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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
excerpt: Artosis: What about the eSTRO team? Was it just too hard to deal with the Korean way and language barriers? NonY: The eSTRO team was great. The Korean way was definitely difficult but it wasn't too difficult. I was getting better every day. And despite the language barrier, I could still accomplish the two most important things: discussing strategy and making friends. It's because the eSTRO team is full of great guys. | ||
KizZBG
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
 good luck Nony. Sad to see you leave the team but I'm sure you have your own reasons for this decision. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
edit: i for one think that you should have won the next courage before leaving, but that's just my opinion. nony hwaiting! | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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TW WiNNinG 54
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kidd
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Yaqoob
Canada3326 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
No mannered foreigners in the proscene now. I really believed Nony would be the next big thing | ||
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rA.Hippie
Denmark714 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
well, does this mean you can smuggle some pro reps for us? | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
that sucks I understand not wanting to go into details about why he left, I just wish I knew (probably a very good reason that would make me feel less sad) :\ | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
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Tekin
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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petzergling
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nony u were my hero bro | ||
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
good luck in future endeavors nony | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Idra has more stamina than NonY? I did not expect this - guess even more kudos to Idra then? o_O strange tho... | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On February 09 2009 10:45 iNfeRnaL wrote: wait, what? Idra has more stamina than NonY? I did not expect this - guess even more kudos to Idra then? o_O strange tho... Thats because idra is terran........ | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
we just wanna know why, but if it's too personal its okay. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
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Realpenguin
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WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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motbob
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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Malongo
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
I guess things came up and he couldn't stay. Well, best of luck in the future to whatever you decide to do, Nony | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
GL Nony! | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On February 09 2009 10:50 Salv wrote: Yeah, probably had to do with his g/f. That is my guess. Doubt it ive dumped GFs just to watch julyzerg matches. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On February 09 2009 10:57 Kuja900 wrote: Doubt it ive dumped GFs just to watch julyzerg matches. U are a true........+ Show Spoiler + hero | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
Also,  | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
Unlucky NonY Shame you've given up. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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jingXD
United States283 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
Sucks to hear, but GL with all your adventures. | ||
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United States401 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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United States1643 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
when I saw the thread title, I thuoght it meant he was transferred to another team | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
gl Nony... sad to see you pull out so early, but hoping to see you at next WCG  | ||
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
edit: Sucks Nony is leaving korea. =\ | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
But it's understandable, I wish you the best NonY! | ||
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Tadzio
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leMaj24
United States262 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Drium
United States888 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Damnit nony i was cheering for ya...now there's nothing intresting happening until SC2.. :E | ||
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G0dly
United States450 Posts
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
sucks, we all had such high hopes for him | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
NO! I hope this doesn't mean his try at being a progamer is over? Watching the interview now... | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
Lagging like hell for me. | ||
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Astrogation
United States477 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Artosis: So NonY, as the headline says, you have left eSTRO and gone back home. Many people are wondering, why? NonY: I returned home for personal reasons. Artosis: What about the eSTRO team? Was it just too hard to deal with the Korean way and language barriers? NonY: The eSTRO team was great. The Korean way was definitely difficult but it wasn’t too difficult. I was getting better every day. And despite the language barrier, I could still accomplish the two most important things: discussing strategy and making friends. It’s because the eSTRO team is full of great guys. Artosis: How do you feel about your progress while you were in Korea? Are you satisfied with your time there? NonY: I feel like my skill didn’t improve by a huge amount, although it certainly did improve. What’s more important is that I learned how professionals train and that should help me a lot in the future. I’m definitely grateful for that opportunity. I got more out of my time in Korea than I ever imagined so I’m beyond satisfied. Artosis: I know eSTRO has an open invitation to you to return, do you see yourself coming back to Korea any time soon? NonY: Not in the near future. Artosis: So now that you are done with Korea, does that mean you are done with StarCraft? Will we still see you playing in the foreigner scene? Any plans for StarCraft 2? NonY: I’m going to cut back on my practice time a lot, but the plan is to at least maintain my current skill. I’m not ready to give up on eSports yet. I’ll be participating in any SC event I can and I’ll do my best to play SC2 full-time when it comes out. Artosis: Well NonY, I’m sad to see you go, but wish you the best in your new endeavors. Do you have any closing words? NonY: Thank you. I’d like to thank everyone at eSTRO and IEG. I’d especially like to thank all my fans for supporting me. I’m sticking to eSports so look for me in the future! | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Nony seemed so promising... | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
This is so sad. I hope NonY really does continue to keep up on his SC skill. | ||
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Antifate
United States415 Posts
"Not in the near future." | ||
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leMaj24
United States262 Posts
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BrutalMenace
United States1237 Posts
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LeperKahn
Romania1839 Posts
From a non-so-crazy standpoint: Well, I don't know the reasons but doing what is best for you is the way to go. Thanks for giving it a shot! | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:19 BrutalMenace wrote: Rekrul must be somewhere itching to bash on how bad Nony is. We want the truth dan! wait for it... | ||
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motbob
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
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Jusciax
Lithuania588 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
i hope to see nony play some more sc in the future thou | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Everyone won from the deal. He had a great experience and got to fulfill a dream; whilst Estro had a novelty player and a lot of hype/attention on them But in the long run he's probably never going to do anything great and I bet gaming nonstop gets very boring after a while. How could you remain that dedicated and focused when you have a decent life waiting for you back home? It makes total sense tbh. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Good luck and all the best with the choice you've made, man. | ||
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Red.Cloud
Canada235 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Good luck | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:32 Klive5ive wrote: Yep. I'm not suprised, Nony did the right thing for sure. Everyone won from the deal. He had a great experience and got to fulfill a dream; whilst Estro had a novelty player and a lot of hype/attention on them But in the long run he's probably never going to do anything great and I bet gaming nonstop gets very boring after a while. How could you remain that dedicated and focused when you have a decent life waiting for you back home? It makes total sense tbh. While I'm sad and a little surprised at the news. I totally understand. Nony take care man. We'll still be rooting for you in any future esports endeavors u pursue. GG. | ||
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Descent
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
This is sad to hear but i trust nony is making the right choice for himself - glgl! | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
That's still a legit and respectible reason to come back. Sucks for us spectators, but there'll be other foreigners, and Idra still might surprise us. | ||
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Elric
United Kingdom1327 Posts
. Hope everything's alright. I'll be waiting for the Draco-style expose interview a few years from now. | ||
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Ynot_Fighting
United States216 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
well atleast u were there ur story reminds me of  Draco except he lasted a little longer | ||
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:36 UBERtoSS_hV wrote: is scforall.com down?? yeah its weird. the site doesnt work | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
gotta be honest, not thinking highly of him atm Edit: read the interview. He probably returned for his girlfriend or some shit, but im sorry- the foreign community pores its hopes into nony, he gets hyped, showed some good skill and the just drops the whole thing. Totally unprofessional. Definitely not a fan anymore/will cheer against him in the future -_- | ||
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:35 Zzoram wrote: It's probably the gf. She wasn't going to wait a few years for him, and he probably wants her more than to be on the Proleague roster. That's still a legit and respectible reason to come back. Sucks for us spectators, but there'll be other foreigners, and Idra still might surprise us. you guys all dont give idra enough credit. | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:39 spydernoob wrote: you guys all dont give idra enough credit. yah, i really want to see him play. | ||
Heyoka
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
Still sad though Gogo IdrA!!!~ win us an OSL! gosu terran! Edit: and to those of you who criticize him for leaving for a gf.. at least NonY has priorities. | ||
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naonao
United States847 Posts
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
It's always enjoyable to watch you play. Good luck in the future. | ||
ArvickHero
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Funny thing is.. if this was Idra, we'd see a lot more BM posts about this | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
y so strong? | ||
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FXOTheoRy
United States519 Posts
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1a2a3aGG
United States225 Posts
idra is the "great white hope"? GG USA... GL with sc2 | ||
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HiOT
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
he said before when he got 2nd ni his first courage that he wants to bring over his gf to Korea. Maybe its not possible? and wants to go back to the US and be with his gf? I think thats a good reason. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
I hope everything's ok for you Nony and too bad you had to leave >.< Never really was a fan but I thought u'd make it quite far, especially after your first courage.. That made me a believer too T_T; Best of luck ! | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:26 motbob wrote: I don't know why Nony left, but I really really hope it was a better reason than something like "I'm homesick," considering how many resources eSTRO put into him. what resources? does it really cost that much to house and feed another player in their house for a few months? what does that cost? a few hundred dollars? | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:45 Rekrul wrote: Once you break up with her for trying to prevent you from achieving your dreams I will accept you with open arms in the dungeons of Seoul. Once again Rekrul makes all the pieces of the puzzle fall together. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:49 Hot_Bid wrote: what resources? does it really cost that much to house and feed another player in their house for a few months? what does that cost? a few hundred dollars? One way ticket to Seoul is $650, for starters. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:49 Hot_Bid wrote: what resources? does it really cost that much to house and feed another player in their house for a few months? what does that cost? a few hundred dollars? not including the plane ticket, cost for entering tourneys, emotional turmoil of the team who he leaves... although.. they did get a free bathroom cleaner for those few months | ||
