also means that if you break your hand in something that can't be called "an accident", the employer probably has the right to fire you. If the players want to take that risk, let them.

Show nested quote +
On February 04 2011 03:42 Zocat wrote:
Where do you get your information from that "drinking" was the thing Demuslim was doing when it happened?
Where do you get your information from that it was "a barfight"?

You just assume things; the OP even suggests, that he was on his way to the bar when the "fight" happened? (Read: "which he didn't notice until later, though, they went drinking first").

So it would be "He was on his way to a bar" which translates to "he was walking through the city at time X", because I assume destination wasnt relevant for the incident to happen.
So according to your logic he shouldnt walk around the city at time X.

And many people disagree with that conclusion. And therefore say your logic is flawed.
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2011 02:10 Asha` wrote:
According to Rotti on stream:

There was an unfortunate alteraction with some drunk guys, demu got pushed/punched and fell on his elbow

He'll likely be out of hospital on Monday, is fortunately showing good improvements already

With proper rehab he could be able to start playing again after 2-3 weeks or so

Are you now going to tell me that Rotterdam isn't a reliable source because he was drinking at the time?

It's a dumb move on your part just discrediting DeMuslim for being unprofessional with not enough circumstancial evidence.

We just don't know how exactly the incident occurred, and judging purely from the outcome is simply unacceptable.
Malhorn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 18:53:24
February 03 2011 18:52 GMT
#199
Some of you guys seroiusly need to lighten up, lol. Almost everyone goes out and has a good time every once in a while. Sometimes shit happens, its part of life. If you aren't going out and enjoying life, then whats the point?
Now playing: Random 8)
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 18:56:53
February 03 2011 18:55 GMT
#200
MichaelJLowell - Yea of course his employer can/may fire him if it is in his contract , noone is arguing about that. The problem is you're trying to make him look like he raped the soul of this serious esports business and he should be crucified etc etc. Or maybe you haven't noticed that , you've been preaching for like 10 pages about how irresponsible and stupid he is , while everyone was kindly wishing him well ? Chill down man...
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