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On February 04 2011 02:25 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +
If an athlete goes out and drinks and "does something they regret in the morning", then yes, they're absolute complete idiots. Especially when other people have invested a lot of time and money in you, enough time and money that most of those employers set up very convenient ways to void your services if "LOL I WAS DRUKN LAST NITE N FUUU I BROKE MY HAND". DeMusliM should be thankful that EG isn't telling him to go find another team to play for.
As i have first hand experience of not being able to perform my job thru a franctured elbow i picked up while wrestling with my dad, I know just how easily these things happen. I did a hip throw and landed on my elbow, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Demuslim, but bad enough. I had been drinking, wasn't drunk but wan't sober and probably shouldn't have been messing about, but I couldn't play a guitar for months and my band lost literally thousands of pounds in work.... were they pissed off about it? Sure.... did they kick me out of the band.... fuck no. This stuff happens and just because people have invested time and money in you doesn't make you beholdent to them. I am sure EG aren't happy about it, I wouldn't be, but I guess neither is Demuslim since he can't earn any money until he is healed. Depending on what arm it is and his mouse/keyboard technique he shuold be able to start playing again pretty soon, the only reason I was unable to play guitar for so long was that I didn't have the range of motion in my left arm (the one you do all the work with) and you dont really need much range of motion to use a PC, the disabled guy who plays SC2 has shown that, and hand fractures heal really fast so he should be able to use a keyboard or mouse with no issues pretty soon. Hands injuries aren't as bad as people think, only if its a particularly bad break will he have any issues Maybe this is a european thing, but going out and having a few drinks then getting in a fight isn't a big deal. No matter how hard you try to avoid it, sometimes people just won't let you walk away without a good shove, usually you get up and walk away without injury.... this time Demuslim was unlucky and fell on one of the most delicate parts of the body, you elbow isn't designed to take all your weight, when I fractured mine I fell on soft grass for gods sake ;p
You don't think a team spending thousands of dollars for travel and lodging of a player who then goes a breaks his arm isn't a big deal? The fact is that whenever Demuslim can return to practicing, he is almost guaranteed to further injure his arm in a permanent fashion because he will try to over practice his starcraft to make up for lost time. It looks as if short term now he was a bad investment from a business standpoint and long term, he know has an even more uphill battle as a foreigner competing vs koreans. Its a lose lose situation all around, just more proof that life has no consideration for the plans that we make.
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On February 04 2011 00:20 Debonair wrote:What bad news.  I broke my forearm not too long ago, I hope the break wasn't as bad as mine because I couldn't use a keyboard for months. + Show Spoiler +
holy *****!!!!
Best wishes to Demuslim, I hope he gets better soon!
EDIT: I think pro gamers should think about insuring their hands. It's what pro musicians do, because if shit like that happens and they lose a little mobility in their fingers their career is over.
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As i have first hand experience of not being able to perform my job thru a franctured elbow i picked up while wrestling with my dad, I know just how easily these things happen. I did a hip throw and landed on my elbow, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Demuslim, but bad enough.
I had been drinking, wasn't drunk but wan't sober and probably shouldn't have been messing about, but I couldn't play a guitar for months and my band lost literally thousands of pounds in work.... were they pissed off about it? Sure.... did they kick me out of the band.... fuck no. This stuff happens and just because people have invested time and money in you doesn't make you beholdent to them.
I am sure EG aren't happy about it, I wouldn't be, but I guess neither is Demuslim since he can't earn any money until he is healed. Depending on what arm it is and his mouse/keyboard technique he shuold be able to start playing again pretty soon, the only reason I was unable to play guitar for so long was that I didn't have the range of motion in my left arm (the one you do all the work with) and you dont really need much range of motion to use a PC, the disabled guy who plays SC2 has shown that, and hand fractures heal really fast so he should be able to use a keyboard or mouse with no issues pretty soon. Hands injuries aren't as bad as people think, only if its a particularly bad break will he have any issues
Maybe this is a european thing, but going out and having a few drinks then getting in a fight isn't a big deal. No matter how hard you try to avoid it, sometimes people just won't let you walk away without a good shove, usually you get up and walk away without injury.... this time Demuslim was unlucky and fell on one of the most delicate parts of the body, you elbow isn't designed to take all your weight, when I fractured mine I fell on soft grass for gods sake ;p
You don't think a team spending thousands of dollars for travel and lodging of a player who then goes a breaks his arm isn't a big deal? The fact is that whenever Demuslim can return to practicing, he is almost guaranteed to further injure his arm in a permanent fashion because he will try to over practice his starcraft to make up for lost time. It looks as if short term now he was a bad investment from a business standpoint and long term, he know has an even more uphill battle as a foreigner competing vs koreans. Its a lose lose situation all around, just more proof that life has no consideration for the plans that we make.
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You completely contradicted yourself in Paragraph 1 and Paragraph 3.
I'm sure he will give it enough time to heal up completely, I broke my arm when a few years back and I had no problems with it once i got the cast off and it was healed.