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
Go Idra, Terran Fighting! | ||
NeverGG
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
dont know why everyone is so quick to blame the gf | ||
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
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hugitout
United States379 Posts
wow...... just fucking wow | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: it might have been family reasons dont know why everyone is so quick to blame the gf I don't think anyone is "blaming" the gf, everyone who has posted about her has recognized that a gf is a really legitimate reason to leave Korea. I agree. | ||
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United States1951 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:05 Hazz wrote: everyone underestimates idra because his internet tough guy mentality is incredibly tedious dude when that girl chucked the icebucket at tasteless idra got drilled in the face by an ice cube he had a cut and it was bloody we were worried for him ARE YOU OKAY?? I'M FINE LOL IT AINT NO THANG | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
More stories and gossip rek ! And go Idra. Foreigner | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On February 09 2009 10:41 Yaqoob wrote: He pulled a Draco. Umm ... not really because Draco bitched a lot when it was clear he couldn't cut it. I honestly do believe from NoNY's tone of voice that he left for personal reasons. It seemed like he just went there for a fulfilling experience and had a lot of fun. As cheesy as that sounds, in the end, it sounds like he got a lot more accomplished than Draco to me. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:01 jwd241224 wrote: I don't think anyone is "blaming" the gf, everyone who has posted about her has recognized that a gf is a really legitimate reason to leave Korea. I agree. yes, perhaps my word choice was poor. not everyone posting about the gf was polite and positive about it as you say either... but i think speculating on the legitimacy of nony's reasoning is pointless. he made the best decision for himself, which is what ultimately matters. | ||
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JIJIyO
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
GG Foreigners suck. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
I support the decision; you have to draw the line somewhere. Being serious, though, crap. After that great first Courage run, I think we all had high hopes for Nony. Given how fast the other foreigners in Korea have dropped like flies, we really have to give Idra some credit... | ||
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nAi.PrOtOsS
Canada784 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:45 Rekrul wrote: Once you break up with her for trying to prevent you from achieving your dreams I will accept you with open arms in the dungeons of Seoul. | ||
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conCentrate9
United States438 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:45 Rekrul wrote: Once you break up with her for trying to prevent you from achieving your dreams I will accept you with open arms in the dungeons of Seoul. ![[image loading]](http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/RickJSanchez/artosisnonychristmas2008.jpg) That ring on Nony's finger is a mini handcuff is it not? Haha, I kid I kid. Don't hurt me ;_; | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:17 cujo2k wrote: Yeah. I wonder if Cloud would be willing to take the spot? Hmm I feel bad for Cloud and eSTRO now, Cloud would probably still have stayed in korea if he had won.. | ||
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
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lxginverse
Monaco1506 Posts
best of luck nony | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:21 Zeller wrote: Alright just get it over with and send HovZ in his place No way! they should send + Show Spoiler + | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:21 Zeller wrote: Alright just get it over with and send HovZ in his place top 5 non korean tvp baby | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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LuMiX
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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Proposal
United States1310 Posts
he wanted to go to korea for awhile, experience the training regime and bounce before he makes further investments that would possibly hamper his ability/desire to go home. GJ Nony | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:52 motbob wrote: One way ticket to Seoul is $650, for starters. heaven forbid a huge corporation pays a few thousand dollars. do you know how insignificant $650 is for a company of IEG's size? the entire cost of the tournament, flying nony there, housing and feeding him, etc. probably amounts to a fraction of the amount they pay one of their janitors for the estro house. | ||
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betaben
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:18 JIJIyO wrote: That ring on Nony's finger is a mini handcuff is it not? Haha, I kid I kid. Don't hurt me ;_; awwww... such a cuuuute puppy... | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
How random and disappointing, though... Especially after that Courage run. =( | ||
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SaVaGeS
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:30 Hot_Bid wrote: heaven forbid a huge corporation pays a few thousand dollars. do you know how insignificant $650 is for a company of IEG's size? the entire cost of the tournament, flying nony there, housing and feeding him, etc. probably amounts to a fraction of the amount they pay one of their janitors for the estro house. this lol. Consider that IEG owns a license to reupload and broadcast MSL and Proleague..... | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:39 Dazed_Spy wrote: what happened to that whole six month thing? he last like one and didn't even make courage wtf gotta be honest, not thinking highly of him atm Edit: read the interview. He probably returned for his girlfriend or some shit, but im sorry- the foreign community pores its hopes into nony, he gets hyped, showed some good skill and the just drops the whole thing. Totally unprofessional. Definitely not a fan anymore/will cheer against him in the future -_- Oh wow, your a douche bag. Its like you think he wronged you somehow, deciding to come home due to personal reasons. Sorry to see you go, Nony, I'm still a big fan | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:49 Hot_Bid wrote: what resources? does it really cost that much to house and feed another player in their house for a few months? what does that cost? a few hundred dollars? more than a money its a waste of their time | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Draco was a fortunate boy to have rich parents. This unfortunately gave him prince-syndrome and he did not respect the fact that he was the lowest on the totem pole on Sparkys and his inability to adjust to the culture of the new country he was living in caused lots of troubles in the house. Not to mention constantly demanding money even though he couldn't win a courage. Draco tries to blame the Koreans and 'cultural differences' in all his interviews but the reality of the situation is that he was just acting like a little spoiled bitch. Nony on the other hand doesn't have an ego. He came to Korea fully prepared to be treated like a slave. He did have somewhat of a hardtime with the practice hours. One of the nights we went out together Kos and the other coach showed up towards the end and Nony started talking to them about perhaps having less strenuous practice hours than the rest of the team. I understood him as the practice hours that progamers do are just insane and inhumane. But what I explained to Nony is that it's just the reality of the situation. This is korean culture stemming from when they are kids and forced to over-study like crazy. Couple this mindset with the fact that Koreans are very very communal people and care about everyone in the group. There is absolutey _NO_ way that Nony, a new newbie white team practice partner should be getting time off when the stars of the team train just as hard as Nony is expected to and do not act like they deserve days off 'because they are the stars.' He knew all of this before he came to Korea but it's not until you actually experience such hardcore training regimens that it you can actually fathom it. I never experienced it myself because Hexatron was pretty lax (one of Daniel's big mistakes) but I can grasp how hard it is better than the avg. person IMO. I told him he has two choices. "1. Accept that this is the korean way and deal with it and never bring this up again and follow his dreams or 2. Get the fuck out and go back to America." He agreed and the coaches agreed and Nony continued trying for his dream. There is absolutely no way he's just 'pussying out.' He realized what he was going to have to do and intended on doing it. I could tell by his demeanor and conviction afterwards that he was in it and in it till the end for good. He definitely has some damn good reasons for going back that are definitely out of his control. It's probably his girlfriend. You can't really expect a girl to understand the man she loves/is supposed to be marrying being in a foreign country playing a video game instead of being with her can you? I mean fuck it, there's always SC2 anyways. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
EDIT: Hahaha dammit. It was all heartfelt and nice until you had to ninja-edit this in: It's probably his girlfriend. You can't really expect a girl to understand the man she loves being in a foreign country playing a video game instead of being with her can you? | ||
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1a2a3aGG
United States225 Posts
On February 09 2009 11:49 Hot_Bid wrote: heaven forbid a huge corporation pays a few thousand dollars. do you know how insignificant $650 is for a company of IEG's size? the entire cost of the tournament, flying nony there, housing and feeding him, etc. probably amounts to a fraction of the amount they pay one of their janitors for the estro house. Nony was the janitor....was he not? EDIT: I apologize for my terrible quoting skills... I deleted 1 quote at the end because i wanted to respond to the last shown... my bad!~ | ||
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betaben
681 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:44 Rekrul wrote: This is korean culture stemming from when they are kids and forced to over-study like crazy. in summary of the whole post, do you mean... "unless you're a bit mad or abnormally dedicated compared to your native culture and what you've come to expect as fair, your future is a bit doomed if you're a foreigner in korea" ...? because if that is close, it makes me a bit depressed. there must be better ways of practicing which do not require korean-level commitment; afterall, we compete with them economically and we don't work insane hours. or there must be something said for raw talent. or something... | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
a thought does go out to whether cloud or someone else would have been better positioned for a long run. but nony deserves our gratitude for having the balls to go and give the foreign scene a stir. now idra is nearing his 1 year anniversary of going to korea, and i hope those that have something against him realize he is extremely hardcore to still be there, and a little bit of bm shouldn't be enough to stop anyone from giving him massive credit! thanks for trying nony, and go idra! | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:39 Ilikestarcraft wrote: more than a money its a waste of their time what waste of time? it seems to me that the coaches don't spend a particularly large amount of time for one on one training for the b-team members. i doubt it took any extra time that they would've spent otherwise. i'm sure plenty of b-team koreans drop out for whatever reasons, the only difference is estro paid for Nony's flight to Korea. an extra plane ticket is literally nothing to a huge company. plus, didn't Nony help Sangho win in proleague? did he not contribute, at least marginally, to practice and the environment of the estro house? to say estro wasted anything besides some trivial monetary amount is overstating it. i doubt they were looking to the spirit winner as some guy who would rise quickly to the A team and help them out in proleague anyway. they were mainly looking for exposure and excitement from the international scene (with perhaps the chance for a good contributing player too), and they got that, so how is it a waste of their time? honestly guys, wouldn't be feeling bad for estro right now, they aren't exactly devastated by this, nor has nony done them wrong somehow. everyone involved knew this was a month-by-month trial deal from the first minute his flight touched down in seoul. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 12:58 betaben wrote: in summary of the whole post, do you mean... "unless you're a bit mad or abnormally dedicated compared to your native culture and what you've come to expect as fair, your future is a bit doomed if you're a foreigner in korea" ...? because if that is close, it makes me a bit depressed. there must be better ways of practicing which do not require korean-level commitment; afterall, we compete with them economically and we don't work insane hours. or there must be something said for raw talent. or something... The way the game has evolved and the mechanics required to be top-tier yes thats true. On Rekrul's SC2 team that'll be the case too. Korean style FTW. Of course, on team Rekrul days-off won't merely be simple resting day-offs if you know what I mean. Give and take. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:00 Hot_Bid wrote: what waste of time? it seems to me that the coaches don't spend a particularly large amount of time for one on one training for the b-team members. i doubt it took any extra time that they would've spent otherwise. i'm sure plenty of b-team koreans drop out for whatever reasons, the only difference is estro paid for Nony's flight to Korea. an extra plane ticket is literally nothing to a huge company. plus, didn't Nony help Sangho win in proleague? did he not contribute, at least marginally, to practice and the environment of the estro house? to say estro wasted anything besides some trivial monetary amount is overstating it. i doubt they were looking to the spirit winner as some guy who would rise quickly to the A team and help them out in proleague anyway. they were mainly looking for exposure and excitement from the international scene (with perhaps the chance for a good contributing player too), and they got that, so how is it a waste of their time? honestly guys, wouldn't be feeling bad for estro right now, they aren't exactly devastated by this, nor has nony done them wrong somehow. everyone involved knew this was a month-by-month trial deal from the first minute his flight touched down in seoul. yeah i realized that right now ;; | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
