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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
November 16 2010 18:50 GMT
#121
Well as long as this "KeSPA 2.0" is Blizzard approved, I don't see any KeSPA/Blizzard wars in the future which is a good thing.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
November 16 2010 18:58 GMT
#122
Wow, sounds exactly like....

You know what? Never mind.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 16 2010 19:03 GMT
#123
So in ten years are they going to rename themselves the StarCraft 3 association in order to keep the blessing of Blizzard?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 19:11:03
November 16 2010 19:07 GMT
#124
I don't think teams that don't speak Korean should be in this. It is an impossible hassle to an organization not to be able to communicate with everyone directly. We don't understand the scene as well as the Koreans if we understand it at all. We may have a better understanding of how Korea works than the next foreigner but it is nothing compared to Koreans who have lived in this scene for so long. Not being able to speak the language can greatly hurt the effectiveness of an organization. Either you would slow everything down, possibly causing confusion and misunderstanding over translations, or you would end up being excluded.

I don't really have much of an opinion about this organization I'd say we just have to see how things go before making any judgments. If it's bad I'd be happy Liquid isn't part of it because we wouldn't have been able to stop anything and we do our own thing anyway, and if it's good we aren't really needed. I'm perfectly fine with the influence and expertise we have in the foreign scene. Korea is another world another culture that we can't fully understand it would make no sense to me to sit in some sort of board and apply our own values to the Korean scene. Let them do what they're good at and let us enjoy it by sending players there to participate.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 19:18:11
November 16 2010 19:15 GMT
#125
On November 17 2010 01:34 MaD.pYrO wrote:
Wait... No Liquid involvement?

as for all saying this, didnt liquid players play in the other team league ther was before?

Dont see why they wouldnt go under the oGs like last time.


okay, just read naz' post above me so edited a part out
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TheRecliner
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden103 Posts
November 16 2010 19:16 GMT
#126
Thank you for sharing the Team Liquid stance.

I guess were all just hoping it will be a good thing.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 19:17:00
November 16 2010 19:16 GMT
#127
@Liquid`Nazgul thanks for your input, that was very insightful.
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beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
November 16 2010 19:25 GMT
#128
On November 17 2010 04:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't think teams that don't speak Korean should be in this. It is an impossible hassle to an organization not to be able to communicate with everyone directly. We don't understand the scene as well as the Koreans if we understand it at all. We may have a better understanding of how Korea works than the next foreigner but it is nothing compared to Koreans who have lived in this scene for so long. Not being able to speak the language can greatly hurt the effectiveness of an organization. Either you would slow everything down, possibly causing confusion and misunderstanding over translations, or you would end up being excluded.

I don't really have much of an opinion about this organization I'd say we just have to see how things go before making any judgments. If it's bad I'd be happy Liquid isn't part of it because we wouldn't have been able to stop anything and we do our own thing anyway, and if it's good we aren't really needed. I'm perfectly fine with the influence and expertise we have in the foreign scene. Korea is another world another culture that we can't fully understand it would make no sense to me to sit in some sort of board and apply our own values to the Korean scene. Let them do what they're good at and let us enjoy it by sending players there to participate.

What about Liquid players playing games outside of GSL? If there is any SC2 Proleague will we see Liquid players participating, even as just a division of oGs?
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 16 2010 19:32 GMT
#129
On November 17 2010 04:25 beetlelisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 04:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't think teams that don't speak Korean should be in this. It is an impossible hassle to an organization not to be able to communicate with everyone directly. We don't understand the scene as well as the Koreans if we understand it at all. We may have a better understanding of how Korea works than the next foreigner but it is nothing compared to Koreans who have lived in this scene for so long. Not being able to speak the language can greatly hurt the effectiveness of an organization. Either you would slow everything down, possibly causing confusion and misunderstanding over translations, or you would end up being excluded.

I don't really have much of an opinion about this organization I'd say we just have to see how things go before making any judgments. If it's bad I'd be happy Liquid isn't part of it because we wouldn't have been able to stop anything and we do our own thing anyway, and if it's good we aren't really needed. I'm perfectly fine with the influence and expertise we have in the foreign scene. Korea is another world another culture that we can't fully understand it would make no sense to me to sit in some sort of board and apply our own values to the Korean scene. Let them do what they're good at and let us enjoy it by sending players there to participate.

