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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 26 2009 23:07 GMT
#2441
On May 27 2009 07:56 il0seonpurpose wrote:
But why are they fatigued while Denver is not? I don't get it; all teams play 82 games and the playoff schedules are identical. Is it because the Lakers had to play 7 games against the Rockets?

The only person that should be tired is Kobe but he didn't seem like it; he kept trying to pull a comeback but it wasn't enough. And why didn't coach Jackson put in Kobe and Gasol earlier in the 4th? He put them in with like 6 minutes left.


Go Cavs! I watched some ESPN today and man, Cleveland is just plagued; they treat Lebron like Jesus over there


Lakers: 6 games in the last 12 days
Nuggets: 4 games in the last 12 days

May not seem like a big difference, but it is when you're only getting a day between each game.

Also, Kobe has definitely looked tired. He was barely able to stand after Game 3, and had trouble getting up and down the floor on multiple occasions last night. Watching him closely, you can tell that he isn't playing with nearly the same amount of energy as he was earlier in the playoffs, and it's easy to see why considering how much he's had to carry the Lakers so far. Just because he's saying that he's fine doesn't mean anything, he's not the type to use fatigue or injury as an excuse for losing. It's likely just false bravado, but the bottom line is that his words don't outweigh the reality of how he played.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 26 2009 23:16 GMT
#2442
i actually think the officiating has been pretty fair in the cleveland / orlando series. for all the conspiracy theorists thinking the NBA wants to push lebron finals, the refs almost handed orlando game 2 (orlando was up 1-0 in cleveland, so if the conspiracy was true the refs would be heavily favoring cleveland). late in game 2, the refs called two offensive fouls on lebron and one traveling violation, which allowed orlando to take the lead. lebron had to hit a ridiculous 1 second left 3pointer to win, how can you possibly say the referees were biased for him? the series was 99% over if lebron doesn't hit that miracle shot.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 26 2009 23:21 GMT
#2443
On May 27 2009 08:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
i actually think the officiating has been pretty fair in the cleveland / orlando series. for all the conspiracy theorists thinking the NBA wants to push lebron finals, the refs almost handed orlando game 2 (orlando was up 1-0 in cleveland, so if the conspiracy was true the refs would be heavily favoring cleveland). late in game 2, the refs called two offensive fouls on lebron and one traveling violation, which allowed orlando to take the lead. lebron had to hit a ridiculous 1 second left 3pointer to win, how can you possibly say the referees were biased for him? the series was 99% over if lebron doesn't hit that miracle shot.

how does that mean the officiating has been fair? those were obvious violations, and the refs definitely needed to call them. it's the more subtle ones (like when dwight howard "fouled" lebron james and had to sit on the bench) that are questionable.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 26 2009 23:22 GMT
#2444
i, for one, don't believe in those ridiculous conspiracy theories though.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 26 2009 23:41 GMT
#2445
neither do I... refs make horrible calls, they miss calls, sometimes they call more fouls on one team, etc... but overall things balance out in the long run. refs usually know when they make mistakes so they try to make up for it on the other end. in a 7 game series, it'll eventually even out.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 26 2009 23:44 GMT
#2446
My friend is a Lakers fan and he was so pissed at the refs from last night's game and I tried to tell him how difficult it is to ref a game and he's like whatever; it actually got me pretty mad. Yeah there were some lame fouls called like the ones on Walton and Denver got more free throws but if the Lakers could've made their free throws, (they missed like 11) they had a chance. Even making half of the missed ones would've helped. Go refs! Haha
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 26 2009 23:49 GMT
#2447
On May 27 2009 06:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2009 03:44 Xeris wrote:
On May 27 2009 02:55 XaI)CyRiC wrote:That's a confusing paragraph. First they did not look tired, then they are tired. If you acknowledge that the Lakers are tired, then of course Denver is going to play with more energy since they're obviously not tired. If Lakers are tired, and Denver is not, then of course they're going to get the loose balls and play better as a result.