The only way you can earn me back as a friend is by winning me more money in SC bet games LOL. | ||
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bludragen88
United States527 Posts
All of that aside, good luck to Nony with what he does... and good luck to Idra... keep representing! | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
like rek said, maybe back in the day you could get away with raw talent, but these days top-notch mechanics seem to be a prime necessity. | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
.... was there not enough pussy for him there? what about all the cheap whores and hanging out with rekrul? | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:12 Rekrul wrote: Actually I take back what I said about the arms wide open thing Nony. Fuck you and anyone that puts their love for a woman above their love for Starcraft. You are a traitor! The only way you can earn me back as a friend is by winning me more money in SC bet games LOL. in a rare moment i am agreeing with rekrul here, if you are really passionate about anything (starcraft or otherwise), you have to make sacrifices to get what you want. i think it's sad for the foreign starcraft community that was supporting nony that it seems his relationship is more important, but if that's the case then that is fine, but it's not a recipe to follow if you want to be successful | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:17 InfeSteD wrote: *waits for NonY to post* .... was there not enough pussy for him there? what about all the cheap whores and hanging out with rekrul? lol... wtf? | ||
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Zortch
Canada635 Posts
He doesn't owe us anything wtf is wrong with some of you guys? I would drop anything for my girl. If that is his reason then I totally understand. But what his reason is doesn't matter. He is living his life the way he wants to and who are any of us to think less of him for that? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:19 benjammin wrote: in a rare moment i am agreeing with rekrul here, if you are really passionate about anything (starcraft or otherwise), you have to make sacrifices to get what you want. i think it's sad for the foreign starcraft community that was supporting nony that it seems his relationship is more important, but if that's the case then that is fine, but it's not a recipe to follow if you want to be successful nony went to korea for an experience and for the opportunity to become a progamer. he got the experience, but for whatever reason (lets assume fiance) he had to come home. if it was a choice between a girl who he obviously loves and a game that's on its way out and a career thats a long, hard road, its an easy choice. it's not like nony is coming back to the states to live in poverty either. how about nony is really passionate about his family, or his fiance, and has to make sacrifices to make himself and them happy, and one of those is pursuing a career as a progamer? life is not a fairy tale, sometimes you need to take a step back and look at the reality of the situation. chasing long shot hopes when a great life is waiting for you somewhere else is not a "recipe for success" in my book. ultimately, its a decision nony should make, and that decision shouldn't be judged by people spouting cliched sayings about chasing your dreams. it's easy to criticize when your life isn't the one affected. korean progamer is hard, difficult life. i'm happy for nony and i'm sure his decision was the right one. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:19 spydernoob wrote: while on the topic of rekruls sc2 team? say someone owned a large company, then decided he want a sc1 proleague team, picked up some good players? would kespa allow his team to compete? i don't see how this would be any different than any of the current proteams, so if the sponsor did all the proper paperwork and applied for the proper licenses why not? | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
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benjammin
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On February 09 2009 13:28 Hot_Bid wrote: nony went to korea for an experience and for the opportunity to become a progamer. he got the experience, but for whatever reason (lets assume fiance) he had to come home. if it was a choice between a girl who he obviously loves and a game that's on its way out and a career thats a long, hard road, its an easy choice. it's not like nony is coming back to the states to live in poverty either. how about nony is really passionate about his family, or his fiance, and has to make sacrifices to make himself and them happy, and one of those is pursuing a career as a progamer? life is not a fairy tale, sometimes you need to take a step back and look at the reality of the situation. chasing long shot hopes when a great life is waiting for you somewhere else is not a "recipe for success" in my book. ultimately, its a decision nony should make, and that decision shouldn't be judged by people spouting cliched sayings about chasing your dreams. it's easy to criticize when your life isn't the one affected. korean progamer is hard, difficult life. i'm happy for nony and i'm sure his decision was the right one. that's all well and fine hot_bid, and i agree if that is more important to him at this moment then that is his choice, but it's pretty hilarious now considering daniel lee didn't like how much older nony was which artosis defended (seems super dan was right), and i'm sure a lot of other younger starcraft players in that tournament are going to feel like as if nony squandered an opportunity they wouldn't have. things being hard is not an excuse. that said, all the best to nony, he seems like a great guy and i wish him nothing but the best | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:17 InfeSteD wrote: *waits for NonY to post* .... was there not enough pussy for him there? what about all the cheap whores and hanging out with rekrul? wtf bro don't slander my name they aren't cheap whores they are expensive as fuck and they are god damned worth it even though they dont even put out they just pour your drinks holy smokes are they hot, nony got to experience that we didnt get to play the touch game though, where you can freely molest them, oh lord what a great game i spent 6k that night on the sc geeks SHOW SOME RESPECT | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:58 Rekrul wrote: wtf bro don't slander my name they aren't cheap whores they are expensive as fuck and they are god damned worth it even though they dont even put out they just pour your drinks holy smokes are they hot, nony got to experience that we didnt get to play the touch game though, where you can freely molest them, oh lord what a great game i spent 6k that night on the sc geeks SHOW SOME RESPECT once again... wtf.. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:12 Rekrul wrote: Actually I take back what I said about the arms wide open thing Nony. Fuck you and anyone that puts their love for a woman above their love for Starcraft. You are a traitor! The only way you can earn me back as a friend is by winning me more money in SC bet games LOL. THIS i said this earlier but this no joke ive dumped a gf just to fucking watch julyzerg play and you were on a proteam . | ||
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United States620 Posts
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DeepGreen
United States175 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:06 Kuja900 wrote: THIS i said this earlier but this no joke ive dumped a gf just to fucking watch julyzerg play and you were on a proteam ....I think your priorities might be slightly mixed up. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:17 DeepGreen wrote: ...I think your priorities might be slightly mixed up.  | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:17 DeepGreen wrote: ...I think your priorities might be slightly mixed up. Agreed. Julyzerg is lame you should have dumped her to watch someone better. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:17 DeepGreen wrote: Girlfriends are temporary. Starcraft is forever. ...I think your priorities might be slightly mixed up. | ||
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On February 09 2009 13:29 Hot_Bid wrote: i don't see how this would be any different than any of the current proteams, so if the sponsor did all the proper paperwork and applied for the proper licenses why not? realistically though it would have to go through the eleven head chairman of the kespa board blah blah blah new teams won't happen until sc2 arrives. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
I hope you had a great time in Korea Nony! I hope your experience taught you many things and that you made friends who will last you a life-time. gl hf | ||
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United States747 Posts
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KOFgokuon
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:01 Rekrul wrote: The way the game has evolved and the mechanics required to be top-tier yes thats true. On Rekrul's SC2 team that'll be the case too. Korean style FTW. Of course, on team Rekrul days-off won't merely be simple resting day-offs if you know what I mean. Give and take. I'll join your team np | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
personally i thought nony looked a lot more promising than idra just from his games in courage.. | ||
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United States9103 Posts
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sonicmerlin
United States2 Posts
I really hope his 'personal reasons' don't amount to a spoiled brat of a gf whining selfishly about how 'difficult' it is for her to do nothing. Nony's really disappointed a lot of people. To just say 'personal reasons' in his interview is rather disrespectful to all his fans. It's the equivalent of Mike Hargrove leaving the Seattle Mariners near the end of the baseball regular season, dooming their chances to reach the playoffs. Even if this is the West and individualism reigns supreme, one should still have a modicum of consideration for those who have vested so much hope into him. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:21 prOxi.Beater wrote: Worst interview ever Lol I gotta agree, I was expecting some answers/more info. | ||
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Cuddly
United States55 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:45 sonicmerlin wrote: His girlfriend? Aren't they supposed to support the guy and his dreams and not suck the life from his soul? Have girls really become that selfish? I really hope his 'personal reasons' don't amount to a spoiled brat of a gf whining selfishly about how 'difficult' it is for her to do nothing. Nony's really disappointed a lot of people. To just say 'personal reasons' in his interview is rather disrespectful to all his fans. It's the equivalent of Mike Hargrove leaving the Seattle Mariners near the end of the baseball regular season, dooming their chances to reach the playoffs. Even if this is the West and individualism reigns supreme, one should still have a modicum of consideration for those who have vested so much hope into him. shut up | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
+1 If you want Nony to dump his girlfriend simply to appease his dozens of fans... well.... that's just selfish. | ||
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Sadist
United States7231 Posts
