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Novac
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark23 Posts
November 16 2010 14:41 GMT
#81
Hmm... I can't help but feel that having the game manufacturer controlling so much of the eSports scene pertaining to their games is dangerous.

This is not about SC:BW but merely the fact that Blizzard wants a "With permission from Blizzard" clause in everything. Meaning that if they felt like it, all eSports based on their games could be shut down over night. They could simply refuse to give permission or renew broadcasting rights to any of their games and everyone will be forced on to their next game.

It is scary that this is setting precedent for the relation between a game manufacturer and eSports.

Where is the protection for all the people dedicating their life to eSports if Blizzard felt like forcing everyone to play Starcraft 3? Or 4?
At some point some legal protection against the possibility of a game manufacturer pulling the plug will have to be created. Otherwise we might as well not even try getting eSports properly off the ground.

Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time.
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
November 16 2010 14:49 GMT
#82
Re: Novac - On the flipside, I think it's great to have their ongoing support as it significantly ensures the quality and life cycle of the game. I don't see any issue with it.
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Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
November 16 2010 14:51 GMT
#83
On November 16 2010 17:30 Gonodactylus wrote:
Ooh wow Blizzard is going to love that.

Remember, Blizzard hates Kespa for different reasons people here do. Blizzard would hate kespa just as much if they were total saints. Interests just collide.

Blizzard will try to stop this before they get too powerful. Can't have something not under their control and this is exactly that.



Did you even read the thread? They aim to be participating and playing under Blizzard approval and support....


Too tired to come up with something witty.
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
November 16 2010 14:52 GMT
#84
On November 16 2010 23:41 Novac wrote:
Hmm... I can't help but feel that having the game manufacturer controlling so much of the eSports scene pertaining to their games is dangerous.

This is not about SC:BW but merely the fact that Blizzard wants a "With permission from Blizzard" clause in everything. Meaning that if they felt like it, all eSports based on their games could be shut down over night. They could simply refuse to give permission or renew broadcasting rights to any of their games and everyone will be forced on to their next game.

It is scary that this is setting precedent for the relation between a game manufacturer and eSports.

Where is the protection for all the people dedicating their life to eSports if Blizzard felt like forcing everyone to play Starcraft 3? Or 4?
At some point some legal protection against the possibility of a game manufacturer pulling the plug will have to be created. Otherwise we might as well not even try getting eSports properly off the ground.

Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time.


How is that any different from the power KESPA has? If a KESPA BW player wants to switch to SC2, they lose their license for 3 years and might even have their records "accidentally deleted."

If you think Blizzard is just going to cut off access to SC2 when a new game they want to play comes out, then that is just ridiculous. Has Blizzard shut off BNet for SC:BW yet? For WC3? Did they kill D2 classic when LoD came out?

Anyway, this all depends on how much power the players association is given. If it is something akin to the NBA, NFL, etc., then I think it might be very good for the players.

If it is just a figurehead position with no power, then it might be very bad for the players.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 14:58:44
November 16 2010 14:58 GMT
#85
Depending on how this goes, having a Players Association that isn't under control of the people who pay the players might go a long way.

In most North American sports, NFL, NHL, NBA, and MLB the players association has a lot of power in protecting the rights of its players. Maybe it will get to the point where the leagues need to have a CBA in order to have the players from the association participate which would make a Pro League very awesome in knowing that the players are playing under contracts that are fair(hopefully).

Keep it to the coaches and players and it should keep its integrity.
Brood War forever!
DragonDefonce
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States790 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 15:13:54
November 16 2010 15:13 GMT
#86
On November 16 2010 17:29 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 17:26 Whiladan wrote:
Should be interesting to see how this plays out.


So is this...GeSPA?

You know what GeSPA means right? xD


ROFLMAO!!!

If they name themselves GeSpa, that would be the equivalent of sticking the middle finger at Kespa. I wish they would do it just for the sake of hilarity.
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
November 16 2010 15:15 GMT
#87
On November 16 2010 23:52 Adila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 23:41 Novac wrote:
Hmm... I can't help but feel that having the game manufacturer controlling so much of the eSports scene pertaining to their games is dangerous.

