Why don't they teach the commentators to not bust a nut when a 6 pool happens...its kind of a dead give away.. you don't have to yell to describe the excitement that is building.

SushilS

2115 Posts

January 21 2011 16:23 GMT

#222

On January 21 2011 16:10 SpaceFighting wrote:
dont worry guys, they officially warned themselves.. its all gud

ROFL!! My thoughts exactly! GOM really needs to say something better than "we warn ourselves!"

Zrana

United Kingdom698 Posts

January 21 2011 17:53 GMT

#223

I don't get why the players need to be in the room as the commentators

mierin

United States4943 Posts

January 21 2011 17:53 GMT

#224

On January 22 2011 01:23 SushilS wrote:

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ROFL!! My thoughts exactly! GOM really needs to say something better than "we warn ourselves!"

But...it will NEVER EXPIRE! I thought it was a bit silly, but at least they've recognized the problem.

Wait a sec, if GOMtv gets IP banned...how will we watch GSL?

summerloud

Austria1201 Posts

January 21 2011 17:55 GMT

#225

censoring the interview doesnt really get my hopes that they will actually do their best to fix this

maybe their mindset is more like "this stupid european. korean players are getting clues all the time but just not talk about it. lets hope foreign players dont do so well next gsl and the problem is solved"

but oh wait they "warned themselves" so i guess its all good

Decko

United States150 Posts

January 21 2011 18:48 GMT

#226

Gorilla Terran threw his fecal matter, and it mattered...

Warlike Prince

371 Posts

January 21 2011 20:06 GMT

#227

after they do a great job of addressing this, they go and edit the interview, that pretty much negates what they did.

Xeph

Korea (South)191 Posts

January 21 2011 21:04 GMT

#228

Still no answer to my post about editing interview video from GSL staffs.

frostfall

Sweden22 Posts

January 21 2011 21:59 GMT

#229

Seems kind of odd to make an official statement about a problem and then censor the opinion about the problem. They made a mistake and confessed, great. they made a mistake and confessed and then tries to cover it up, bad.

SushilS

2115 Posts

January 21 2011 22:04 GMT

#230

For those who missed it!!
Jinro is so baller for being upfront bout it! Go Jinro go!!!

mprs

Canada2933 Posts

January 21 2011 22:51 GMT

#231

I love how Jinro handled it. He didn't try to hide it.

I also loved how GSL handled it. They addressed it and promised to be better.

... then they censor the interview... really?

HisDudeness

United States17 Posts

January 21 2011 23:12 GMT

#232

On January 22 2011 01:23 SushilS wrote:

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ROFL!! My thoughts exactly! GOM really needs to say something better than "we warn ourselves!"

I think the word "warn" is just a poor translation of what the statement meant in Korean.

gulati

United States2241 Posts

January 21 2011 23:19 GMT

#233

use the construction-style earcaps used in OSL/MSL/PL, and use noise-cancelling earbuds. as it is, most players in GSL are former BW pros, and they know and are used to that style of headphones/earcaps. soundproof booths are also a plus.

whatever the fix may be, i'm happy to see GOM address the issue, and respect the fact that they warned themselves.

as per the warn, since it does not expire, what is the consequence of a second warn on GOM? (for any issue, not necessarily soundproofing; do they pay a fine? do they shut down for a season?)

best of luck to professional sc2 around the world; jinro definitely opened their eyes for those who are not familiar with professional BW and it's soundproofing that has been implemented for almost a decade.

gulati

United States2241 Posts

January 21 2011 23:21 GMT

#234

On January 22 2011 01:07 purecarnagge wrote:
Why don't they teach the commentators to not bust a nut when a 6 pool happens...its kind of a dead give away.. you don't have to yell to describe the excitement that is building.

you sort of do. this was the most hyped event in the history of sc2. yelling, screaming, swearing.. there is no holding back. i do not want to listen to commentators who seem dull and boring. that's not the reason why we love korean commentators. we love them (the foreigners who do not understand Korean, that is) because of their passion. just listen to Kingdom commentating OSL for + Show Spoiler +

stork v fantasy

in a few days, and you will know what i am talking about.

teh_longinator

Canada725 Posts

January 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#235

Wait a tick. The players can hear tasteosis and the crowd? How long has this been going on? Is that how choyafou manages to stay in the fight for so long?