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:25 Dazed_Spy wrote: Girlfriends are temporary. Starcraft is forever. Seriously... what's the point of a girlfriend if you let them control your life? A good girlfriend is one that understands she isn't always the #1 thing in your life. It's a matter of respect. You don't change anything about you because a girl wants you to change. The only person you change for is yourself. Period. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:00 semioldguy wrote: Seriously... what's the point of a girlfriend if you let them control your life? A good girlfriend is one that understands she isn't always the #1 thing in your life. It's a matter of respect. You don't change anything about you because a girl wants you to change. The only person you change for is yourself. Period. It's not this simple. You don't know what kind of girl she is. Also, seeing as we don't have the full story (I couldn't even pull much out of him) there are probably other factors involved. Possibly strict parents that are brought up in such a way that it's unacceptable in their eyes that he's "abandonded" is gf temprorarily. There could be other factors involved. The GF/family could be broke and needs Nony to work a job to help support the family. Do you idiots think Nony is stupid? I highly doubt he's leaving progaming simply because his girlfriend is crying "TYLER I MISS YOU I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE U NEED TO COME BACK!" Progaming was his dream. Theres obviously a good reason. So, everyone, please shut the fuck up. | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
dude.. god.... shit....damnit.... nony... i hope its not cuz of ur girlfriend T-T | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
I won't judge because I'm sure there is obviously way more to it than Tyler is letting on, but still... bah. | ||
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United States664 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
I just hope that he'll have some stories to tell us one day | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:09 SingletonWilliam wrote: and now cracks a noble heart sick shakespeare reference, well played | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:03 Rekrul wrote: It's not this simple. You don't know what kind of girl she is. Also, seeing as we don't have the full story (I couldn't even pull much out of him) there are probably other factors involved. Possibly strict parents that are brought up in such a way that it's unacceptable in their eyes that he's "abandonded" is gf temprorarily. There could be other factors involved. The GF/family could be broke and needs Nony to work a job to help support the family. Do you idiots think Nony is stupid? I highly doubt he's leaving progaming simply because his girlfriend is crying "TYLER I MISS YOU I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE U NEED TO COME BACK!" Progaming was his dream. Theres obviously a good reason. So, everyone, please shut the fuck up. You took my words out of my mouth +1 | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:11 cujo2k wrote: I admit that I respect IdrA more as time goes by and he is able to continually survive in a foreign country despite his rigorous practice schedule. No doubt he is quite a strong person and you have to respect him for being in korea for about a year now. I just hope that he'll have some stories to tell us one day Do you think IdrA has something better to be doing? LMao | ||
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GTR
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On February 09 2009 15:16 Rekrul wrote: Do you think IdrA has something better to be doing? LMao rek has a point here, idra doesn't really have anything to do in america except college at that polytech place, so if i were him, i'd rather stay in korea doing something i enjoy rather than study. | ||
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LeperKahn
Romania1839 Posts
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
Hopefully he goes back to eSTRO. He didn't even get 1 televised match. =\ | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:18 GTR-2-Go wrote: rek has a point here, idra doesn't really have anything to do in america except college at that polytech place, so if i were him, i'd rather stay in korea doing something i enjoy rather than study. Uh i think he was referring to the lack of female influence........ | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:03 Rekrul wrote: It's not this simple. You don't know what kind of girl she is. Also, seeing as we don't have the full story (I couldn't even pull much out of him) there are probably other factors involved. Possibly strict parents that are brought up in such a way that it's unacceptable in their eyes that he's "abandonded" is gf temprorarily. There could be other factors involved. The GF/family could be broke and needs Nony to work a job to help support the family. Do you idiots think Nony is stupid? I highly doubt he's leaving progaming simply because his girlfriend is crying "TYLER I MISS YOU I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE U NEED TO COME BACK!" Progaming was his dream. Theres obviously a good reason. So, everyone, please shut the fuck up. I wasn't pointing my statement at Nony or anyone for that matter. But people should do what they want to do. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:18 GTR-2-Go wrote: rek has a point here, idra doesn't really have anything to do in america except college at that polytech place, so if i were him, i'd rather stay in korea doing something i enjoy rather than study. I mean atleast in Korea he gets called handsome, cute, etc. on a regular basis. He gets to be on the same team as Savior/Xellos and therefore has power over all the nerdlings and he (thinks) he can talk down to everyone because he's king of the white nerd hill now. He gets kissed by super hot girls who are all over him the moment he proudly admits he is a virgin. He is the indirect surviving victim of a psycho-bitch ice bucket chuck. He sports pimpin' CJ gear around everywhere he goes. He has people that actually motivate him to get a hair cut. He gets good korean food and ramyun whenever he wants. Fuck man, survive? He's livin it up mother fuckers. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:21 semioldguy wrote: I wasn't pointing my statement at Nony or anyone for that matter. But people should do what they want to do. I know I wasn't ranting at you actually I completely agree with your point and I will never be with any girl that doesn't completely act in accordance to what you were saying but not all girls have such personalities. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:23 Rekrul wrote: I mean atleast in Korea he gets called handsome, cute, etc. on a regular basis. He gets to be on the same team as Savior/Xellos and therefore has power over all the nerdlings and he (thinks) he can talk down to everyone because he's king of the white nerd hill now. He gets kissed by super hot girls are all over him the moment he proudly admits he is a virgin. He is the indirect surviving victim of a psycho-bitch ice bucket chuck. He sports pimpin' CJ gear around everywhere he goes. He has people that actually motivate him to get a hair cut. He gets good korean food and ramyun whenever he wants. Fuck man, survive? He's livin it up mother fuckers. aren't you forgetting the "practice 10 hours a day" part? | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:23 Rekrul wrote: I mean atleast in Korea he gets called handsome, cute, etc. on a regular basis. He gets to be on the same team as Savior/Xellos and therefore has power over all the nerdlings and he (thinks) he can talk down to everyone because he's king of the white nerd hill now. He gets kissed by super hot girls who are all over him the moment he proudly admits he is a virgin. He is the indirect surviving victim of a psycho-bitch ice bucket chuck. He sports pimpin' CJ gear around everywhere he goes. He has people that actually motivate him to get a hair cut. He gets good korean food and ramyun whenever he wants. Fuck man, survive? He's livin it up mother fuckers. Sounds like an awesome life | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:23 Rekrul wrote: I mean atleast in Korea he gets called handsome, cute, etc. on a regular basis. He gets to be on the same team as Savior/Xellos and therefore has power over all the nerdlings and he (thinks) he can talk down to everyone because he's king of the white nerd hill now. He gets kissed by super hot girls are all over him the moment he proudly admits he is a virgin. He is the indirect surviving victim of a psycho-bitch ice bucket chuck. He sports pimpin' CJ gear around everywhere he goes. He has people that actually motivate him to get a hair cut. He gets good korean food and ramyun whenever he wants. Fuck man, survive? He's livin it up mother fuckers. Hahahahahaha... the worst part is that's pretty much what I figured before I scrolled down and read your post. Tyler had way too many attachments IMO and was clearly a baller already back home... it's easier for someone to "give everything up" when there is very little to give up. Not knocking on Idra at all, like Rek said he is living it up I'm sure. Really just a shame for us standing on the sidelines (not that I'm bitter about it like a few others in this thread, Nony doesn't 'owe us' a goddamned thing for 'investing' faith in him or some BS. Yes, it's disappointing as hell, but oh well). | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:25 a-game wrote: aren't you forgetting the "practice 10 hours a day" part? Thats what he'd be doing in america too except it'd be on b.net with artosis and friends with probably a lot more porn than he gets a chance to view in the CJ house. Man when I first got to Hexatron my testosterone levels dropped to like 0. No porn no girls no nothing for like two weeks then one day I saw some thread with a bunch of hot girls and was like fuck. Then I start prowling around the house and find a Maxim type magazine. I pick up the magazine and began to walk to the back bathroom. I got in there and the bathtub was still full of dirty water cause it was clogged, there was no toilet paper to accomodate the shit stained pube infested toilet, and the worst part was the horrible shit smell. Then ArtofTerran who was sleeping on the top bunk unknowingly to me right next to that bathroom door wakes up from under the covers scaring the shit out of me. CLOSE THAT FUCKING DOOR DAN. I look around, shake my head at the gravity of my situation, drop the Maxim on the ground, close the bathroom door, and return to my Starcraft practicing life. | ||
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ScoutWBF
Germany603 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:30 EvilTeletubby wrote: Btw 13 pages in 5 hours is pretty sick. Has the reason he left been posted yet? Can't read all this. | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:45 sonicmerlin wrote: His girlfriend? Aren't they supposed to support the guy and his dreams and not suck the life from his soul? Have girls really become that selfish? I really hope his 'personal reasons' don't amount to a spoiled brat of a gf whining selfishly about how 'difficult' it is for her to do nothing. Nony's really disappointed a lot of people. To just say 'personal reasons' in his interview is rather disrespectful to all his fans. It's the equivalent of Mike Hargrove leaving the Seattle Mariners near the end of the baseball regular season, dooming their chances to reach the playoffs. Even if this is the West and individualism reigns supreme, one should still have a modicum of consideration for those who have vested so much hope into him. i think you're the one being selfish here, wanting nony to give up his life to be a b-teamer on estro | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:03 Rekrul wrote: It's not this simple. You don't know what kind of girl she is. Also, seeing as we don't have the full story (I couldn't even pull much out of him) there are probably other factors involved. Possibly strict parents that are brought up in such a way that it's unacceptable in their eyes that he's "abandonded" is gf temprorarily. There could be other factors involved. The GF/family could be broke and needs Nony to work a job to help support the family. Do you idiots think Nony is stupid? I highly doubt he's leaving progaming simply because his girlfriend is crying "TYLER I MISS YOU I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE U NEED TO COME BACK!" Progaming was his dream. Theres obviously a good reason. So, everyone, please shut the fuck up. <3 Sad that Nony leaves but he is smart enought to know what is needed | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:34 fight_or_flight wrote: Has the reason he left been posted yet? Can't read all this. Nope. I honestly don't think you're gonna see it anytime soon either. If Nony had an inclination to share he would have already. ps - make more arbiterrrrrssssssssss | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:43 EvilTeletubby wrote: Nope. I honestly don't think you're gonna see it anytime soon either. If Nony had an inclination to share he would have already. Yea, thats what I thought. | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
About the lucky yank that went away. And though the news was rather sad, Well, i just had to laugh, I saw the photograph. [inserts nony +mop and bucket photo] | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
i hope nony has life experience enough to know that girls should never take full priority | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:53 lazz wrote: if the "personal reasons" are indeed gf-related, RAAAAAAAAGE i hope nony has life experience enough to know that girls should never take full priority Let me guess...you are either a) under the age of 13 b) single c) a and b d) trying to make a lame joke about girls e) a, b, and d | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
cuddly obviously is nonys girlfriend imo if he had a boyfriend instead he wouldnt have to go back gay people have it so much easier these days( seeing how every other bitch whines at everything) | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
this is the worse start of my day in months. thanks Rekrul for teh info, waiting nony to speak up to | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
I was hoping Nony would go far. Oh well. Lord knows he stuck with it longer than I would have. | ||
