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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 23 2009 21:38 GMT
#2261
On May 24 2009 03:30 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2009 22:42 Jibba wrote:
On May 23 2009 16:12 SmoKing2012 wrote:
On May 23 2009 13:22 BalliSLife wrote:yes, pietrus is a lot more athletic as you can see


"oh look I found this picture of Lebron knocking over Pietrus, therefore Pietrus is les athletic than Turkoglu!!111"

great argument..



And no, Pietrus still wouldn't have done shit to contest Lebron's shot. It was a FADE AWAY.


That wasn't a fade away, he jumped straight up.

Pietrus is definitely a great athlete. He's about as athletic as any wing player not including the super freaks.



What do you think Pietrus is going to do there? He kicks out his leg, and Lebron can obviously jump higher than him (and is taller.)
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
May 23 2009 22:00 GMT
#2262
Yeah but neither of those things really prevent good defense on jump shots (rush the shot (eh, not in this case), interefere with vision, interfere with raising the ball prior to the shot, etc). Hedo seemed clearly afraid of fouling him and kind of let him take the shot and hoped the shotclock would do the defense. I think Pietrus probably would have done better, and normally so would Hedo, and in either case the chance of making a 1 sec shot would go way down.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
May 23 2009 22:54 GMT
#2263
On May 24 2009 03:14 choboPEon wrote:
the obsession with new york is that it is the mecca of basketball and the basketball culture here is enormous and the money here is even bigger. the nba hq is in ny. it's new york!


I thought about this, and I bet almost every urban city in the US has a basketball culture. So detroit, yes. Cities in the south, with lots of field space, no. Cities defined by suburbs (boston), no. Off the top of my head, I'd say Detroit, Oakland, and New York have strong basketball cultures.

I've always thought of new york as a baseball town. More people are into basketball, but yankee fans are greater in number and enthusiasm. I just don't see the mecca thing. Can you give me an example of another sport which has a mecca city?

I think LA is a basketball town, although with a lot of hillary clinton-esque fans. I think a draft pick would be enthused about playing for the lakers, regardless of the era. But change it to the clippers, and they would be enthused about playing in the nba.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 23 2009 23:10 GMT
#2264
On May 24 2009 07:54 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 03:14 choboPEon wrote:
the obsession with new york is that it is the mecca of basketball and the basketball culture here is enormous and the money here is even bigger. the nba hq is in ny. it's new york!


I thought about this, and I bet almost every urban city in the US has a basketball culture. So detroit, yes. Cities in the south, with lots of field space, no. Cities defined by suburbs (boston), no. Off the top of my head, I'd say Detroit, Oakland, and New York have strong basketball cultures.

I've always thought of new york as a baseball town. More people are into basketball, but yankee fans are greater in number and enthusiasm. I just don't see the mecca thing. Can you give me an example of another sport which has a mecca city?

I think LA is a basketball town, although with a lot of hillary clinton-esque fans. I think a draft pick would be enthused about playing for the lakers, regardless of the era. But change it to the clippers, and they would be enthused about playing in the nba.



Not true. NYC is just too big and too many people to be "one sport themed". Also depends on where you live in NYC but most people you ask will say it's not easy to identify with either sport that easy. However IF I had to pick I'd call it a basketball city first, baseball second.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
May 23 2009 23:11 GMT
#2265
I don't know why it's called the mecca of basketball. The franchise wasn't greatly successful especially compared to others. Seems like many dislike playing there due to the fans and media. Look at what they did to Isiah Thomas. Thomas = retard and Walsh = genius (for now...)!
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 23 2009 23:12 GMT
#2266
On May 23 2009 21:35 igotmyown wrote:
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On May 23 2009 18:16 oneofthem wrote:
if we are to put any credence into the heart of a champion narrative, now is the time. here lebron can show whether he has the stuff of legends. though the cavs won, they are at a crossroad. they were outplayed for 2 games at home, and had no answers for orlando's attack. their undefeated and smooth run already shattered, not anymore by a fluke win, but by a magics team that has the upper hand and dictated play for 5.5 quarters out of 8. the hype of invincibility that surrounds cleveland is beginning to look obnoxiously manufactured. the only salvageable ground of hope is lebron; not lebron the good basketball player, but lebron the chosen one, the man who can do anything. lebron the good player can lose, lebron the legend cannot, and cleveland has to believe in that legend in order to believe that they can win. they can either fall flat and vindicate the haters, or find some extra energy that they desperately need in orlando. it takes a leader who captures the attention and total trust of the team to make the latter happen.

this is likely the sportswriter's story. whether the cavs really wins because of it is another matter altogether. but it is still a nice story.

that shot, in the long view, is just one play that says nothing about the prospects of the two teams, but the fantasy and legend of the shot is the only hope for cleveland to find themselves again. if cleveland does come out strong and win the series, lebron would not only get all the credit, but also become mystified like jordan was.

this story is too good, it is dangerous. lebron has yet to reach the jordan level of legend that makes him transcend basketball and become "the best" and "the winner." if the ideal story for lebron happens, he might not need new york to make his 1 billion. that is not good at all, not at all. i hope orlando destroys them and close it out in 6. not merely because i want lebron to come to new york, but a lebron win is too simple and buries all the interesting things going on. had the magics won the game, their improvement down the stretch as a team would be more acknowledged, and best of all, they did it against the lolrefs

ps. LOL lecrab got called for a travel.