RetFan

32 Posts

January 22 2011 02:18 GMT

#236

To Teamliquid members

The issue relating to soundproof booths has been an issue in Starcraft 1. The most notable case being the case of flash and what was termed an 'Ear Hack by some members of the TL community.

I'd like to point out how significant this issue is by discussing:

- The engineering of the sound booth
- The practical effects of 'ear hacking'

Construction of the sound proof booth

The booth used both in Starcraft and Starcraft II are different, however the design is practically unchanged.

A sound proof booth is mainly achieved through the use of two planes of sound proof glass, which have a vacuum between them. Since sound is a wave, it needs a medium through which to travel. As more than half the booth is constructed with this glass, it prevents most of the noise from entering in and out.

However, anyone who has lived in an apartment with windows made of soundproof glass knows that sound can still get through. Not through the glass itself but through layers of air that provide ventilation. Where I stay, I have sound proof glass surrounding one side of the building, yet I am able to hear the music from a club from my house which is 15 minutes away.

Now in the case of Starcraft, bear in mind that the source and the receiver (player) are very close. The energy density of sound waves will be the strongest in this scenario, as the intensity of sound is attenuated according to the inverse square of the distance from the source.

Next, we contemplate that the booth is also made of other elements that include metal, fabric and paper. This provides barely any real sound blockage from the commentators.The noise blockage comes exclusively from the ear muffs.

The practical effects of 'ear hacking'

It is established that the majority of sound reduction is achieved through the use of muffs and noise reduction in ear headphones, with the booth itself providing very little actual support. Again, ear muffs also do not provide perfect sound reduction against broad sound waves and in particular, speech.

In ear canal headphones can provide additional sound reduction properties but again, this can be very minimal. As an owner of a pair of Shure SE530 headphones, which boast superior noise reduction capabilities, I am very clear as to how the dynamics work. The way that noise is reduced is through blocking the ear canal using a choice of foam or silicone ear buds which can be chosen in accordance to size. Only a perfect fit can increase bass response and reduce noise. Anything less than a perfect fit allows most of the sound reduction properties to be negated.

As a result of inadequate sound reduction measures and the intensely loud commentator speakers, players who are smart are able to take advantage of the situation. By choosing a ear bud which is small, and wearing a particular brand of ear muffs, a player is able to hear most of what is being spoken or yelled by the commentators in a live broadcast. This provides invaluable information to the recipient of the information, allowing them to hard counter any type of play.

I suspect that KT Flash has been aware of this issue for a very long period of time and has been taking advantage of it. Time and time again, there have been matches where he turns his scouting SCV around for no reason, and is able to find proxy buildings built by his opponents. I am sure TL readers (non-flash) fans can give numerous examples.

I doubt Liquid Jinro thought about the repercussions of discussing the sound proofing issue in his interview. I believe that it was the adrenaline that caused him to state this in the interview. Otherwise, just like Flash, he could have exploited this physical flaw for many GSLs to come.

Ctrl W

12 Posts

January 22 2011 02:24 GMT

#237

I think it's a bit naive to think GomTV's "official statement" was sincere. It's all business and businesses will do and say whatever their customers want to hear. In this case, GomTV thought some kind of pre-emptive action would be the best course of damage control.

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

January 22 2011 02:38 GMT

#238

On January 22 2011 09:04 teh_longinator wrote:
Wait a tick. The players can hear tasteosis and the crowd? How long has this been going on? Is that how choyafou manages to stay in the fight for so long?

If everyone yells their lungs out, there's gonna be noise in the booth. Kinda a no brainer to me.
I highly doubt players can make out any words though. Also tastosis don't have any loud speakers to the crowd, so ofcourse players won't hear them. The korean commentators do though, so koreans might have a slight advantage.
It's like this for every tournament, and it's hard to fix if you want to have audiance there.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

January 22 2011 11:03 GMT

#239

Look at Fantasy vs. Stork game 1 of their OSL finals- pretty obvious Fantasy ear hacks when he dances his scv back and forth for no reason. Didn't help him one bit