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Canada2492 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:58 jwd241224 wrote: Let me guess...you are either a) under the age of 13 b) single c) a and b d) trying to make a lame joke about girls e) a, b, and d What. if you think girls are more important than your goals/dreams etc in life then those points you listed most likely apply to yourself | ||
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ProTech_MediC
United States498 Posts
GL NoNy, I look forward to seeing your next chance in SC2. The only good news is that I can take this shitty ESTRO logo off of my signature. | ||
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On February 09 2009 16:08 food wrote: cuddly obviously is nonys girlfriend imo if he had a boyfriend instead he wouldnt have to go back gay people have it so much easier these days( seeing how every other bitch whines at everything) Actually, most the gay people I know IRL are just as whiney/bitchy if not moreso. I'd have to say it gays actually probably put up with MORE drama. Mora is on, if you're reading, correct me if I'm wrong.  | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
best of luck! | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
((((GL HF, whatever you do, NonY. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:21 semioldguy wrote: I wasn't pointing my statement at Nony or anyone for that matter. But people should do what they want to do. That's what he is doing right now....... He is going home as he wants to. And sorry, regarding your statement about GFs.... You still have a lot to learn in your life... | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
I wish him best of luck in the future! | ||
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amanet
Croatia334 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
Does nony have an estro replay pack? | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
I look forward to the next TSL. NonY is gonna own everyone soo hard. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Then I can have greg miss the lan on account he has a religious awakening and has to miss it doing a mission trip in mexico. | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
Do you arrogant pricks actually think you know better than Nony the opportunity he had, how hard it is to get where he was, and what he gave up? it was his fucking dream... he has a damn good reason for leaving, and hopefully he will reveal it later on, and if he doesn't it is still respectable. and to quote Rekrul "I mean fuck it, there's always SC2 anyways." | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On February 09 2009 17:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Then I can have greg miss the lan on account he has a religious awakening and has to miss it doing a mission trip in mexico. this made me rofl loool @ religious awakening | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
nony lives his life for himself, not for you faggots. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore-- And then run? Does it stink like rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over-- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or does it explode? -Langston Hughes | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
On February 09 2009 13:58 Rekrul wrote: wtf bro don't slander my name they aren't cheap whores they are expensive as fuck and they are god damned worth it even though they dont even put out they just pour your drinks holy smokes are they hot, nony got to experience that we didnt get to play the touch game though, where you can freely molest them, oh lord what a great game i spent 6k that night on the sc geeks SHOW SOME RESPECT I didnt mean those type of whores... because I know you ball out of control.. but I meant the actual cheap ones, the ez sex no drama ones... not the ones that would prolly turn a geek down and make em feel even worse LOL I put your name in the same sentence.. but didnt mean Cheap was associated with you... I meant 1) They go and whore for cheap by themselves 2) OR they might get lucky and hang out with the big ballerz and get good shit (aka Rekrul) Is that better? thats what I meant the first time anyways | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
Halo 3 fighting? is that why u came back? lol | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
As for the guys judging him for his decision - do you guys realize that "personal reasons" might even mean a relative death or some other family tragedy that really surpasses his job cause that's what he was doing in Korea besides living a dream? We don't know the whole story, don't say crap like "Nony is selfish bla bla". It's ugly and disrespectful IMO. Just wish him all the best and thank him for entertaining us. | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
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Abydos1
United States832 Posts
NonY leave; especially after that 2nd place at courage. I was looking forward to him winning this time around. | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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dongfeng
731 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
WHAT IF! he hadnt stasis'd all those tanks and waited for a better attack.. he was prolly a couple of mistakes away from bein a LICEnSEND PRO!!!! zomg | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
I don't know what's worse: Having Nony leave, or having to cheer for Idra now | ||
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rkarhu
Finland570 Posts
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
good luck in your other endeavors, Nony | ||
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 09 2009 17:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: even god could not make me go to mexicoThen I can have greg miss the lan on account he has a religious awakening and has to miss it doing a mission trip in mexico. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
gl in whatever he do next | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 09 2009 19:38 HanN00b wrote: thats sad. He was the only foreign hope in Korea. you forgot about white-ra though he doesnt live here, just flies in to win starleagues and stuff. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On February 09 2009 20:12 IdrA wrote: you forgot about white-ra thought he doesnt live here, just flies in to win starleagues and stuff. oh crap | ||
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HiOT
Sweden1000 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
I don't know why people in Korea continue to waste their money and time sending over foriegner prospects if we keep wasting time and money by leaving before any training and fully take place and be cemented in our thoughts. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Nony has a good reason for leaving but I really just am annoyed that people can flip flop on their "dream" so quickly. It bothers me alot because this bodes horribly for all foriegners and I cannot see another foriegner ever getting accepted to a pro team to play starcraft unless they reside in China. I feel that players say ok yeah I am going to have to train hard and it will suck but I can do it, but no one ever can tough it out over there. You have to fully grasp you wont see friends or family for month or maybe years.... your personal life will basically be limited to nothing outside of Korea. I am in no way saying that these are small sacrafices but I am just saying one needs to be aware of these before signing up for such a serious task. It just really bothers me because us "foriegners" are seen as a group and when a few represent us and all do the same actions, it reflects poorly upon us all. I know that it is only one person going over there, you, but what people who go to live in Korea need to realize, their actions reflect upon us all. Nutshell: Sad Nonys promising and illustrius carreer is cut short and wish him the best, but also disappointed that all foriegners will soon be looked upon as quitters. Edit: Also this gives me a ton more appreciation for what Idra has to endure and after I met him at WCG I was a fan but now I wish him nothing but the best and domination in Korea. | ||
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composition
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
and go idra | ||
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
and crazy dedication etc... lol :D | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
ah personal reasons....Hope you go back to Estro | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
Too bad nony had to leave though I hope idra makes it ^^ edit: is it because idra is "bm" in tl.net? :D | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
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Shiva_Chandra
Denmark341 Posts
and you're pretty bad. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
the korean system is overly rigid in that it tries to fit everyone into the one method, but its infinitely better than the laid back approach of foreigners. | ||
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morfyy
Romania593 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
and hes better than any european so suck it~ Btw really sad to hear about Nony, it took balls to go there and give it a shot, nothing but respect for him! | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
think we would have let europeans in media? | ||
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kAra
Germany1375 Posts
On February 09 2009 20:58 Shiva_Chandra wrote: Pretty sure europeans don't like you because you're bm. and you're pretty bad. QFT | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 09 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote: if europeans dont like me because i said ultralisks are too strong they have issues haha everlasting trollery towards europeans I really would like to see you destroying F91 though, that would be cool. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
so sad to see nony leave korea hopefully one day he'll be able to return there and turn pro or something! | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 09 2009 21:10 IdrA wrote: you dont count ret, you and nicky are honorary americans think we would have let europeans in media? I'm European and I don't hate you ! Does that make me at least half american T_T? | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
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hide.X
Australia105 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
<3 | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 09 2009 21:28 hide.X wrote: lol @ europeans asking idra's permission to be american. everyone loves Leg, so we are all australians by heart <3 | ||
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
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The.Crow
619 Posts
NonY keep on fighting! | ||
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
Well good luck in future anyways. I think Korea was a great experience. It's like swimming in a foreign sea and reaching a new beach. (don't know whether you can understand my cloudy words in bad english-_---) | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
I know from personal experience that sometimes decisions looking totally right at the time were wrong in hindsight. He has every right to go back home and hopefully he won't feel any remorse later. Nevertheless, I can imagine some ppl being disappointed because they believed in him, invested in him or couldn't even go to korea themselves because of him. And: it's really a suprise to me as he looked so determined just 2 month ago. GL anyways | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
On February 09 2009 21:57 Tonkerchen wrote: I think Korea was a great experience. It's like swimming in a foreign sea and reaching a new beach. Lol.. best citation ever :D | ||
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Valentir
Norway266 Posts
@ idra - some day someone will bitch slap you for e-peen attitude  | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/xjnews/xingji_36163.html | ||
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lxginverse
Monaco1506 Posts
On February 09 2009 17:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I love tyler but he was getting too good.. I want to win or at least do better at the next wcg usa finals so I need him to take 2 more giant steps back. Then I can have greg miss the lan on account he has a religious awakening and has to miss it doing a mission trip in mexico. ROFL | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
thats all i got to say.. + GL NONy whatever you are going to do + some nerds here need to shut the fuck up.. It's Nonys decision and thats it. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On February 09 2009 22:11 emucxg wrote: made a translation: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/xjnews/xingji_36163.html NonY browsing TL at that pic, hell yeah. | ||
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pindleskin
New Zealand199 Posts
On February 09 2009 21:28 mog87 wrote: Is marijuana hard to obtain in s. korea? That might be the real reason. This is probably the real reason | ||
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
lol @ these tissues in the ashtray ^.^ | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
haha, that's classic definitely a good guy | ||
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BBS
Germany204 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
just seems kind of petty | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
You know nothing about Europe and our culture. Your ancestors came from Europe and keep this in mind when you criticize us Mondragon would easly beat you. Rekrul for the win. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
