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On January 20 2011 03:17 resilve wrote:
Hm, this could/has been a serious game/deciding issue for several seasons now? =/
Am just trying to think about all the games where I was amazed the players scouted incoming tech and hoping it was legitimate :z
It's been an issue at pretty much any live-event ever...
For example players were complaining at both IEM and MLG about hearing the casters... Most of them saying it's more annoying than helpful tho
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On January 20 2011 03:35 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:29 Reborn8u wrote:
I'll never forget artosis's face when Jinro said "I heard the announcers go "OOOOOOO"" I hope MLG takes this seriously as well. I remember TTone saying at the last MLG that he was afraid to 4 gate or stargate because it was so easy to pick out them saying "4 gate" or "Stargate" among all the noise, because the players could hear the commentators. Lol i wanted to re-watch the interview cause i missed artosis's face. However jinro's interview isn't even up on GomTv.net. while the winner of Nada and MKP interview is.
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/gomcam/60081
by leetly -1ing the link
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Gah spoilers, please add something about potential spoilers >.>
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http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/gomcam/60081
the interview.
I couldn't find it either when I looked at the gomcam video list, but then I saw that someone on teamliquid posted that link. He said that the video was up but the list didn't have it. He was right.
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props to gom and jinro.
boo on you ancient.
btw Jinro being able to hear excited, though certainly incomprehensible, announcers seems small compared to the way Artosis and Tasteless describe chinese tournaments.
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On January 20 2011 02:40 L3g3nd_ wrote:
well lets be honest it didnt help him, he scouted a bit earlier, but missed the lings/drones on the way only seeing 1 drone going, which means nothing. the first he knew of it was when the lings were in his base
Seeing the drone actually made me go "oh I guess they said oooh about something else then".
On January 20 2011 03:28 Liam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:25 Ancient.eu wrote:
If he wanted to address the issue he should have spoken with the officials after the game, let them know the situation and fix it, not say it in an interview, create doubt about the match and about Gom's professionalism. I agree, but keep in mind. He just finished his game and and probably was full of adrenalin and still happy about the win. He started to swear again and I bet he did not think about everything he said.
Correct, and I also agree with Ancient - I just did not view the situation from anything but the perspective of myself, idra, and people watching.
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Jinro is a man for talking about this. For what it's worth, you have my respect sir.
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On January 20 2011 03:34 BGrael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 20 2011 02:42 oPPRoBe wrote:
That's pretty cool. They should get sponsored by BOSE to get those nice noise-canceling headphones.
I wonder how idra feels about having no rematch... Just like to point out that noise-cancelling does not work this way. Noise cancellling is only effective against constant, very specific frequencies. BOSE for instance make headphones designed for travel use. They will block out constant noise like say, aircraft engines, train ambience etc. They are not particularly effective against speech, which produces very broad frequency sounds. They may reduce the volume of it certainly, but they cannot cancel it entirely, or even by a reasonable amount. So what can you do for noise cancelling? How do they do it in BW ? Can't you use in-ear phones for the starcraft sounds and put attenuators above that?
They have noise-canceling headphones and the booths have an actual door instead of a curtain
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Is it really necessary to have the players in the same room as the audience?
Can't they just put the boots far apart, and have a camera on the players that is broadcasted to the audience with the game screen?
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I wonder if this "sound proofing issue" has been there for a long time... Jinro might not be the first player to hear things. Just first to comment on it.
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On January 20 2011 03:50 MDew wrote:
Is it really necessary to have the players in the same room as the audience?
Can't they just put the boots far apart, and have a camera on the players that is broadcasted to the audience with the game screen?
It probably wouldn't matter for Americans but AFAIK Koreans love the idea of having the stage and the players dueling it out under a bunch of multicolored lights. Hell just look at Japanese MMA compared to American MMA in terms of the fanfare and entrances. Different cultures. The players need to be with the audience.
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I guess.
Must be hard on the players with hundreds of eyes on them (like literally 20 ft away) while playing though xD
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I'm glad GomTV is addressing this. It's exactly what I expected after Jinro's comment during the interview.
