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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2009 13:16 OneOther wrote: the lakers looked tired to me, to be honest. tough schedule for them The Lakers have no one to blame but themselves for their fatigue. Letting the Rockets extend the series that far with Yao out was inexcusable, and now they're paying the price. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
It's not that they looked tired... I don't really think that is the case. I'm sure they ARE tired... but what happened is that Denver played with a lot more energy. Basically, they cared about winning this game a LOT more. They got every loose ball that was to be had.[/quote[ That's a confusing paragraph. First they did not look tired, then they are tired. If you acknowledge that the Lakers are tired, then of course Denver is going to play with more energy since they're obviously not tired. If Lakers are tired, and Denver is not, then of course they're going to get the loose balls and play better as a result. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2009 13:34 tonight wrote: Honestly, I don't think this Laker's team deserves to go to the finals with the way they've been taking games off during the playoffs. Bring it every night or be ready to watch the game you could be playing from home. To be fair, I don't think the Lakers have taken any game off during this series. Say what you want about their lackluster effort during the first two rounds, but they've fought, and fought hard, in each of the games in this series. They looked "lazy" yesterday, but I think it's obvious that a large part of it was fatigue. Of course you can blame the fatigue on the Lakers not finishing out the Rockets like they should have, but I think their play in this round is more relevant. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2009 14:07 igotmyown wrote:You can't call this JR Smith performance streaky. He did most of his damage dishing it to bigs and getting to the rim. He did well because he changed his game to low risk plays - assists, dunks, shots in the paint, and a small number of open 3's. JR Smith is the VERY streaky. How can you have watched this series thus far and not conclude that for yourself? He has been an absolute non-factor in the last two games, and he did more harm than good in game 3 with his poor shooting. Last night's game was the first one in which he had a significant positive impact in this series. The fact that he did it by playing smart and played up to his potential speaks more to his streakiness than anything because he's capable of playing like he did last night every night but chooses not to for no apparent reason. That pretty much is the definition of a streaky player. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2009 16:29 Roffles wrote: Ughh, Dahntay Jones such a dirty player. To deny that his trip wasn't intentional makes me despise him even more. Any person with a pair of fucking eyes could have seen that it was clearly intentional. Apparently Bennett Salvatore is also a fucking moron with no eyes. That being said, I still hate the Lakers. I just despise dirty plays that could possibly injure a player. Agreed. First he two-hand shoves Kobe in the back with nothing but malicious intent, and last night he intentionally trips Kobe by kicking his ankle. Both times he could have seriously injured Kobe while making absolutely no attempt to play defense, and neither has led to a suspension. The league policies are complete bullshit. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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tiffany
3664 Posts
i've never liked the kings, but nobody with any sense can deny that they were robbed. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36392 Posts
On May 27 2009 03:12 tiffany wrote: officiating has always been terrible, inconsistent, and game-changing. why has the nba not adopted more liberal use of instant replay to double check questionable calls? at least give the coaches an option to challenge every once in awhile. this is why the nfl is a much better spectator sport than the nba. i've never liked the kings, but nobody with any sense can deny that they were robbed. you don't even need to infer they were robbed, they actually were robbed based on what that crooked ref said, the game was fixed | ||
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Eniram
Sudan3166 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On May 27 2009 02:55 XaI)CyRiC wrote: That's a confusing paragraph. First they did not look tired, then they are tired. If you acknowledge that the Lakers are tired, then of course Denver is going to play with more energy since they're obviously not tired. If Lakers are tired, and Denver is not, then of course they're going to get the loose balls and play better as a result. What I was saying is that sure the Lakers are tired but I wouldn't attribute Denver's hustle to them not being tired and the Lakers being tired. Apathy and fatigue are different... the Lakers could have played with the same energy, but they didn't. Using fatigue as an excuse is bogus IMO... after the game Kobe even said he felt fine, and nobody works harder or plays harder than Kobe in games, so if he's fine everyone else being less tired than him, should also be fine. The loss can't be attributed to fatigue , rather, the laziness of the Laker players. There's really no other excuse when you have 3 people who are ~7 ft tall to be outrebounded by 18 in a game. Bynum had 5 boards, Odom 8 and Gasol just 11... that's absolutely inexcusable. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 27 2009 03:44 Xeris wrote: What I was saying is that sure the Lakers are tired but I wouldn't attribute Denver's hustle to them not being tired and the Lakers being tired. Apathy and fatigue are different... the Lakers could have played with the same energy, but they didn't. Using fatigue as an excuse is bogus IMO... after the game Kobe even said he felt fine, and nobody works harder or plays harder than Kobe in games, so if he's fine everyone else being less tired than him, should also be fine. The loss can't be attributed to fatigue , rather, the laziness of the Laker players. There's really no other excuse when you have 3 people who are ~7 ft tall to be outrebounded by 18 in a game. Bynum had 5 boards, Odom 8 and Gasol just 11... that's absolutely inexcusable. Okay, that clears up your point a bit. Basically, the Lakers are tired, but it takes more than being tired to be dominated in the hustle parts of the game like the Lakers were last night. I can definitely agree with that. However, I don't think this was one of those games where the Lakers weren't trying or weren't battling. They may have had some letups here and there, but so did the Nuggets. I think both teams were trying their best, but the Nuggets just played better. They were smarter about attacking the basket, as opposed to settling for jumpers. They were smarter about playing to their strengths/advantages by using Melo, Billups and J.R.'s driving ability to get easy buckets in the paint and force Gasol to contest shots and be out of position to rebound (and, really, if Gasol is out of the picture, the rest of the Lakers have not rebounded very well at all). They shot better from the FT line, to take advantage of their ability to draw fouls. They turned the ball over less. These are all factors that went into the Nuggets winning, but didn't have anything to do with the Lakers not trying or putting forth their best effort. There's a difference between trying your best and playing your best. In my opinion, the Lakers' loss last night is more attributable to a lack of the latter moreso than the former. I will admit though that your point about the domination in rebounding is a strong one, and is a pointed example of Odom and Bynum's inability and/or unwillingness to box out, play defense, and rebound the ball as they should be. I don't think we can ignore Odom's injury from the HOU series and the lack of time he has had to recover (hasn't missed a single game) or all the games Bynum missed during the regular season and his continuing struggles to get used to wearing a knee brace, but at some point they have to just grit their teeth and do what their team needs them to do. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 27 2009 03:07 igotmyown wrote: I'd say streaky is more like a variance in (jump)shot %. Like Ben Gordon and so on. If a player has a lot of mental lapses I don't call them a streaky player. Even if you're talking just about shooting % variance, J.R. is still a strong example of a streaky player. Just look at his game log over the regular season, or even in the playoffs to some extent (his FG% is a bit inflated by NOR and DAL's inability to defend), and you'll see the huge jumps from 20% to 70% to 30% to 50% to 18%, etc. I just don't see how you can even begin to argue that J.R. is not a streaky player. | ||
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
edit: oops nevermind im being retarded | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
What are you talking about? ;o | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On May 27 2009 06:20 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Even if you're talking just about shooting % variance, J.R. is still a strong example of a streaky player. Just look at his game log over the regular season, or even in the playoffs to some extent (his FG% is a bit inflated by NOR and DAL's inability to defend), and you'll see the huge jumps from 20% to 70% to 30% to 50% to 18%, etc. I just don't see how you can even begin to argue that J.R. is not a streaky player. I didn't say he wasn't a streaky player. I said his performance last night wasn't streaky. Hot shooting streaky, playing differently not streaky. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
The only person that should be tired is Kobe but he didn't seem like it; he kept trying to pull a comeback but it wasn't enough. And why didn't coach Jackson put in Kobe and Gasol earlier in the 4th? He put them in with like 6 minutes left. Go Cavs! I watched some ESPN today and man, Cleveland is just plagued; they treat Lebron like Jesus over there | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 27 2009 06:52 igotmyown wrote:I didn't say he wasn't a streaky player. I said his performance last night wasn't streaky. Hot shooting streaky, playing differently not streaky. Inconsistent then? Is there a significant difference? The bottom line is that the guy is unreliable, doesn't always play to his potential, pouts when things don't go his way, and acts like he's the best thing since sliced bread when he suddenly plays like he should have the entire time. | ||
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