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On November 17 2010 10:30 Grettin wrote:waiting for legal actions or death threats by kespa. thanks for the translation, well see how this turns out. 
Lol
Anyway I think since neither Liquid or EG has enough players to really compete in this, but all the players seem to know each other kinda well it will be a cool idea to have the 2 teams compete together vs top teams. Who wouldn't want to see a Lineup of TLO, IdrA, Huk, Ret, Incontrol.
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sounds like a union of some sort
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On November 17 2010 01:14 Shrewmy wrote:Show nested quote +Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time. That really doesn't make any sense. You argue that Blizzard will destroy Esports when the one thing they want is more people to play their games, which is how it was with Brood War and it's how it is with SC2. Just because they ask for more control over the game they actually worked on is not an instant correlation to "Herp, they want to destroy E-sports guys!"
I really don't know how I could have made it any clearer that I don't think that it is Blizzards intention to destroy eSports but that under the current circumstances, they could.
Please read the whole thing next time or don't comment at all.
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^Torch is still in Korea? Cool!
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People look so incredibly bored :D.
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Torch seems to be really concentrating on the behind the scenes of Progaming. Him being there and his recent recruitment into STARTALE gives him, a foreigner, access to the new association's insides.
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I don't like the whole Blizzard suing MBC & OGN thing, and still I look into Blizzard/Gom handling this issue with suspicion.
However in my point of view, this new association will mean a good thing for the community. Since it's giving a competition for KeSPA, way indirectly perhaps, but I still believe it's a good sign for the community.
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you know this is all good, but i really think that even though foreigners don't really compare to the koreans except for the few exceptionally good players, it would have been cool to see TL or even EG on that list, even though the chances of getting rocked were great, there are always teams in professional sports that always get destroyed, but i think if TL was there too, it would help NA and EU eSPORTS advancement and help our foreigner pros becoming even better. If only we got the chance to do that.
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I hope blizzard "approves" of this! its kind of funny thinking of something such as a "players union" i guess with all things you have to fight for it before you can legitimize it. pro gamers fighting! ^^
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On November 16 2010 17:30 Gonodactylus wrote:
Ooh wow Blizzard is going to love that.
Remember, Blizzard hates Kespa for different reasons people here do. Blizzard would hate kespa just as much if they were total saints. Interests just collide.
Blizzard will try to stop this before they get too powerful. Can't have something not under their control and this is exactly that.
I doubt Blizzard will impede this organization. Blizzard is kindof like the USA, as long as you trade with them under thier terms and you're not Comunist, they're willing to let you rape and pillage pretty much whoever you want. Blizzard doesn't care about controlling e-sports, they just care about profitting off of e-sports broadcasting (and why shouldn't they, it's thier IP that is being sold)
They want a kind of Queen of England stance. They don't want to have to do anything, but if they want to do something they want to have the power to make people listen.
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On November 16 2010 23:41 Novac wrote:
Hmm... I can't help but feel that having the game manufacturer controlling so much of the eSports scene pertaining to their games is dangerous.
This is not about SC:BW but merely the fact that Blizzard wants a "With permission from Blizzard" clause in everything. Meaning that if they felt like it, all eSports based on their games could be shut down over night. They could simply refuse to give permission or renew broadcasting rights to any of their games and everyone will be forced on to their next game.
It is scary that this is setting precedent for the relation between a game manufacturer and eSports.
Where is the protection for all the people dedicating their life to eSports if Blizzard felt like forcing everyone to play Starcraft 3? Or 4?
At some point some legal protection against the possibility of a game manufacturer pulling the plug will have to be created. Otherwise we might as well not even try getting eSports properly off the ground.
Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time.
Blizzard is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE company to push the popularity of e-sports forward. The only thing they do well is make games. Blizzard has always held a draconian policy regarding thier IPs, and they won't let e-sports involving thier games move forward unless they get a cut.
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On November 20 2010 04:35 SwiftSpear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 23:41 Novac wrote:
Hmm... I can't help but feel that having the game manufacturer controlling so much of the eSports scene pertaining to their games is dangerous.
This is not about SC:BW but merely the fact that Blizzard wants a "With permission from Blizzard" clause in everything. Meaning that if they felt like it, all eSports based on their games could be shut down over night. They could simply refuse to give permission or renew broadcasting rights to any of their games and everyone will be forced on to their next game.
It is scary that this is setting precedent for the relation between a game manufacturer and eSports.
Where is the protection for all the people dedicating their life to eSports if Blizzard felt like forcing everyone to play Starcraft 3? Or 4?
At some point some legal protection against the possibility of a game manufacturer pulling the plug will have to be created. Otherwise we might as well not even try getting eSports properly off the ground.
Some will probably argue: "It's Blizzard's game. They can do what they want, when they want. Deal with it." Well as I said above. If this is the case then we might as well just scrap the dream of eSports becoming a popular and widely accepted pass time. Blizzard is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE company to push the popularity of e-sports forward. The only thing they do well is make games. Blizzard has always held a draconian policy regarding thier IPs, and they won't let e-sports involving thier games move forward unless they get a cut.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Blizzard never wanted to make money from brood war esports - they charged GomTV ONE DOLLAR for broadcasting rights, and was going to donate ALL THE FEES from OSL/MSL to charity.
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This is needed. Problems, and conflicts will accure in time.
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Well I don't know if this should be put in a new thread or not but...
The Starcraft 2 council has it's own website now here: http://s2con.com
And it seems like a lot of the pro-players signed up on a pro-only type of forum where they can talk about things amongst themselves.
The "famous e-sports specialized webzine" appears to be Fomos itself.
It seems like all news posts about the council will be on Fomos and duplicated to this website so it'll be easy to track news about it.
That's about all I can really understand since most of it's in Korean, but it might be a website to keep track of in the future as it progresses.
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every comment in this thread is fearmongering or cheering based on what "might happen"
A meteor might crash into earth the day before the first protoss wins the GSL. It doesn't mean that it's going to happen or that it's worth worrying about until we actually see the meteor.
None of you are smart enough to predict what is GOING to happen with this. So instead we should focus our effort on doing what will make this as positive an experience as possible. Everyone who's used the word obviously in this thread isn't worth listening to.
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In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.
What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know. I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.
Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?
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On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming. Show nested quote +What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know. I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream. Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?
Good bump I was wondering this as well. He says they "prefer" that the progamers don't stream. Is their any kind of punishment/garnishment involved if he does want to stream?
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wonder if this will get bumped up
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