What I was saying is that sure the Lakers are tired but I wouldn't attribute Denver's hustle to them not being tired and the Lakers being tired. Apathy and fatigue are different... the Lakers could have played with the same energy, but they didn't. Using fatigue as an excuse is bogus IMO... after the game Kobe even said he felt fine, and nobody works harder or plays harder than Kobe in games, so if he's fine everyone else being less tired than him, should also be fine. The loss can't be attributed to fatigue , rather, the laziness of the Laker players. There's really no other excuse when you have 3 people who are ~7 ft tall to be outrebounded by 18 in a game. Bynum had 5 boards, Odom 8 and Gasol just 11... that's absolutely inexcusable.


Okay, that clears up your point a bit. Basically, the Lakers are tired, but it takes more than being tired to be dominated in the hustle parts of the game like the Lakers were last night. I can definitely agree with that.

However, I don't think this was one of those games where the Lakers weren't trying or weren't battling. They may have had some letups here and there, but so did the Nuggets. I think both teams were trying their best, but the Nuggets just played better. They were smarter about attacking the basket, as opposed to settling for jumpers. They were smarter about playing to their strengths/advantages by using Melo, Billups and J.R.'s driving ability to get easy buckets in the paint and force Gasol to contest shots and be out of position to rebound (and, really, if Gasol is out of the picture, the rest of the Lakers have not rebounded very well at all). They shot better from the FT line, to take advantage of their ability to draw fouls. They turned the ball over less. These are all factors that went into the Nuggets winning, but didn't have anything to do with the Lakers not trying or putting forth their best effort.

There's a difference between trying your best and playing your best. In my opinion, the Lakers' loss last night is more attributable to a lack of the latter moreso than the former. I will admit though that your point about the domination in rebounding is a strong one, and is a pointed example of Odom and Bynum's inability and/or unwillingness to box out, play defense, and rebound the ball as they should be. I don't think we can ignore Odom's injury from the HOU series and the lack of time he has had to recover (hasn't missed a single game) or all the games Bynum missed during the regular season and his continuing struggles to get used to wearing a knee brace, but at some point they have to just grit their teeth and do what their team needs them to do.


I really don't think they've been trying their best. The amount of loose balls and rebounds that they let Denver just take doesn't equate to trying your best, and it's not fatigue. They PLAYED BADLY as well, but also they didn't try their hardest.

If they had really tried their hardest I think the game would have been more competitive. It says a lot about the skill of the Lakers though, think about this:

each quarter (except for the 4th) was fairly competitive, the Lakers were outscored by about 3-4 in each of the quarters... that's actually not too bad if you think about it. Sure it added up to ~10 point deficit to start the 4th. considering how badly the Lakers played and how many loose balls and offensive rebounds they gave up, to only get outscore by 3-4 per quarter is sort of encouraging (if you can even say that)... i truly believe that as long as they get even a smidgen more out of the role players and just play defense with a little more intensity, the Lakers should be blowing Denver out of the water.

the Lakers are playing horribly and somehow won 2 games, and barely lost 1, etc. the big problem though is that for whatever reason it doesn't look like any of the role players are going to wake up. luckily they have homecourt advantage. the scary notion is that if Clevland wins, they won't have homecourt, which they desperately need.
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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 27 2009 00:18 GMT
#2448
On May 27 2009 08:49 Xeris wrote:
I really don't think they've been trying their best. The amount of loose balls and rebounds that they let Denver just take doesn't equate to trying your best, and it's not fatigue. They PLAYED BADLY as well, but also they didn't try their hardest.

If they had really tried their hardest I think the game would have been more competitive. It says a lot about the skill of the Lakers though, think about this:

each quarter (except for the 4th) was fairly competitive, the Lakers were outscored by about 3-4 in each of the quarters... that's actually not too bad if you think about it. Sure it added up to ~10 point deficit to start the 4th. considering how badly the Lakers played and how many loose balls and offensive rebounds they gave up, to only get outscore by 3-4 per quarter is sort of encouraging (if you can even say that)... i truly believe that as long as they get even a smidgen more out of the role players and just play defense with a little more intensity, the Lakers should be blowing Denver out of the water.

the Lakers are playing horribly and somehow won 2 games, and barely lost 1, etc. the big problem though is that for whatever reason it doesn't look like any of the role players are going to wake up. luckily they have homecourt advantage. the scary notion is that if Clevland wins, they won't have homecourt, which they desperately need.


Yeah, I guess it's hard to tell for sure whether they're trying their best, but I think we can at least agree that they weren't mailing it in to the degree that we saw in the Houston series, which isn't really something that's worth celebrating since no quality team should ever do that.