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Props to Gom and Jinro for being so cool about and confessing it.
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I thought Jinro saw the reinforcing lings, but I guess by that point, it was too late anyways.
Also, you can't really argue that Jinro hearing the commentators didn't have an effect in the game. Like he said, he canceled the marine, whether or not it was on purpose, and that messed up IdrA's timing to surround. The marine therefore survived, and IdrA lost the game.
I'd argue that that's pretty game changing although Jinro didn't wall-in right away.
Tough break for IdrA IMO.
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On January 20 2011 03:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 02:42 oPPRoBe wrote:
That's pretty cool. They should get sponsored by BOSE to get those nice noise-canceling headphones.
I wonder how idra feels about having no rematch... Just like to point out that noise-cancelling does not work this way. Noise cancellling is only effective against constant, very specific frequencies. BOSE for instance make headphones designed for travel use. They will block out constant noise like say, aircraft engines, train ambience etc. They are not particularly effective against speech, which produces very broad frequency sounds. They may reduce the volume of it certainly, but they cannot cancel it entirely, or even by a reasonable amount.
Man, they should give total biscuit a GSL championship trophy for this post... truly awesome, keep up the good work. Who needs oGsMC when we have totalbiscuit
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On January 20 2011 03:40 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 02:40 L3g3nd_ wrote:
well lets be honest it didnt help him, he scouted a bit earlier, but missed the lings/drones on the way only seeing 1 drone going, which means nothing. the first he knew of it was when the lings were in his base Seeing the drone actually made me go "oh I guess they said oooh about something else then". Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:28 Liam wrote:On January 20 2011 03:25 Ancient.eu wrote:
If he wanted to address the issue he should have spoken with the officials after the game, let them know the situation and fix it, not say it in an interview, create doubt about the match and about Gom's professionalism. I agree, but keep in mind. He just finished his game and and probably was full of adrenalin and still happy about the win. He started to swear again and I bet he did not think about everything he said. Correct, and I also agree with Ancient - I just did not view the situation from anything but the perspective of myself, idra, and people watching.
I LOVE the fact that Jinro himself comes and tells the community himself. Good luck sir and best of luck in the RO4.
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i wouldn't have expected so much of the community to go and do this blowing shit out of proportion bullcrap over a slightly controversial, but actually straight-forward situation which was brought up and addressed within a very short time span
1. there was no advantage on jinro's or idra's side for whatever they might've overheard seeing how the match went down. it might've helped in the 4th set, and it's true that even if it didn't in effect, the mere possibility of this happening is of concern, however, see point 3
2. jinro was awesome for calling the issue out, though it looked like negligence under the effect of the endorphins running through his brain as a consequence of his win
3. gom responded with great professionalism, swiftly and concisely. i think they responded as they should have and saved face. in the end, problems like these occur everywhere and what matters is the way they are handled, and gom did a great job [so far; waiting on a timely effective followup to their statements on this issue]
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On January 20 2011 04:00 CanucksJC wrote:
I thought Jinro saw the reinforcing lings, but I guess by that point, it was too late anyways.
Also, you can't really argue that Jinro hearing the commentators didn't have an effect in the game. Like he said, he canceled the marine, whether or not it was on purpose, and that messed up IdrA's timing to surround. The marine therefore survived, and IdrA lost the game.
I'd argue that that's pretty game changing although Jinro didn't wall-in right away.
Tough break for IdrA IMO.
he said in the interview that he cancelled the marine while trying to cancel the 2nd barracks while the drones and lings were already in his base(rewatch the vod, the cancel for the barracks is about 10 seconds after the lings and drones get into the base... that's just a misclick, in no way did knowing about a 6pool from crowd noise affect his decision there
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On January 20 2011 02:42 oPPRoBe wrote:
That's pretty cool. They should get sponsored by BOSE to get those nice noise-canceling headphones.
I wonder how idra feels about having no rematch...
Hes obviously cool about it as he brought up no objections for a rematch.
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