What about Liquid players playing games outside of GSL? If there is any SC2 Proleague will we see Liquid players participating, even as just a division of oGs?

Lets worry about that bridge when we cross it. After all, there would need to be a sc2 proleague first.
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Am3692
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States26 Posts
November 16 2010 19:33 GMT
#130
Is the SlayerS clan going to be represented? The Emperor should have a spot in these talks, considering his experience in BW.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
November 16 2010 19:39 GMT
#131
We need to stop worrying about foreign teams getting into this and start figuring out how we can make an "association" like this happen in the US.
tensionz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States130 Posts
November 16 2010 19:47 GMT
#132
Gotta love SC2 professionalism, it's ever growing funnnn!
Selith
Profile Joined September 2010
United States238 Posts
November 16 2010 20:02 GMT
#133
On November 17 2010 04:33 Am3692 wrote:
Is the SlayerS clan going to be represented? The Emperor should have a spot in these talks, considering his experience in BW.


Probably, once they work out few more details that needs to be dealt with. Namely, a representative coach or a manager. BoxeR can't be since he's an active player who can't spend a lot of time to deal with the business side of things.

I also would not be surprised if BoxeR gets to be voted in as the first players representative. Didn't he try to make a players union back when he played BW? I am not 100% sure on that, since I only remember hearing that he tried, but KeSPA said "lolno". If it is true, then he'd make a good fit.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 20:12:32
November 16 2010 20:12 GMT
#134
On November 17 2010 04:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 04:25 beetlelisk wrote:
On November 17 2010 04:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't think teams that don't speak Korean should be in this. It is an impossible hassle to an organization not to be able to communicate with everyone directly. We don't understand the scene as well as the Koreans if we understand it at all. We may have a better understanding of how Korea works than the next foreigner but it is nothing compared to Koreans who have lived in this scene for so long. Not being able to speak the language can greatly hurt the effectiveness of an organization. Either you would slow everything down, possibly causing confusion and misunderstanding over translations, or you would end up being excluded.

I don't really have much of an opinion about this organization I'd say we just have to see how things go before making any judgments. If it's bad I'd be happy Liquid isn't part of it because we wouldn't have been able to stop anything and we do our own thing anyway, and if it's good we aren't really needed. I'm perfectly fine with the influence and expertise we have in the foreign scene. Korea is another world another culture that we can't fully understand it would make no sense to me to sit in some sort of board and apply our own values to the Korean scene. Let them do what they're good at and let us enjoy it by sending players there to participate.

What about Liquid players playing games outside of GSL? If there is any SC2 Proleague will we see Liquid players participating, even as just a division of oGs?

Lets worry about that bridge when we cross it. After all, there would need to be a sc2 proleague first.

What other primary focus would it have other than running PL? OP also says:
StarCraft 2 association aims to be an official association approved by Blizzard, and it will deal with the following: Protection of rights for the gamers and teams, operations of StarCraft 2 team's business-league sponsor, arbitrator for when there is an issue between a gamer and a team, and furthering the popularity of StarCraft 2 leagues that are linked with Blizzard-GomTV (editor's note: this most likely means, leagues that opened legit with permission from them).

What else can it be? GSL?


On November 17 2010 04:39 n0xi3 wrote:
We need to stop worrying about foreign teams getting into this and start figuring out how we can make an "association" like this happen in the US.

Isn't MLG good enough already?
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rocky13
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada70 Posts
November 16 2010 20:15 GMT
#135
On November 16 2010 17:45 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 17:40 PackofHighly wrote:
I don't know about calling it "KeSPA 2". On the surface, this sounds very different.


Huh? It sounds identical -- except for one key thing -- that it's the coaches/players directly involved, rather than corporations like KeSPA. It's off too a good start but it's really KeSPA 2.0


I think that is a such an important difference though!!! KeSPA held all the cards and was able to oppress progamers, especially the B-team guys who basically made no money. I think unionizing the players is great idea and will ultimately help e-sports alot!
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nimbus99
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada194 Posts
November 16 2010 20:29 GMT
#136
what about team liquid?!?!?
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
November 16 2010 20:29 GMT
#137
On November 17 2010 05:15 rocky13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 17:45 Milkis wrote:
On November 16 2010 17:40 PackofHighly wrote:
I don't know about calling it "KeSPA 2". On the surface, this sounds very different.


