EPTNonY leaves eSTRO - Page 9
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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Proposal
United States1310 Posts
he wanted to go to korea for awhile, experience the training regime and bounce before he makes further investments that would possibly hamper his ability/desire to go home. GJ Nony | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:52 motbob wrote: One way ticket to Seoul is $650, for starters. heaven forbid a huge corporation pays a few thousand dollars. do you know how insignificant $650 is for a company of IEG's size? the entire cost of the tournament, flying nony there, housing and feeding him, etc. probably amounts to a fraction of the amount they pay one of their janitors for the estro house. | ||
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betaben
681 Posts
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:18 JIJIyO wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/artosisnonychristmas2008.jpg) That ring on Nony's finger is a mini handcuff is it not? Haha, I kid I kid. Don't hurt me ;_; awwww... such a cuuuute puppy... | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
How random and disappointing, though... Especially after that Courage run. =( | ||
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SaVaGeS
7 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:30 Hot_Bid wrote: heaven forbid a huge corporation pays a few thousand dollars. do you know how insignificant $650 is for a company of IEG's size? the entire cost of the tournament, flying nony there, housing and feeding him, etc. probably amounts to a fraction of the amount they pay one of their janitors for the estro house. this lol. Consider that IEG owns a license to reupload and broadcast MSL and Proleague..... | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:39 Dazed_Spy wrote: what happened to that whole six month thing? he last like one and didn't even make courage wtf gotta be honest, not thinking highly of him atm Edit: read the interview. He probably returned for his girlfriend or some shit, but im sorry- the foreign community pores its hopes into nony, he gets hyped, showed some good skill and the just drops the whole thing. Totally unprofessional. Definitely not a fan anymore/will cheer against him in the future -_- Oh wow, your a douche bag. Its like you think he wronged you somehow, deciding to come home due to personal reasons. Sorry to see you go, Nony, I'm still a big fan  | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:49 Hot_Bid wrote: what resources? does it really cost that much to house and feed another player in their house for a few months? what does that cost? a few hundred dollars? more than a money its a waste of their time | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Draco was a fortunate boy to have rich parents. This unfortunately gave him prince-syndrome and he did not respect the fact that he was the lowest on the totem pole on Sparkys and his inability to adjust to the culture of the new country he was living in caused lots of troubles in the house. Not to mention constantly demanding money even though he couldn't win a courage. Draco tries to blame the Koreans and 'cultural differences' in all his interviews but the reality of the situation is that he was just acting like a little spoiled bitch. Nony on the other hand doesn't have an ego. He came to Korea fully prepared to be treated like a slave. He did have somewhat of a hardtime with the practice hours. One of the nights we went out together Kos and the other coach showed up towards the end and Nony started talking to them about perhaps having less strenuous practice hours than the rest of the team. I understood him as the practice hours that progamers do are just insane and inhumane. But what I explained to Nony is that it's just the reality of the situation. This is korean culture stemming from when they are kids and forced to over-study like crazy. Couple this mindset with the fact that Koreans are very very communal people and care about everyone in the group. There is absolutey _NO_ way that Nony, a new newbie white team practice partner should be getting time off when the stars of the team train just as hard as Nony is expected to and do not act like they deserve days off 'because they are the stars.' He knew all of this before he came to Korea but it's not until you actually experience such hardcore training regimens that it you can actually fathom it. I never experienced it myself because Hexatron was pretty lax (one of Daniel's big mistakes) but I can grasp how hard it is better than the avg. person IMO. I told him he has two choices. "1. Accept that this is the korean way and deal with it and never bring this up again and follow his dreams or 2. Get the fuck out and go back to America." He agreed and the coaches agreed and Nony continued trying for his dream. There is absolutely no way he's just 'pussying out.' He realized what he was going to have to do and intended on doing it. I could tell by his demeanor and conviction afterwards that he was in it and in it till the end for good. He definitely has some damn good reasons for going back that are definitely out of his control. It's probably his girlfriend. You can't really expect a girl to understand the man she loves/is supposed to be marrying being in a foreign country playing a video game instead of being with her can you? I mean fuck it, there's always SC2 anyways. | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
EDIT: Hahaha dammit. It was all heartfelt and nice until you had to ninja-edit this in: It's probably his girlfriend. You can't really expect a girl to understand the man she loves being in a foreign country playing a video game instead of being with her can you? | ||