I'm sure he will give it enough time to heal proplerly
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You don't think a team spending thousands of dollars for travel and lodging of a player who then goes a breaks his arm isn't a big deal? The fact is that whenever Demuslim can return to practicing, he is almost guaranteed to further injure his arm in a permanent fashion because he will try to over practice his starcraft to make up for lost time. It looks as if short term now he was a bad investment from a business standpoint and long term, he know has an even more uphill battle as a foreigner competing vs koreans. Its a lose lose situation all around, just more proof that life has no consideration for the plans that we make.
I'm sure he will give it enough time to heal up completely, I broke my arm when a few years back and I had no problems with it once i got the cast off and it was healed.
I'm sure he will give it enough time to heal proplerly[/QUOTE]
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On February 04 2011 02:33 clampOK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 02:25 emythrel wrote:
If an athlete goes out and drinks and "does something they regret in the morning", then yes, they're absolute complete idiots. Especially when other people have invested a lot of time and money in you, enough time and money that most of those employers set up very convenient ways to void your services if "LOL I WAS DRUKN LAST NITE N FUUU I BROKE MY HAND". DeMusliM should be thankful that EG isn't telling him to go find another team to play for.
As i have first hand experience of not being able to perform my job thru a franctured elbow i picked up while wrestling with my dad, I know just how easily these things happen. I did a hip throw and landed on my elbow, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Demuslim, but bad enough. I had been drinking, wasn't drunk but wan't sober and probably shouldn't have been messing about, but I couldn't play a guitar for months and my band lost literally thousands of pounds in work.... were they pissed off about it? Sure.... did they kick me out of the band.... fuck no. This stuff happens and just because people have invested time and money in you doesn't make you beholdent to them. I am sure EG aren't happy about it, I wouldn't be, but I guess neither is Demuslim since he can't earn any money until he is healed. Depending on what arm it is and his mouse/keyboard technique he shuold be able to start playing again pretty soon, the only reason I was unable to play guitar for so long was that I didn't have the range of motion in my left arm (the one you do all the work with) and you dont really need much range of motion to use a PC, the disabled guy who plays SC2 has shown that, and hand fractures heal really fast so he should be able to use a keyboard or mouse with no issues pretty soon. Hands injuries aren't as bad as people think, only if its a particularly bad break will he have any issues Maybe this is a european thing, but going out and having a few drinks then getting in a fight isn't a big deal. No matter how hard you try to avoid it, sometimes people just won't let you walk away without a good shove, usually you get up and walk away without injury.... this time Demuslim was unlucky and fell on one of the most delicate parts of the body, you elbow isn't designed to take all your weight, when I fractured mine I fell on soft grass for gods sake ;p You don't think a team spending thousands of dollars for travel and lodging of a player who then goes a breaks his arm isn't a big deal? The fact is that whenever Demuslim can return to practicing, he is almost guaranteed to further injure his arm in a permanent fashion because he will try to over practice his starcraft to make up for lost time. It looks as if short term now he was a bad investment from a business standpoint and long term, he know has an even more uphill battle as a foreigner competing vs koreans. Its a lose lose situation all around, just more proof that life has no consideration for the plans that we make.
What?
I think Demuslim knows his own body well enough to not reinjure himself in 45hour practice session.
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I love all the random speculation, but i guess thats what you get when you mix the words broken hand and skirmish  , get well soon demuslim hope you can start owning again asap!
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why does every tl thread have to turn into a debate?
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People are rarely kicked off teams for being injured for 3-4 weeks xD
Get well soon DeMuslim! You're one of the most entertaining SC2 players around.
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On February 04 2011 02:47 hifriend wrote:
why does every tl thread have to turn into a debate?
makes the forums more interesting that way
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Get Some!
Sucks for Demuslim
Hopefully he recovers fine.
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I think Demuslim knows his own body well enough to not reinjure himself in 45hour practice session.
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The issue isn't how well he knows his body. The fact that his peers (both foreign and koreans) are training 12 hours a day and continually improving is why this has such a huge effect. He was already obviously behind skill wise in certain departments. I'm sure that he can return in a few weeks and begin playing again, but his arm wont be in the condition to remotely match the amount of hours that go into the game each day by a pro korean. So when trying to catch up skill wise, and also being disadvantaged in terms of practice come into effect because of the injury, it is actually a pretty serious blow to his gaming career (obviously not to his prior achievements). His self determination and perseverance must be stronger then ever to get through the next few months.
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On February 04 2011 02:48 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 02:47 hifriend wrote:
why does every tl thread have to turn into a debate? makes the forums more interesting that way
true. but the stuff in this thread really makes no sense at all. "progamers arent allowed to go out! omg drinking so unprofessional! omg hes injured,hes worthless now eg should shoot him!"
maybe in the world of a 14 yr old nerd that never went out and never followed sports this makes sense somehow. for evryone else those statements are so stupid its funny again.
clampOK, this could be true but its not like hes cut out from all practice. you can do alot in sc2 to improve your game even without playing. and i guess it depends on his exact condition if the injury will be a problem for longer.
really hope the best for him. such a cool guy and good player.