Huh? It sounds identical -- except for one key thing -- that it's the coaches/players directly involved, rather than corporations like KeSPA. It's off too a good start but it's really KeSPA 2.0


I think that is a such an important difference though!!! KeSPA held all the cards and was able to oppress progamers, especially the B-team guys who basically made no money. I think unionizing the players is great idea and will ultimately help e-sports alot!


Are you deluded? Where is the money going to suddenly appear from to give B-teamers a salary now? If anything there just won't even be any B-teamers anymore.
rocky13
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada70 Posts
November 16 2010 20:37 GMT
#138
On November 17 2010 04:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't think teams that don't speak Korean should be in this. It is an impossible hassle to an organization not to be able to communicate with everyone directly. We don't understand the scene as well as the Koreans if we understand it at all. We may have a better understanding of how Korea works than the next foreigner but it is nothing compared to Koreans who have lived in this scene for so long. Not being able to speak the language can greatly hurt the effectiveness of an organization. Either you would slow everything down, possibly causing confusion and misunderstanding over translations, or you would end up being excluded.

I don't really have much of an opinion about this organization I'd say we just have to see how things go before making any judgments. If it's bad I'd be happy Liquid isn't part of it because we wouldn't have been able to stop anything and we do our own thing anyway, and if it's good we aren't really needed. I'm perfectly fine with the influence and expertise we have in the foreign scene. Korea is another world another culture that we can't fully understand it would make no sense to me to sit in some sort of board and apply our own values to the Korean scene. Let them do what they're good at and let us enjoy it by sending players there to participate.


I definitely agree that having an english speaking person in this organization could slow things down. HOWEVER, with that said that does not mean that players who are not associated with these teams should not be represented. I think that it is only fair that if you are participating in any pro-starcraft matches that this organization would oversee or interact with, then those progamers should have someone who is representing their interests (i.e. All players who play hockey in the NHL are represented in the NHLPA). So I agree that Liquid having a person involved in discussions might not be practical but perhaps they should delegate someone to represent their interests like the oGs person for example.
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rocky13
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada70 Posts
November 16 2010 20:42 GMT
#139
On November 17 2010 05:29 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 05:15 rocky13 wrote:
On November 16 2010 17:45 Milkis wrote:
On November 16 2010 17:40 PackofHighly wrote:
I don't know about calling it "KeSPA 2". On the surface, this sounds very different.


Huh? It sounds identical -- except for one key thing -- that it's the coaches/players directly involved, rather than corporations like KeSPA. It's off too a good start but it's really KeSPA 2.0


I think that is a such an important difference though!!! KeSPA held all the cards and was able to oppress progamers, especially the B-team guys who basically made no money. I think unionizing the players is great idea and will ultimately help e-sports alot!


Are you deluded? Where is the money going to suddenly appear from to give B-teamers a salary now? If anything there just won't even be any B-teamers anymore.


I never said B-teamers have to get paid or that magic money would appear to give them a salary ... I just said player involvement is important specifically so that players have a voice and can protect their interests. Am I wrong about that?
Horses+iNcontrol=hilarious
Golden Ghost
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands1041 Posts
November 16 2010 20:54 GMT
#140
I agree that it would be good to have somebody on the board from the foreign perspective. But I think it shouldn't be solely from TL. I think it would be best if the foreign teams who have people playing in Korea would get together and see if they can get somebody on the board to speak for all of them. But as Nazgul says it should be somebody who fully understands the culture and the workings of the scene in Korea.

TL on itself might not be big enough but together with for example EG I think they could potentially be.
Seeing how there is more and more talk of setting up an EG house in Korea.

And if in the team league TL isn't allowed to participate together with oGs and the EG house does really happen perhaps both of them could band together for the team league and play as 1 team.

And no matter what please please please keep the sponsors out of this.
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