It is interesting that Denver was still unable to really break open a big lead throughout the game, despite the Lakers playing horribly and losing the rebound war so badly, but I guess that can be explained to some degree by Melo's struggles. Still, I agree that it's promising that they had a shot to win the game up until the final minutes, despite the fact that the only two players playing reasonably well were Kobe and Gasol.

I think Lakers fans just have to pray that some of the role players step up and start playing something close to how they were playing in the first half of the year. I still think they're a better team overall, but they have to play to their potential to get past a Nuggets team that is playing very well.
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
May 27 2009 01:43 GMT
#2449
im actually pretty surprised the games are played every other day. i duno what year it was (i kinda stop paying attention to detail when the jordan era ended) but when a series would shift destinations they would get 2 days in between. so if they played game 2 on a tue they would play game 3 on a fri.

when did they start implementing this every other day sched??
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
May 27 2009 01:54 GMT
#2450
cavs doing well at the half
How do you mine minerals?
no_comprender
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia91 Posts
May 27 2009 01:56 GMT
#2451
booooobie for 3! x2! too bad he's such a horrible player in every other facet of the game though

really want cavs to take this one, i crave game 7 in both conferences. cavs are definitely looking better today. i like the position they put lebron in the last 4-5 times down the floor, more of that please mike brown
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 27 2009 01:57 GMT
#2452
On May 27 2009 09:18 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2009 08:49 Xeris wrote:
I really don't think they've been trying their best. The amount of loose balls and rebounds that they let Denver just take doesn't equate to trying your best, and it's not fatigue. They PLAYED BADLY as well, but also they didn't try their hardest.

If they had really tried their hardest I think the game would have been more competitive. It says a lot about the skill of the Lakers though, think about this:

each quarter (except for the 4th) was fairly competitive, the Lakers were outscored by about 3-4 in each of the quarters... that's actually not too bad if you think about it. Sure it added up to ~10 point deficit to start the 4th. considering how badly the Lakers played and how many loose balls and offensive rebounds they gave up, to only get outscore by 3-4 per quarter is sort of encouraging (if you can even say that)... i truly believe that as long as they get even a smidgen more out of the role players and just play defense with a little more intensity, the Lakers should be blowing Denver out of the water.

the Lakers are playing horribly and somehow won 2 games, and barely lost 1, etc. the big problem though is that for whatever reason it doesn't look like any of the role players are going to wake up. luckily they have homecourt advantage. the scary notion is that if Clevland wins, they won't have homecourt, which they desperately need.


Yeah, I guess it's hard to tell for sure whether they're trying their best, but I think we can at least agree that they weren't mailing it in to the degree that we saw in the Houston series, which isn't really something that's worth celebrating since no quality team should ever do that.

It is interesting that Denver was still unable to really break open a big lead throughout the game, despite the Lakers playing horribly and losing the rebound war so badly, but I guess that can be explained to some degree by Melo's struggles. Still, I agree that it's promising that they had a shot to win the game up until the final minutes, despite the fact that the only two players playing reasonably well were Kobe and Gasol.

I think Lakers fans just have to pray that some of the role players step up and start playing something close to how they were playing in the first half of the year. I still think they're a better team overall, but they have to play to their potential to get past a Nuggets team that is playing very well.


Ya I agree they're taking this series more seriously than the Houston series but it's definitely far from a top notch effort.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
May 27 2009 02:04 GMT
#2453
If you watched the Nuggets vs Mavericks series, Nuggets looked like they were playing better but stay about even for 3 quarters. Then they would just blow them out somewhere in the 4th
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 27 2009 02:06 GMT
#2454
Hope the Cavs can keep Lewis to a minimal
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 27 2009 02:10 GMT
#2455
...but Rafer suddenly got hot
Woo Jung Ho
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 27 2009 02:16 GMT
#2456
WOWWW Alston
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
May 27 2009 02:23 GMT
#2457
woah
he banked a three O_o
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 27 2009 02:23 GMT
#2458
lol yeah he is hot...
Woo Jung Ho
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
May 27 2009 02:27 GMT
#2459
LOL
another technical for bonehead howard
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
May 27 2009 02:32 GMT
#2460
jesus orlando only scores 3s the whole quarter
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