2) It seems that the opportunity cost of staying in Korea is too high for Nony, and it seems to be much lower for Idra. He now stays a big hope for us in Korea, and observing his attention seeking stupidity on TL is only a small prize to pay to see a foreigner stay in Progaming scene 3) Hope to see you on Poker tables Nony :D | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 09 2009 22:47 Piy wrote: lol...I'm the same age as Idra and I don't know how I'd deal with being by myself in a foreign country with two websites full of people hoping that I fail at life... just seems kind of petty actually its two websites full of people who already know u failed at life, while u desperately try to show and tell everyone the opposite, in effect making the point that u failed at life even more valid. | ||
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Seku
United States313 Posts
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DarkSider
Romania66 Posts
If you want to be a progamer you must realise it takes so much of your time and when you're done with it you'll fail at life, not much brains, not qualified for any job, maybe your only chance it's in esports as presentator or you make enough money to fulfill Best's dream - own a shop :D Long way from a B-team foreigner to spotlight and hell sc will probably die when sc2 is out and you start all over again. It looks much better and easier on TV but if you look at the big picture it's a different story. My only regret is that somebody who could handle all that didn't win the Spirit tournament, feels a bit of a waste to have a winner that won't make it there | ||
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
And sign me up for team Rekrul! Expensive non-whores massaging our arthritic hands. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
This way he probably took the chance from someone who was willing to let everything behind for his dream. Hell, someone who had this dream in the first place. Cus Nony didnt have this dream or at least doesnt have it anymore. U cant have multiple dreams of the same importance, either u dream about becoming a progamer or you dream about a long and happy relationship, it should have been clear and easy to reckon these 2 dreams will interfere and make up your mind about your priority beforehand. If he really left for his gf its pretty weak imo. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:30 Rekrul wrote: Thats what he'd be doing in america too except it'd be on b.net with artosis and friends with probably a lot more porn than he gets a chance to view in the CJ house. Man when I first got to Hexatron my testosterone levels dropped to like 0. No porn no girls no nothing for like two weeks then one day I saw some thread with a bunch of hot girls and was like fuck. Then I start prowling around the house and find a Maxim type magazine. I pick up the magazine and began to walk to the back bathroom. I got in there and the bathtub was still full of dirty water cause it was clogged, there was no toilet paper to accomodate the shit stained pube infested toilet, and the worst part was the horrible shit smell. Then ArtofTerran who was sleeping on the top bunk unknowingly to me right next to that bathroom door wakes up from under the covers scaring the shit out of me. CLOSE THAT FUCKING DOOR DAN. I look around, shake my head at the gravity of my situation, drop the Maxim on the ground, close the bathroom door, and return to my Starcraft practicing life. I LOL'd | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On February 09 2009 23:14 I3oxerfan wrote: stfu Idra. You know nothing about Europe and our culture. Your ancestors came from Europe and keep this in mind when you criticize us Mondragon would easly beat you. Rekrul for the win. lol :/ | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 09 2009 23:14 I3oxerfan wrote: stfu Idra. You know nothing about Europe and our culture. Your ancestors came from Europe and keep this in mind when you criticize us Mondragon would easly beat you. Rekrul for the win. i jokingly mock europeans for being whiney annoying little pussies europeans:"whaaaaaa you bm stupid american you dont understand us" i dunno, sounds like i have a pretty good read on you. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
U S A U S A | ||
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Piste
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
Good luck in the future Nony! | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 09 2009 23:51 IdrA wrote: i jokingly mock europeans for being whiney annoying little pussies europeans:"whaaaaaa you bm stupid american you dont understand us" i dunno, sounds like i have a pretty good read on you. thats some flawed logic man. I do x to y. y reacts to x in a way i predict -> I can predict y. Wtf? Basically your predicting that someone will insult you back if you insult them first. Kudos to you, Mr. Freud. The fact that this obviously is something you find joy/fun/pleasure in speaks volumes about your social competences man.. | ||
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meathook
1289 Posts
On February 09 2009 15:30 Rekrul wrote: Thats what he'd be doing in america too except it'd be on b.net with artosis and friends with probably a lot more porn than he gets a chance to view in the CJ house. Man when I first got to Hexatron my testosterone levels dropped to like 0. No porn no girls no nothing for like two weeks then one day I saw some thread with a bunch of hot girls and was like fuck. Then I start prowling around the house and find a Maxim type magazine. I pick up the magazine and began to walk to the back bathroom. I got in there and the bathtub was still full of dirty water cause it was clogged, there was no toilet paper to accomodate the shit stained pube infested toilet, and the worst part was the horrible shit smell. Then ArtofTerran who was sleeping on the top bunk unknowingly to me right next to that bathroom door wakes up from under the covers scaring the shit out of me. CLOSE THAT FUCKING DOOR DAN. I look around, shake my head at the gravity of my situation, drop the Maxim on the ground, close the bathroom door, and return to my Starcraft practicing life. Paramount Starcraft tragicomedy. You sir, made my day. Solute! | ||
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cRaZypYRo
Germany191 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
"y reacts to x in a way i predicted" so i predicted that y would react to x in a certain way, and y did indeed react that way "i can predict y" if i just predicted that y would react in a certain way, and y did react that way, does that not mean i can predict y? wheres the flaw in my logic? you meant to say that it was meaningless, the logic is sound its just an easy prediction to make. especially given what an irritable group you are. but you missed the whole point. you're whining about me calling you whiny. think about it. | ||
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vAltyR
United States581 Posts
sad to see you leave nony, but you gotta do what you think is right. GL HF | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:04 IdrA wrote: read what you just said please "y reacts to x in a way i predicted" so i predicted that y would react to x in a certain way, and y did indeed react that way "i can predict y" if i just predicted that y would react in a certain way, and y did react that way, does that not mean i can predict y? wheres the flaw in my logic? you meant to say that it was meaningless, the logic is sound its just an easy prediction to make. especially given what an irritable group you are. but you missed the whole point. you're whining about me calling you whiny. think about it. for that we'd have to agree on the definition of "to whine". also you can not predict y. you can predict ys reaction to x, you cant draw any further conclusions on ys characteristics than "y reacts to x by z". I gonna restate what I said. The fact that you even do it leaves serious questions in regards of your personality. Like whats the motivation behind it? Can you name me any motivation that stems from honorable/good/desirable character traits for your behavior? Cus I could name you quite a few that would make sense that stem from childish/unsecure/undesirable character traits. Maybe you, Sir, are the one that should think about it. | ||
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Mardow
Germany6 Posts
I wonder what would happen when all pc's would be broken. A white face called IdrA who would still be a virgin with 80 years would leave his cellar God, I'm happy that I got a real life with real friends etc. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10711 Posts
To bad to many guys don't understand that... | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
You americans came from Europe. And keep this always in mind when you are going to criticize us. You did nothing for the world. All the things in your universities (old books ...) and all the things in your museums come from Europe and you stole it. Where did Homer, Platon and Aristoteles come from? They came from Europe. You were a british colony and you are a british colony. And nothing else. | ||
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omninmo
2349 Posts
Language barriers result in serious depression. I spent a few weeks in France and was really let down at social gatherings when I couldnt talk to anyone for more than three minutes with mybrokenfrench vs yourbrokenenglish. I have lived in china for 4 years but studied chinese before i came and eventually overcame the language gap. this isnt necessarily why nony went home but he seems like a fairly social guy compared to some of the other foreign progamers (hint hint) and I can seem him missing intense conversation and an intellectual stimulating environment. also, korean culture is very inclusive and tends to treat foreigners with a polite though distant kindness. as someone fairly intune with korean and chinese communities it blows my mind that two average americans were recently "transplanted to seoul to train with korean progamers"®. (that could be the subject of a reality TV show that would make millions). the lifestyle, worldview, and social attitudes of an 18 year old korean youth and his american counterpart don't exactly mix like kimchi and pulgogi. foreigners dont understand what sort of devotion koreans progamers put into SC. They have no privacy or no social life as understood by americans, and massive amounts of pressure from society in terms of fitting the mold, following orders, etc. most americans couldnt make it two weeks in korea or china much less two months. i admire idra and nony for their boldness and courage because they could not have known what sort of cultureshock they were getting into when they first signed up with estro. now get ready for the reverse culture shock of returning to the good ole US of A. such an amazing and hardfought oppurtunity...gone but hopefully not wasted. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:12 damenmofa wrote: for that we'd have to agree on the definition of "to whine". also you can not predict y. you can predict ys reaction to x, you cant draw any further conclusions on ys characteristics than "y reacts to x by z". I gonna restate what I said. The fact that you even do it leaves serious questions in regards of your personality. Like whats the motivation behind it? Can you name me any motivation that stems from honorable/good/desirable character traits for your behavior? Cus I could name you quite a few that would make sense that stem from childish/unsecure/undesirable character traits. Maybe you, Sir, are the one that should think about it. i didnt draw any further conclusions. you whine, hence you are a whiner. no assumptions there. just definition. motivation? stupid people are funny. maybe im weird and twisted or whatever, but i find you amusing. | ||
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:15 I3oxerfan wrote: You americans came from Europe. And keep this always in mind when you are going to criticize us. You did nothing for the world. All the things in your universities (old books ...) and all the things in your museums come from Europe and you stole it. You are a britisch colony and nothing else. word. except the part about being a britisch colony. to be fair we did give the world a few notable things including but not limited to: politcal correctness, debt gluttony, rock n roll, racism, and.... + Show Spoiler + | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:14 Mardow wrote: IdrA, ure an arrogant idiot and u will always be one. I wonder what would happen when all pc's would be broken. A white face called IdrA who would still be a virgin with 80 years would leave his cellar God, I'm happy that I got a real life with real friends etc. Agree. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:15 I3oxerfan wrote: stfu Idra. You americans came from Europe. And keep this always in mind when you are going to criticize us. You did nothing for the world. All the things in your universities (old books ...) and all the things in your museums come from Europe and you stole it. You are a britisch colony and nothing else. you're just mad we didnt let you take over the world | ||
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Shiva_Chandra
Denmark341 Posts
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omninmo
2349 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:19 IdrA wrote: you're just mad we didnt let you take over the world that is low so fucking low | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:17 IdrA wrote: i didnt draw any further conclusions. you whine, hence you are a whiner. no assumptions there. just definition. motivation? stupid people are funny. maybe im weird and twisted or whatever, but i find you amusing. Unfortunately for you, stupid people aren't funny | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:19 IdrA wrote: you're just mad we didnt let you take over the world You are just mad because you are a british colony. Idra, which language do you speake? You speake English. Even this is a European language. Go to learn the language of the Indians and stop criticize us. | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
