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This is bad for TL since theyre going with a "we pick these teams to run the show" angle.
TL is not one of those teams. You can argue that oGs cover them, but they wont prioritize some other minor team that are just their practice partners and help pay the house rent. One day oGs will have grown bigger and they will need the space occupied by TL.
And on that day TL will be kicked out of the oGs house, and TL will have no representation in Kespa 2.0.
If this new organisation form a team league, its also possible that TL will not be able to partake as a joint venture with oGs since they are technically 2 different teams. So either theyd have to merge for real or completely split. Leagues have rules and normally a player playing for your team actually has to be ON the team.
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not if the foreigner scene grow big enough to keep up with the Korean scene.
If that happens and considering the hold and influence TL has over the foreign SC scene, it will be dumb not to get TL on board. After all TL is not just a team like oGs but also a huge community. It is like oGs + PlayXP combined.
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On November 17 2010 02:27 dtz wrote:
not if the foreigner scene grow big enough to keep up with the Korean scene.
If that happens and considering the hold and influence TL has over the foreign SC scene, it will be dumb not to get TL on board. After all TL is not just a team like oGs but also a huge community. It is like oGs + PlayXP combined.
For this argument to hold water the foreign scene has to bring in money to the korean scene, for example big season ticket sales and foreign sponsors.
Sony Ericsson sponsoring GSL is important, but i dont know about season ticket sales.
An actual functioning foreign team representing would also help.
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I have confidence TL will be involved somewhat as long as they have members in Korea. Maybe Nazgul can let us know if it'll just be by an oGs ally or what, but really for TL to be directly involved (as in have someone part of the association itself) they'd need to have someone live in Korea permanently (and probably speak Korean) so they can meet with the association on a general basis. Let's not forget Liquid is still a foreigner team, not a Korean team. Liquid as of now only has 4 members in Korea, and that's hardly enough to participate in team events by themselves. They have, however, been participating with oGs.
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On November 17 2010 02:35 xBillehx wrote:
They have, however, been participating with oGs.
Do you think this would be allowed in a pro league?
Im curious about this.
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hopefully they will avoid past mistakes
is this the start of sc2 proleague? if so, I wonder if Liquid will get in on it
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I don't really want to participate in this discussion but if KeSPA wasn't so stubborn we wouldn't even have the need for this kespa 2. Very unfortunate.
KeSPA just missed something huge, just because they are abunch of thickheaded.
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On November 17 2010 02:36 TheRecliner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 02:35 xBillehx wrote:
They have, however, been participating with oGs. Do you think this would be allowed in a pro league? Im curious about this.
Do you think it wouldn't? oGs-TL has been allowed to co-exist in the GomTV Team Invitational and other events so far. GomTV is still going to be part of this association, and if the other teams don't mind (why would they?) then why not? We're not lookin at KeSPA here. :X
But again, Team Liquid isn't a fully functional team in Korea. They're international, and not everyone is there in Korea. If TL ever got a house in Korea, has enough members there in Korea and could run as a functional team in Korea I'm pretty sure they'd have a role in it. I suppose we'd have to hear from Nazgul for more information. I'd like for Liquid members to participate as well. 
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when I read the thread title i thought " fuck pls not another kespa" ...
but this organisation seems quite legit
lets see how it comes to use when a player has difficultys with his team or so
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On November 17 2010 02:53 xBillehx wrote:
Do you think it wouldn't? oGs-TL has been allowed to co-exist in the GomTV Team Invitational and other events so far. GomTV is still going to be part of this association, and if the other teams don't mind (why would they?) then why not? We're not lookin at KeSPA here.
Thats a different deal tho. They had a span of time with no SC2 content and threw something on air. An official league with longevity has a strict basic rule set which may prevent the oGs-TL constellation.
From a sponsor viewpoint its also weird. Lets say its a league game and on a normal day 4 out of 5 oGs-TL players are from the oGs camp. So oGs is obviously carrying the team, but then you have that 5th guy from TL, and he has The Little App Factory on his shirt and not the oGs sponsors. Point being, oGs sponsors may not like this.
I dunno. Maybe Im just paranoid about anything from Korea with the word "association" in it.
Edit:
Regarding other teams opinions on this, they may not approve of it since its very close to having "feeder teams".
Edit 2:
Tbh Im just throwing negative speculation at this topic and Im not a fan of that. Lets just see what happens.
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On November 17 2010 01:30 andrewlt wrote:
Hopefully, this will end up being a Proleague of some sort. Proleague is my favorite league in BW . It's the league that gives a certain stability to the scene as players who are eliminated early in the starleagues still get a chance to play and either rack up experience or play themselves out of a slump.
you know Proleague is IP of Kespa ^^
also
Novac
As for shutting down BNet for SC:BW. No they have not done so and again I don't believe they will.
The very first bnet service is down (orginal Diablo 1 B.net), next in line is Sc:bw
So telling that blizzard will never do is wishful thinking
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You have a very good point, and I suppose all we can do is ask Nazgul (I sent him a quick PM) what our boys in blue will be doing. If oGs gets a big corporate sponsor it might not want TL represented. TL alone however, still only has 4 members there at the moment, and I dunno how any team league will deal with that. Perhaps they'll be able to participate and rotate used players after going through the roster once, perhaps not. One thing's for sure though, theres no reason to believe this association won't listen to these concerns and address them. TL.net is a very influential community, especially considering we're all potential viewers.
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On November 17 2010 03:08 Frankon wrote:
The very first bnet service is down (orginal Diablo 1 B.net), next in line is Sc:bw
So telling that blizzard will never do is wishful thinking
AFAIK D1 battle.net is still alive, but you need to manually patch from Blizzard for it to work.
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omg the proleague for sc2 
edit: i really hope they add teamliquid.
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On November 17 2010 03:08 Frankon wrote:
The very first bnet service is down (orginal Diablo 1 B.net), next in line is Sc:bw
So telling that blizzard will never do is wishful thinking
Let me know if you know of another major game company that would support their old games for more than 10 years. B.net servers cost $ to keep up after all, and I doubt Blizzard sees any real sum of $ for keeping up classic B.net servers for SC:BW, Diablo 2, and WC2:B.net edition.
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What they really need (or will eventually) is a player's union. Ultimately, GeSPA will represent the interests of the teams and their cooperate sponsors rather than the interests of the players. In the US, professional sports leagues have associations headed by the teams that form one power block and unions of the players that form another. One thing you'll notice is that leagues with weaker player unions (particularly the NFL) tend to do less to keep their players safe and guarantee their players income. MLB has an extremely strong (some might say too strong) player's union, and they have guaranteed contracts. The NFL has a weak union, and as such, you get broke former football players who have severe mental impairments due to repeated concussions suffered from playing the sport. These player get no support from the league, like covering medical expenses or whatnot.
If we want to support gamers, there needs to be something out there to represent the players' interests. As such, a player's union will hopefully be formed as eSports continues to grow.
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hopefully EG and TL can become part of this (not just a part of ogs)
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Let's hope that their actions remain fan and player driven.
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They should not call it KeSPA 2 but this is glorious announcement indeed ^__^
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On November 17 2010 03:38 JoeCrow wrote:
Liquid not represented?
According to the article the association will have (at least) these elements and representatives:
StarCraft 2 game team association, players association, and an advisory board.
No TL representatives. All representatives will be from the seven teams in the article, plus some "random" people such as a GOMTV employee and an e-sports editor.
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