This is not about SC:BW but merely the fact that Blizzard wants a "With permission from Blizzard" clause in everything. Meaning that if they felt like it, all eSports based on their games could be shut down over night. They could simply refuse to give permission or renew broadcasting rights to any of their games and everyone will be forced on to their next game.

It is scary that this is setting precedent for the relation between a game manufacturer and eSports.

Where is the protection for all the people dedicating their life to eSports if Blizzard felt like forcing everyone to play Starcraft 3? Or 4?
At some point some legal protection against the possibility of a game manufacturer pulling the plug will have to be created. Otherwise we might as well not even try getting eSports properly off the ground.

Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time.


How is that any different from the power KESPA has? If a KESPA BW player wants to switch to SC2, they lose their license for 3 years and might even have their records "accidentally deleted."

If you think Blizzard is just going to cut off access to SC2 when a new game they want to play comes out, then that is just ridiculous. Has Blizzard shut off BNet for SC:BW yet? For WC3? Did they kill D2 classic when LoD came out?

Anyway, this all depends on how much power the players association is given. If it is something akin to the NBA, NFL, etc., then I think it might be very good for the players.

If it is just a figurehead position with no power, then it might be very bad for the players.

Aside from keeping b.net running, Blizzard pretty much abandoned bw/wc3 loooooooooong time ago, which is hilarious because their main argument over bw was that they want to protect the rights of the game and keep supporting it.
Novac
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark23 Posts
November 16 2010 15:22 GMT
#88
On November 16 2010 23:52 Adila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 23:41 Novac wrote:
Hmm... I can't help but feel that having the game manufacturer controlling so much of the eSports scene pertaining to their games is dangerous.

This is not about SC:BW but merely the fact that Blizzard wants a "With permission from Blizzard" clause in everything. Meaning that if they felt like it, all eSports based on their games could be shut down over night. They could simply refuse to give permission or renew broadcasting rights to any of their games and everyone will be forced on to their next game.

It is scary that this is setting precedent for the relation between a game manufacturer and eSports.

Where is the protection for all the people dedicating their life to eSports if Blizzard felt like forcing everyone to play Starcraft 3? Or 4?
At some point some legal protection against the possibility of a game manufacturer pulling the plug will have to be created. Otherwise we might as well not even try getting eSports properly off the ground.

Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time.


How is that any different from the power KESPA has? If a KESPA BW player wants to switch to SC2, they lose their license for 3 years and might even have their records "accidentally deleted."

If you think Blizzard is just going to cut off access to SC2 when a new game they want to play comes out, then that is just ridiculous. Has Blizzard shut off BNet for SC:BW yet? For WC3? Did they kill D2 classic when LoD came out?

Anyway, this all depends on how much power the players association is given. If it is something akin to the NBA, NFL, etc., then I think it might be very good for the players.

If it is just a figurehead position with no power, then it might be very bad for the players.


I didn't say anything about KeSPA. All I'm saying is that the eSports scene should be controlled by an organization whose interests are best served by keeping the eSports scene alive rather than selling more of a new game.

As an example, lets look at the SC:BW - SC2 controversy. A lot of people have stated that Blizzard could be trying to shut down the SC:BW eSport in Korea, because they are not making any money off it, since people already have bought the game.
Whether this statement is true or not, is largely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that IF they wanted to put an end to SC:BW broadcasting, they could, regardless of how well established of an eSport it is.
Again, this is not about Blizzards plans with their games and eSports as I'm sure they want to please the fans of their games. This is about the fact that they are not restricted from denying broadcasting of their games. And if what is happening right now is setting a precedent for other games, then other game manufacturers will have the same option.

As for shutting down BNet for SC:BW. No they have not done so and again I don't believe they will. And in my opinion very little would be gained by doing so as people who are still playing SC:BW have little interest in playing SC2 or they would have done so already. However, making sure that SC2 is what is being shown on television has a much bigger impact and serves to make people want to play SC2 rather than denying the opportunity to play SC:BW.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
November 16 2010 15:51 GMT
#89
I would prefer if Blizzard wasn't involved since their interest conflicts with the interest of eSports organizations such as this, but it seems that they're adamant about being in control of everything...
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
November 16 2010 15:52 GMT
#90
does Kespa have a players association? From what i've read they don't, else players wouldn't ever have gotten in the position to be banned from competing in other games.