And some conspiracy theorist do believe America is controlled from the shadows by the British Royal family an their evil eugenics ambitions, but thats a story for another day. Futhermore not all Americans come from Europe, only the white ones. | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
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Mardow
Germany6 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:24 mog87 wrote: Yes what if all the pc's in the world broke..yea thats a plausible scenario..good one buddy. Lol, you're stupid if you didn't understand what I wanted to say. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
hehe | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
I wanted to see nony on live tv | ||
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VO_ov
United States46 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:26 I3oxerfan wrote: Yes. But Idra is a white one. except, unlike nazis, i am not racist. i was not making fun of you because you're white, but because you're obnoxious and annoying. much more likely the result of culture than genetics, and whether we're descendants of europeans or not our current cultures are quite obviously different. hence you have no point. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 09 2009 22:23 Tonkerchen wrote: lol @ these tissues in the ashtray ^.^ ROFL so thats what nony does in his free time >.> | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:29 Ilikestarcraft wrote: ROFL so thats what nony does in his free time >.> those were orion's, thats from pgl and he had a nasty head cold | ||
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Stingray
United Kingdom13 Posts
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SaVaGeS
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:30 IdrA wrote: those were orion's, thats from pgl and he had a nasty head cold Now i feel bad | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
You were a british colony, you are a british colony and you will be a british colony. I was not making fun of you because you are white either. You are a white man and white men in the USA came from Europe. But you are obnoxious, because you criticize Europe without any reason. Mondragon would beat you easly. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:15 I3oxerfan wrote: stfu Idra. You americans came from Europe. And keep this always in mind when you are going to criticize us. You did nothing for the world. All the things in your universities (old books ...) and all the things in your museums come from Europe and you stole it. Where did Homer, Platon and Aristoteles come from? They came from Europe. You were a britisch colony and you are a britisch colony. And nothing else. Lol why it is mainly Germans getting pissy at Idra? I think it's because they can't understand the irony. Your argument also seems pretty fail when you can't even spell "British" correctly. STFU this isn't America vs Europe this is just a bunch of idiots like you bashing on Idra for a few comments made in jest. Get a life or go cry some more. | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
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ZlyKiss
Poland697 Posts
but i dont see headlines with Idra winning anything only his immature posts and replies in some weird mini euro-usa flame war anyway too bad Nony`s dream had to be aborted, hes a good guy good luck | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
You see.. - -v | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:34 I3oxerfan wrote: You are an idiot Idra. You were a britisch colony, you are a britisch colony and you will be a britisch colony. I was not making fun of you because you are white either. You are a white man and white men in the USA came from Europe. But you are obnoxious, because you criticize Europe without any reason. you missed the point me being white is irrelevant since culturally the us has diverged from its european roots and since we're talking about superficial aspects of personality and behavior its unlikely caused by genetics and so it is irrelevant that my great grandfather came from europe, since i grew up in american culture. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: The thing is: Idra wins if you take him serious and if u dont he still doesnt 'lose'.. You see.. - -v its like im playing protoss! | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
ahahahahahaha | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Whats all that fuss about protoss man ? Will u blame Toss if u wont eventually win an OSL ? | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
I hope you get the best of the situation Nony. | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:38 IdrA wrote: you missed the point me being white is irrelevant since culturally the us has diverged from its european roots and since we're talking about superficial aspects of personality and behavior its unlikely caused by genetics and so it is irrelevant that my great grandfather came from europe, since i grew up in american culture. You do not understand me. The American culture has European rootage and you should keep this in mind whe you criticize us. Yes, the American culture isn't any more the same as in Europe. But the American culture has European rootage. And I think you should stop criticizing us. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:41 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Whats all that fuss about protoss man ? Will u blame Toss if u wont eventually win an OSL ? The thing is: Idra wins if you take him serious victory | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:42 I3oxerfan wrote: You do not understand me. The American culture has European rootage and you should keep this in mind whe you criticize us. Yes, the American culture isn't any more the same as in Europe. But the American culture has European rootage. And I think you should stop criticizing us. if its diverged it is irrelevant where it originated from. you originally came from africa. did you want to exterminate yourselves? | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: The thing is: Idra wins if you take him serious and if u dont he still doesnt 'lose'.. You see.. - -v Show me a big tournament he won since he is in Korea. He was even not able to win a courage. | ||
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YeLLowLiGht
United States2 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:41 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Whats all that fuss about protoss man ? Will u blame Toss if u wont eventually win an OSL ? Omg this is ridiculous IRONY GO LOOK IT UP | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:43 IdrA wrote: if its diverged it is irrelevant where it originated from. you originally came from africa. did you want to exterminate yourselves? No it is not irrelevant where it originated from because you can see the European rootage in the American culture (LANGUAGE!!!). | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:42 I3oxerfan wrote: You do not understand me. The American culture has European rootage and you should keep this in mind whe you criticize us. Yes, the American culture isn't any more the same as in Europe. But the American culture has European rootage. And I think you should stop criticizing us. Who made YOU European Ambassador of lame retorts? Stop being offended by nothing. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:43 I3oxerfan wrote: Show me a big tournament he won since he is in Korea. He was even not able to win a courage. neither was nony, neither was draco, or pj or lx | ||
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SaVaGeS
7 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:45 I3oxerfan wrote: No it is not irrelevant where it originated from because you can see the European rootage in the American culture (LANGUAGE!!!). Oh god, just stop already, you're making us europeans look like retards. | ||
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
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vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:43 Klive5ive wrote: Omg this is ridiculous IRONY GO LOOK IT UP I think Phil wasn´t serious Mister lol | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:46 SaVaGeS wrote: Oh god, just stop already, you're making us europeans look like retards. Stop to deny our European culture. The only thing I want is a "srry" from Idra for his wiggings to us Europeans and our player. | ||
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Flaccid
8836 Posts
Maybe not now, but 10 years down the road when you're reflecting on all of the hours spent playing BW while taking orders at a Denny's because it was the only reliable job you could find outside of a 20 km radius of your ex-wife and your kid - a minimum radius you earned by loosing your cool one night after finding her fellating your best friend, using your old eStro jersey for clean-up. And then you're sitting in your car with a gun thinking "Flaccid on TL.net was right, bitches ain't shit." | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:47 vGl-CoW wrote: attention morons: being stupid enough to let yourself get trolled by idra is a bannable offense consider yourselves warned HAHAHAHAHA SIDE NOTE: I'm fairly sure it's not Idra doing the trolling in this case... | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
If he is serious then he's rubbish at Irony... so what I said still stands. | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:47 vGl-CoW wrote: attention morons: being stupid enough to let yourself get trolled by idra is a bannable offense consider yourselves warned . | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:48 I3oxerfan wrote: Stop to deny our European culture. The only thing I want is a "srry" from Idra for his wiggings to us Europeans and our player. Why would that make any difference?! You're a brainless moron who sucks at arguments and thinks he know it all. Sorry | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
  and lol. | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:52 Klive5ive wrote: Why would that make any difference?! You're a brainless moron who sucks at arguments and thinks he know it all. Sorry It would make a difference. For me and some other people. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:50 Klive5ive wrote: If he is serious then he's rubbish at Irony... so what I said still stands. But, even so, it's funny to think of a hypothetical Idra, who has just lost the OSL finals to Stork. Stork comes over to Idra to console him and congratulate him on games well played. Idra keeps his eyes downcast, turns away to join his teammates, and mutters, under his breath, "Cheesy noob." | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
ROFL First, you post, "I will stop posting in this thread." Then you see Klive's post, you go EDIT OUT WHAT YOU WROTE, and then you flame him. Great stuff. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:53 motbob wrote: But, even so, it's funny to think of a hypothetical Idra, who has just lost the OSL finals to Stork. Stork comes over to Idra to console him and congratulate him on games well played. Idra keeps his eyes downcast, turns away to join his teammates, and mutters, under his breath, "Cheesy noob." Yeah that would be funny. Then in the post match interview "Well I knew playing Stork would be hard because he's a skill-less noob who only uses Protoss because he can't handle a real race. I played 200% better than him but because of the nature of the match-up it still wasn't enough" | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
switched to protoss won a starleague hes still a terran at heart though. stands on stage and says he lost starleague finals cuz he misclicked goon range. he has media nerd rage in him. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
nope | ||
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
During the time he was there though, he accomplished quite a bit, so it surely wasnt a waste, but I wonder if maybe Cloud would still be down there, but yet again, impossible to know | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
how can a statement like that even BE wrong, much less be taken seriously and more to the point "europeans are gay"=proxy7 gate 'taken seriously'=try to defend the zealots and die, i win 'dont take seriously'=kill gate with scvs, live but be behind in economy siiiiince you edited it your post originally said "now you're simply wrong" | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:12 IdrA wrote: stork was a newbie terran switched to protoss won a starleague hes still a terran at heart though. stands on stage and says he lost starleague finals cuz he misclicked goon range. he has media nerd rage in him. You ought to switch to Protoss and win a starleague! We'd all like that, just don't forget the goon range. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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SaVaGeS
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
Disgraceful Edit: on another note, apparently gg.net members still believe Rekrul? Huh? | ||
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koreasilver
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
edit: On February 09 2009 16:12 Phoned wrote: Fuck... GL NoNy, I look forward to seeing your next chance in SC2. The only good news is that I can take this shitty ESTRO logo off of my signature. LOL | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:37 littlechava wrote: moral of the story: i wanna be on rekrul's sc2 team Top knotch whores, hilarious Korean swearing by rekrul, and cameo appearances by crazy. sounds good, imo. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:35 Hazz wrote: it gets even better when you realize he went back and editted more stuff in after he stopped posting. Jesus christ Boxerfan literally has the worst argument skills I've ever witnessed even tried to change 'britisch' to 'british' in every post, but missed a couple. | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:32 jwd241224 wrote: Guys, the 500th-550th posts in this thread are almost as bad as the first 50 in gg.net's thread on this topic Disgraceful Edit: on another note, apparently gg.net members still believe Rekrul? Huh? I just read the gosogamers.net thread. What are u talking about?? The complete gosugamers thread is 10 times better and has much more class than this complete thread here. Wow. I didn't know we (as I am a TLer) could fall so low .Keep up the "good" work...kids. | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:42 Drazzzt wrote: I just read the gosogamers.net thread. What are u talking about?? The complete gosugamers thread is 10 times better and has much more class than this complete thread here. Wow. I didn't know we (as I am a TLer) could fall so low .Keep up the "good" work...kids. lol, did you check out the news post though? holy shit is all I have to say. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