What is this obsession about New York? They're hardly a dynasty, and were only pretty good with Patrick Ewing. They're not a strong organization, don't have hall of fame coaches, the only incentives are not basketball related.

Also I don't understand how Wilts 50 point 25 rebound season isn't ahead of this legendary season. And Michael Jordan didn't reach the Jordan level of legend until he started railing off championships. Lebron's not at the Tim Duncan level of winning. Right now it's all still potential.



yep. People are making this Lebron deal bigger than it is. Last night a friend tried to compare Lebron's 3 point winner to "The Shot" - you know, Jordan's clutch foul line shot over Ehlo to win the series back in the day. Not even CLOSE to the same level of pressure.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 23 2009 23:16 GMT
#2267
On May 24 2009 08:11 Servolisk wrote:
I don't know why it's called the mecca of basketball. The franchise wasn't greatly successful especially compared to others. Seems like many dislike playing there due to the fans and media. Look at what they did to Isiah Thomas. Thomas = retard and Walsh = genius (for now...)!


Besides the NBA - the New York City High Schools. If anyone went to High School in NYC they can tell you how huge the atmosphere can be. There are so many schools in NYC, and just about everyone had teams. End of year championships = tons of drama depending on if your school was really into it. Then you had lots of NBA futures going into the league, or you knew were going regardless.

Then there's the Rucker Park tournament.

And the McDonald's All Star game hype.

Trust - NYC is just a breeding ground for ballers. Growing up here just about everyone was on the court (well, from my background anyway).
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 23:57:57
May 23 2009 23:55 GMT
#2268
also, it is our duty as new yorkers to claim we are the best at everything pretty much without exception, sometimes regardless of basis in reality..

but i do think we've got quite the basketball tradition
:O
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 24 2009 00:19 GMT
#2269
On May 24 2009 08:55 choboPEon wrote:
also, it is our duty as new yorkers to claim we are the best at everything pretty much without exception, sometimes regardless of basis in reality..

but i do think we've got quite the basketball tradition

There's a few basketball hotbeds across the country, but New York (Harlem) is definitely one of them. Don't count out Flint/Detroit either, though..
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 24 2009 00:42 GMT
#2270
Harlem itself isn't really the biggest basketball hotbed in the city though - it's a tossup between Brooklyn and The Bronx.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 24 2009 01:10 GMT
#2271
alley oop to farmar wtfux
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 24 2009 01:16 GMT
#2272
God fucking smith.
Srsly.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
May 24 2009 01:32 GMT
#2273
New York is the mecca of basketball because of the cultural importance of basketball in the street.

Whether it's the cages at the Lower West Side or Rucker up in Harlem, basketball is everywhere. Schools, streets, gyms...

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Playground-Rick-Telander/dp/0803294271

returns upon momentous occasions.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
May 24 2009 01:34 GMT
#2274
Oh and...

returns upon momentous occasions.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
May 24 2009 02:49 GMT
#2275
On May 24 2009 10:32 HonestTea wrote:
New York is the mecca of basketball because of the cultural importance of basketball in the street.

Whether it's the cages at the Lower West Side or Rucker up in Harlem, basketball is everywhere. Schools, streets, gyms...

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Playground-Rick-Telander/dp/0803294271



I think you might be selling every other inner city area in the nation, though. Gary Payton balling with Jason Kidd in Oakland back in the day, it's not like basketball was just their extra school curricular that none of their friends were into.
Where there's parks, elementary schools, or even pavement, there's basketball courts. I think half the houses on my block have a rim up.
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
May 24 2009 03:03 GMT
#2276
HT is right, NY is just on a different level.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi?country=US&state=NY
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
May 24 2009 03:28 GMT
#2277
yay lakers ^___^
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Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-24 03:29:45
May 24 2009 03:28 GMT
#2278
wow kenyon martin. i thought only high school level made that bad of an inbound passes.

you have to give a lot of credit to lamar odom's pressure though. and ariza's hustle for the steal was icing on the cake

but still. that pass made me facepalm. and i'm a lakers fan
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 24 2009 03:30 GMT
#2279
Wow. Epic fail by the Nuggets tonight. And huge props to the Lakers for playing great, especially Walton and Ariza.
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poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-24 06:37:26
May 24 2009 03:34 GMT
#2280
how the fuck can melo play like a god in the first half and become absolute non-existent in the 2nd half

and denver went for and missed all those 3s while they were ahead, the lakers were shooting like abysmal shit, all denver had to do was to keep scoring 2s and their lead would easily be 20+, such sloppy play

seriously denver blew this one big time
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