This new KoSCa will have a players assoication too, with representatives elected by the players. Thats just like what they have in soccer, rugby etc to support the players and to help them deal with any disputes. That is a huge difference with Kespa.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
November 16 2010 15:55 GMT
#91
Good for them, hopefully this will increase Starcraft 2 tournaments and sponsorship.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
November 16 2010 15:56 GMT
#92
blizzard is a brand now. they aren't that awesome upcoming company they were 15 years ago
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
November 16 2010 16:11 GMT
#93
It sounds nice, if they give a lot to the players and teams in profit terms, instead of GOMTV & Blizzard as companys. Who have to win a lot from this are the players, and then the companys, if it doesnt come in that way, it will be like kespa one more time.
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Shrewmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 16:16:57
November 16 2010 16:14 GMT
#94
On November 17 2010 00:56 Sprouter wrote:
blizzard is a brand now. they aren't that awesome upcoming company they were 15 years ago


Uh, they stopped being an 'upcoming' company after WC2 was released.

What's up with all the Blizzard bashing anyway? Have they cut off support for BW? WC3? What exactly is wrong with someone getting permission from them to make money from airing a game they worked on?

Blaming Activision is just fallacious, Blizzard was exactly the same before and after the merger.

Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time.


That really doesn't make any sense.

You argue that Blizzard will destroy Esports when the one thing they want is more people to play their games, which is how it was with Brood War and it's how it is with SC2. Just because they ask for more control over the game they actually worked on is not an instant correlation to "Herp, they want to destroy E-sports guys!"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
November 16 2010 16:30 GMT
#95
Hopefully, this will end up being a Proleague of some sort. Proleague is my favorite league in BW . It's the league that gives a certain stability to the scene as players who are eliminated early in the starleagues still get a chance to play and either rack up experience or play themselves out of a slump.
Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
November 16 2010 16:34 GMT
#96
Wait... No Liquid involvement?
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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
November 16 2010 16:39 GMT
#97
Well, now that I've had some sleep I've come back to reflect upon this article in detail.

So far the setup seems to be like this:

**
President: Won Jeong Uk (Coach of STARTALE & long time employee in the e-Sports industry)
Advisory Commitee: GomTV e-Sports Business Management and an editor from a famous e-Sports specialized webzine.
StarCraft 2 Game Team Association: Coaches of the current teams.
Players Association: Person voted in by the players themselves.

**Note: There is no secret Blizzard guy on top sitting in a demonic chair ruling everything.

I think it's cool that the top guy to make decisions is someone who's been involved with esports since 2003. Especially considering his thoughts on how progamers should play.
(No forced practice. See: thread)

As for the Advisory Committee, I assume the GomTV business management side will advise on business stuff like venues, broadcasting and helping with sponsors. An editor from the famous e-sports specialized webzine (fomos, playxp?) would probably be in charge of conveying what the fans want and how they feel about things, hopefully remaining impartial.

The Team Association will probably deal with getting personal Team Sponsors, equipment and setting up a Team Proleague, since it involves all the coaches. I'd love it if Team Liquid could get representation in here whether its from an oGs ally or TL itself. I'd love for this to remain at the Coach level and never include sponsor representatives.

As for the Players Association, I really like that it will be the players themselves that vote for a representative. I'm assuming it'll be someone important like BoxeR (in fact, BoxeR is a perfect choice) that they all trust to convey the players voices. He/she can also report on issues between players and teams to the rest of the committee. This is a very important part of this whole thing.


All in all, if these people are truly serious about the growth of e-Sports in Korea, it could work out pretty well. I have high hopes, but remain with caution. It really is a nice setup if done faithfully, and I don't think it'd be bad to see something similar in the West when e-Sports grows more popular.
Taengoo ♥
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
November 16 2010 16:55 GMT
#98
why is TeamLiquid never in any of these things? SC2 team wars, no TL. SC2 association, no TL.

drag_
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England425 Posts
November 16 2010 17:02 GMT
#99
What will team liquid's involvement in this be? Does OGs count as both teams, or is this more of a national league?
Selith
Profile Joined September 2010
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 17:16:40
November 16 2010 17:15 GMT
#100
TeamLiquid is not yet involved since this association is aiming for Korean scene support right now. If they were based in South Korea, there would be 99% chance they would be part of this right from get-go.
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