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1a2a3aGG
United States225 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:49 Hot_Bid wrote: heaven forbid a huge corporation pays a few thousand dollars. do you know how insignificant $650 is for a company of IEG's size? the entire cost of the tournament, flying nony there, housing and feeding him, etc. probably amounts to a fraction of the amount they pay one of their janitors for the estro house. Nony was the janitor....was he not? EDIT: I apologize for my terrible quoting skills... I deleted 1 quote at the end because i wanted to respond to the last shown... my bad!~ | ||
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betaben
681 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:44 Rekrul wrote: This is korean culture stemming from when they are kids and forced to over-study like crazy. in summary of the whole post, do you mean... "unless you're a bit mad or abnormally dedicated compared to your native culture and what you've come to expect as fair, your future is a bit doomed if you're a foreigner in korea" ...? because if that is close, it makes me a bit depressed. there must be better ways of practicing which do not require korean-level commitment; afterall, we compete with them economically and we don't work insane hours. or there must be something said for raw talent. or something... | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
a thought does go out to whether cloud or someone else would have been better positioned for a long run. but nony deserves our gratitude for having the balls to go and give the foreign scene a stir. now idra is nearing his 1 year anniversary of going to korea, and i hope those that have something against him realize he is extremely hardcore to still be there, and a little bit of bm shouldn't be enough to stop anyone from giving him massive credit! thanks for trying nony, and go idra!  | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:39 Ilikestarcraft wrote: more than a money its a waste of their time what waste of time? it seems to me that the coaches don't spend a particularly large amount of time for one on one training for the b-team members. i doubt it took any extra time that they would've spent otherwise. i'm sure plenty of b-team koreans drop out for whatever reasons, the only difference is estro paid for Nony's flight to Korea. an extra plane ticket is literally nothing to a huge company. plus, didn't Nony help Sangho win in proleague? did he not contribute, at least marginally, to practice and the environment of the estro house? to say estro wasted anything besides some trivial monetary amount is overstating it. i doubt they were looking to the spirit winner as some guy who would rise quickly to the A team and help them out in proleague anyway. they were mainly looking for exposure and excitement from the international scene (with perhaps the chance for a good contributing player too), and they got that, so how is it a waste of their time? honestly guys, wouldn't be feeling bad for estro right now, they aren't exactly devastated by this, nor has nony done them wrong somehow. everyone involved knew this was a month-by-month trial deal from the first minute his flight touched down in seoul. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:58 betaben wrote: in summary of the whole post, do you mean... "unless you're a bit mad or abnormally dedicated compared to your native culture and what you've come to expect as fair, your future is a bit doomed if you're a foreigner in korea" ...? because if that is close, it makes me a bit depressed. there must be better ways of practicing which do not require korean-level commitment; afterall, we compete with them economically and we don't work insane hours. or there must be something said for raw talent. or something... The way the game has evolved and the mechanics required to be top-tier yes thats true. On Rekrul's SC2 team that'll be the case too. Korean style FTW. Of course, on team Rekrul days-off won't merely be simple resting day-offs if you know what I mean. Give and take. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:00 Hot_Bid wrote: what waste of time? it seems to me that the coaches don't spend a particularly large amount of time for one on one training for the b-team members. i doubt it took any extra time that they would've spent otherwise. i'm sure plenty of b-team koreans drop out for whatever reasons, the only difference is estro paid for Nony's flight to Korea. an extra plane ticket is literally nothing to a huge company. plus, didn't Nony help Sangho win in proleague? did he not contribute, at least marginally, to practice and the environment of the estro house? to say estro wasted anything besides some trivial monetary amount is overstating it. i doubt they were looking to the spirit winner as some guy who would rise quickly to the A team and help them out in proleague anyway. they were mainly looking for exposure and excitement from the international scene (with perhaps the chance for a good contributing player too), and they got that, so how is it a waste of their time? honestly guys, wouldn't be feeling bad for estro right now, they aren't exactly devastated by this, nor has nony done them wrong somehow. everyone involved knew this was a month-by-month trial deal from the first minute his flight touched down in seoul. yeah i realized that right now ;; | ||
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Dazed.
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