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On January 20 2011 04:06 Coramoor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 04:00 CanucksJC wrote:
I thought Jinro saw the reinforcing lings, but I guess by that point, it was too late anyways.
Also, you can't really argue that Jinro hearing the commentators didn't have an effect in the game. Like he said, he canceled the marine, whether or not it was on purpose, and that messed up IdrA's timing to surround. The marine therefore survived, and IdrA lost the game.
I'd argue that that's pretty game changing although Jinro didn't wall-in right away.
Tough break for IdrA IMO. he said in the interview that he cancelled the marine while trying to cancel the 2nd barracks while the drones and lings were already in his base(rewatch the vod, the cancel for the barracks is about 10 seconds after the lings and drones get into the base... that's just a misclick, in no way did knowing about a 6pool from crowd noise affect his decision there
Actually now that I think about it, all this was after he saw the lings. scratch what i said 
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On January 20 2011 03:40 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 02:40 L3g3nd_ wrote:
well lets be honest it didnt help him, he scouted a bit earlier, but missed the lings/drones on the way only seeing 1 drone going, which means nothing. the first he knew of it was when the lings were in his base Seeing the drone actually made me go "oh I guess they said oooh about something else then". Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:28 Liam wrote:On January 20 2011 03:25 Ancient.eu wrote:
If he wanted to address the issue he should have spoken with the officials after the game, let them know the situation and fix it, not say it in an interview, create doubt about the match and about Gom's professionalism. I agree, but keep in mind. He just finished his game and and probably was full of adrenalin and still happy about the win. He started to swear again and I bet he did not think about everything he said. Correct, and I also agree with Ancient - I just did not view the situation from anything but the perspective of myself, idra, and people watching.
I almost think that while it may have been more professional to withhold that for the officials, it also showed quite a huge bit of humility and honesty to admit it publicly.
Additionally, it also would seem to nullify any argument that could be made about you attempting to hide the fact you heard something, if the news came out later from some other source (ie. some friend you told, someone overhearing something, an official leaking the news, that kind of stuff).
Thus in the moment, it would seem best to clear the air immediately and get everything out of the way.
But of course, Ancient is right in the long run. I think its just a tad bit more difficult to have that kind of wisdom when you're caught up in the moment and you have a conscience that might be telling you to be honest about what you might have heard.
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I bet more ppl heard the crowd and commentators. So Jinro was the first one being honest about it
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On personal level its a much better feeling to clear the air right away and be forthcoming and honest. There has to be a point when you put that above GOM or whoever else... I think Jinro handled it perfectly and I dont think its fair to ask him to handle it any other way.
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Nothing should be replayed or counted as invalid in anyway.. both sides played under the SAME conditions.
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This thread is now about congratulation our gorilla terran hero and commending Gom for addressing the issue so quickly.
Gratz to all!
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While this could at best provide a very minor advantage if the situation and mental interpretations align, I do think it odd that no one mentioned there was at least some sound leaking through prior to this.
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On January 20 2011 04:13 SwiFt wrote:
I bet more ppl heard the crowd and commentators. So Jinro was the first one being honest about it
This is what I was thinking. How many other players have heard it, but never said anything? At least he said something about it. Great matches though.
I don't think him hearing the commentators impacted the game at all, but it is an issue that GOM wants to fix right away. With the finals coming up, you know its louder and more plays will be given away if it's not fixed.
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It was Big of Jinro to meantion that himself publicly right after amazing series jinro is way ahead of idra in skill now
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It's great they are addressing the issue so quickly. Makes you wonder how many of the Korean gamers, that actually understand what is being said, have been using such a sound leak to their own advantage without telling anyone. Props to Jinro for bringing the issue into the light (and being upfront about it) and gomTV for following through.
Good luck to Jinro in the round of 4!
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Glad to see the issue was addressed so promptly.
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Nice reaction by GOM. I had to laugh about the self warning =D.
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Wow that is pretty big of GOM to address this issue. I have never regretted a single season I have bought and they just keep making it better and responding and fixing issues as needed.
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Nice to hear they're going to adjust accordingly to that issue.
And yeah, in this case it wasn't too big of a deal except perhaps for Jinro's mindset, what do I know.
But even though the early SCV had a ling within vision range for a very short moment Jinro didn't have focus on it anymore and thus didn't see it.
As someone else said, he would've walled in immediately in that case.
So everything's nice and dandy :f
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I missed the interview but I'm glag Gom will address the issue and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet but Jinro since if it happened to him it may have happened to others.
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HuK's mothership at MLG was probably the most obvious moment of a crowd giving away info. It's kind of hard to tell an excited crowd to be quiet, and ruins the fun of a live event you spent a lot of money to attend. I am just glad we're not accepting this as "part of the game." See "flopping/NBA."
Just a couple days ago on BBC, I heard an interesting report about noise canceling headphones under development that will be used to suppress the noise of the dreaded dentist drill.
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Well at least they're making an effort
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Jinro is such a good example of a, I don't know, awesome human being (??) for confessing.
Also, it doesn't matter that this issue didn't change the outcome, the fact is that it COULD'VE.
Awesome of Gom to acknowledge the issue, w/o wasting time.I wonder what KeSPa would have done...
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Well handled by Jinro (for being so honest), by Gom (for addressing it so quickly) and by IdrA (for not making a big problem out of it).
Hope they will fix the problem quickly tho
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Jinro should not have considered it "cheating" in any way to wall after after hearing the crowd.
very moral guy
edit: the only way he could have been more manor about it would be to wall in then lol and suggest a regame
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