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On February 04 2011 02:48 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 02:47 hifriend wrote:
why does every tl thread have to turn into a debate? makes the forums more interesting that way
Feels weird in a thread like this.
Oh well, if that's the way people wish to spend their time.. 
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Professional Athletes get injured all the time and often times for work-unrelated reasons... remember a pro-cyclist falling of a ladder when he wanted to water some plants in a hanging basket a week before the Tour de France started. He will be more cautious next time, but a few lost weeks are hardly a tragedy. Especially as he from what I read just broke his elbow and didn't injure sinews of his fingers or something which could be way more problematic.
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wow, all the people being so negative about "demuslim's unprofessional behaviour" make me sick. yes it's bad for him and the team that he was unlucky enough to fall and break his elbow/hand, but hell, that could've happened anywhere. you can't tell people to never leave the house, just because they are professional gamers. <_<
gl and get well soon ben
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On February 04 2011 00:27 ranjutan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 00:20 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Sucks alot but headlines like this do not make him seem very professional though. Yes a true professional would never go out drinking. I mean who ever heard of a businessman going out drinking??? I am appalled.
imagine you pay someone to do something.
imagine that person got drunk and irresponsibly broke a limb, making them unable to do that something you pay them to do.
a boss in the real world would force him to take unpaid leave, holidays or just get rid of that person for good and replace him with someone more responsible.
of course it's different if you work for a big cooperation... most of which consist of a bunch of slackers, making easy money, ripping people off with monopoly or taking easy money from the government.
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On February 04 2011 02:33 clampOK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 02:25 emythrel wrote:
If an athlete goes out and drinks and "does something they regret in the morning", then yes, they're absolute complete idiots. Especially when other people have invested a lot of time and money in you, enough time and money that most of those employers set up very convenient ways to void your services if "LOL I WAS DRUKN LAST NITE N FUUU I BROKE MY HAND". DeMusliM should be thankful that EG isn't telling him to go find another team to play for.
As i have first hand experience of not being able to perform my job thru a franctured elbow i picked up while wrestling with my dad, I know just how easily these things happen. I did a hip throw and landed on my elbow, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Demuslim, but bad enough. I had been drinking, wasn't drunk but wan't sober and probably shouldn't have been messing about, but I couldn't play a guitar for months and my band lost literally thousands of pounds in work.... were they pissed off about it? Sure.... did they kick me out of the band.... fuck no. This stuff happens and just because people have invested time and money in you doesn't make you beholdent to them. I am sure EG aren't happy about it, I wouldn't be, but I guess neither is Demuslim since he can't earn any money until he is healed. Depending on what arm it is and his mouse/keyboard technique he shuold be able to start playing again pretty soon, the only reason I was unable to play guitar for so long was that I didn't have the range of motion in my left arm (the one you do all the work with) and you dont really need much range of motion to use a PC, the disabled guy who plays SC2 has shown that, and hand fractures heal really fast so he should be able to use a keyboard or mouse with no issues pretty soon. Hands injuries aren't as bad as people think, only if its a particularly bad break will he have any issues Maybe this is a european thing, but going out and having a few drinks then getting in a fight isn't a big deal. No matter how hard you try to avoid it, sometimes people just won't let you walk away without a good shove, usually you get up and walk away without injury.... this time Demuslim was unlucky and fell on one of the most delicate parts of the body, you elbow isn't designed to take all your weight, when I fractured mine I fell on soft grass for gods sake ;p You don't think a team spending thousands of dollars for travel and lodging of a player who then goes a breaks his arm isn't a big deal?
No not really. Shit happens, it's unfortunate for EG and most of all Ben but what can you do about it? I bet you're far more likely to break an arm when riding a bike than going to a pub, are you suggesting progamers shouldn't ride bikes as well?
Some here are so full of themself.
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On February 04 2011 00:20 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Sucks alot but headlines like this do not make him seem very professional though.
To me, it sounds exactly like a professional Making silly mistake(or crime in some cases) that fucks your career up. Hope he gets well fast though.
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It is not unprofessional by him, but it sucks for him professionally. Here is hoping he gets well soon!
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On February 04 2011 02:50 clampOK wrote:
I'm sure that he can return in a few weeks and begin playing again, but his arm wont be in the condition to remotely match the amount of hours that go into the game each day by a pro korean. So when trying to catch up skill wise, and also being disadvantaged in terms of practice come into effect because of the injury, it is actually a pretty serious blow to his gaming career (obviously not to his prior achievements). His self determination and perseverance must be stronger then ever to get through the next few months.
Fear not. Doctors & physiotherapist in Germany actually know what they're doing.
And you dont need hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay them (German healthcare ftw!).
So he's in good hands.
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