Imagine an american qualify for MSL and go for the selection. He will look damn awkward. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:42 IdrA wrote: it gets even better when you realize he went back and editted more stuff in after he stopped posting. even tried to change 'britisch' to 'british' in every post, but missed a couple. and whats so bad about not being able to speak the language as good as a native person ? ô.Ô But you are completely right: If you sound pissed off and take such things serious you have 'lost' anyway. I mean the ' american scumbag with european roots' was a phrase no one really took serious because everyone knew the intention. Im not sure what those few German guys here want to achieve .. But seriously Idra how hard is it to cope with the harsh training schedule ? Like on a scale from .. 0 to 10 ? ( for your .. obviously.. ) | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:47 vGl-CoW wrote: attention morons: being stupid enough to let yourself get trolled by idra is a bannable offense consider yourselves warned so trolling is no offense? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
kinda funny to note that immediately before cj started raping winners league they cut our schedualed practice hours back a bit. but its probably just coincidence since most people keep practicing extra on their free time anyway. | ||
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:37 littlechava wrote: moral of the story: i wanna be on rekrul's sc2 team edit: LOL Fuckin traitor I say! | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I just wonder .. what it feels like to play so much For sure it's great to see how you get better, understand the game more and more.. how u see yourself evolving.. developing.. Still it's pretty.. exhausting , isnt it ? Im not even speaking about the physical things.. but basicaly you have the game on your mind all the time and you are so focused on it. I mean havent u been afraid of that point u can come to, where you suddenly realize: Thats not exactly what i want to do, really.. Maybe that's what happened to Nony ? Thats just speculation, though.. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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RogerRus
Norway87 Posts
I could see nony going somwhere, soooo close on winning courage on first try, deffintaly would have done it next time. I never have seen skill enough from Idra to make me believe he could do much in the korean scene.(do prove me wrong please=) | ||
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HiOT
Sweden1000 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:59 IdrA wrote: ive never had much of a problem with it, although i do feel like the practice is more effective, or at least i enjoy it more, right after a vacation. and there have been a few times when i felt they werent giving us enough sleep, but the koreans seem to be ok on less sleep than i am. but like i said, everyone has different tolerances. kinda funny to note that immediately before cj started raping winners league they cut our schedualed practice hours back a bit. but its probably just coincidence since most people keep practicing extra on their free time anyway. Or the players just felt relifed and less pressurized? | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On February 10 2009 02:28 VIB wrote: Artosis shouldn't play with the dinner like that. LOL | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
1. Nony has a fiancee, whom he presumably loves and cares for. It may occur to some of you, if you had ever actually been in a serious relationship, that he missed her - that it's not just "some spoiled demanding girl". One of many factors in his decision, obviously. 2. Nony went to a good college, and is pretty intelligent. Unlike you trolling dicks, he actually has a successful future ahead of him in the "real" world, being educated, intelligent, and well adjusted socially. This could be a factor in coming home imo. 3. Nony is disciplined. Anyone who can tolerate the progamer training regiment for any amount of time is disciplined. But culture shock is what it is, whether you think you're prepared for it or not. Having a successful happy life at home does not make this any easier to deal with. 4. Nony did not go to Korea for you. He doesn't owe you anything personally. Support him like you supported him when he went to Korea. And people wonder why I complain about this forum's population... | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On February 10 2009 01:59 IdrA wrote: ive never had much of a problem with it, although i do feel like the practice is more effective, or at least i enjoy it more, right after a vacation. and there have been a few times when i felt they werent giving us enough sleep, but the koreans seem to be ok on less sleep than i am. but like i said, everyone has different tolerances. kinda funny to note that immediately before cj started raping winners league they cut our schedualed practice hours back a bit. but its probably just coincidence since most people keep practicing extra on their free time anyway. I would imagine everyone is going to respond differently to those routines. I'd bet the odds are good a lot of those players would be better if they practiced 2 hours less and slept 2 hours more, etc. Simply speaking from personal experience, if I play too much, I start to actually get worse. Maybe that colors my opinion of things. But then, looking at it like a job - countless studies have shown workers will get just as much done in a 6 hour day with several long breaks than in an 8 hour day with one short lunch break. Studies prove the benefits of taking breaks to nap, eat, meditate - and to do it frequently if you're doing something mentally strenuous. Then again, there's huge incentive to stick with what obviously works (at least for some players). I think it would be interesting to see these teams bring in some ideas from these areas to try and improve training efficacy. The fact is, you just won't learn or perform as well when you're mentally depleted - so why push it? Would be cool to see a practice schedule with naps and meditation and stuff worked in, and I bet it would work. | ||
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
Its so funny seeing this kid flaming. ..^^ Well but still its sad to see Nony leave Korea. Draco, Nony, White-Ra, Mondragon (in case of Nony we dont know of course) they all have the talent but obivously not the passion to become pro in Korea. So our only hope is that you can become... without ... (censored the rest of my sentence in order to dont get banned ; ) The statement above is and should be considered as my private opinion. Of course you can have an other opinion especially if you are special dedicated person with passion. This person should instead of flameing say nothing but prove my opinion wrong. PS: go Liquibition + Show Spoiler + Please dont overreact if you understood what i mean. | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
You know nothing about history. You are not as good as you think. There a lot of European pros which are better than you. Draco, Mondragon, Brat, Strelok. Stop criticizing us. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
and boxerfan none of the "pros" you mentioned are pros. | ||
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
On February 10 2009 02:44 Louder wrote: 2. Nony went to a good college, and is pretty intelligent. Unlike you trolling dicks, he actually has a successful future ahead of him in the "real" world, being educated, intelligent, and well adjusted socially. This could be a factor in coming home imo. Wait, I know he went to a good college, but didn't he major in Philosophy? I disagree with the successful future ahead claim :-D | ||
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amoxicilline
France1124 Posts
It's easy to criticize while no european gamer has the balls to go to korea I'm pretty sure nowadays idra > all european gamers | ||
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
also love how seriously random europeans take him | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On February 10 2009 03:16 ItsYoungLee wrote: Wait, I know he went to a good college, but didn't he major in Philosophy? I disagree with the successful future ahead claim :-D hard science majors have a new dig for philosophy students: lazy phil majors - they can't hack rigorous korean bw training schedules | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On February 10 2009 03:02 I3oxerfan wrote: stfu Idra. You know nothing about history. You are not as good as you think. There a lot of European pros which are better than you. Draco, Mondragon, Brat, Strelok. Stop criticizing us. Yeah, because Mondragon, Brat, and Strelok are all progamers, and Draco was one for more than a month -_- IdrA is the best non-Korean player, but he doesn't even have to be that to be better than those guys. America has the best BW players outside Korea, period. Also biggest army. U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A | ||
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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koreasilver
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On February 10 2009 02:53 HanN00b wrote: I had great fun last pages. Idra vs Europe episode #999999999 rocks. Its so funny seeing this kid flaming. ..^^ Well but still its sad to see Nony leave Korea. Draco, Nony, White-Ra, Mondragon (in case of Nony we dont know of course) they all have the talent but obivously not the passion to become pro in Korea. So our only hope is that you can become... without ... (censored the rest of my sentence in order to dont get banned ; ) The statement above is and should be considered as my private opinion. Of course you can have an other opinion especially if you are special dedicated person with passion. This person should instead of flameing say nothing but prove my opinion wrong. PS: go Liquibition + Show Spoiler + Please dont overreact if you understood what i mean. i hope we will see nony vs. idra in Liquibition soon, good players = gg | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
-edited ( it seems that we can't troll/ flame anymore) Gl Nony and Idra. On a serious note Idra vs Mondi on Liquidbition would be so awesome. Lot of drama material. | ||
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20Nation
United States258 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On February 10 2009 03:41 koreasilver wrote: lol, American sucks even if one of their carrier ship is capable of winning a war against some countries. You're from Canada and your English is this bad? Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Canada primary schools for the lose. | ||
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Mardow
Germany6 Posts
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:27 Mardow wrote: IdrA, do you play ICCUP? If yes, whats ur rank? this is your next angle? seriously? just get out. | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
Well, it was fun while it lasted and I wish him the best for the future /sadpanda | ||
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Mardow
Germany6 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:28 H wrote: this is your next angle? seriously? just get out. eh? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:27 Mardow wrote: IdrA, do you play ICCUP? If yes, whats ur rank? How is this even remotely relevant? 5 bucks says this is the same guy (not really, probably a different person). | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
?? why are you asking IdrA for his ICC rank, it doesn't even matter here, and if you didn't know he is a progamer in korea a member of CJ. -_- edit: oh sorry I assumed you were one of the guys "fighting" with IdrA. T_T | ||
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Mardow
Germany6 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
I think I've seen IdrA get to A- | ||
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sAw
965 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:23 selboN wrote: You're from Canada and your English is this bad? Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Canada primary schools for the lose. Did you mean "Canadian primary...". | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
oh no NonY | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On February 10 2009 03:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote: what a fucking sad thread.. on so many levels. Make a contribution, let's sink it to a new low. | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:35 Puosu wrote: edit: oh sorry I assumed you were one of the guys "fighting" with IdrA. T_T On February 10 2009 00:14 Mardow wrote: IdrA, ure an arrogant idiot and u will always be one. I wonder what would happen when all pc's would be broken. A white face called IdrA who would still be a virgin with 80 years would leave his cellar God, I'm happy that I got a real life with real friends etc. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:55 Louder wrote: Make a contribution, let's sink it to a new low. I don't think you intended on being contradictory. Maybe you perceived yourself witty. In any case.. I find it funny when you post Makes me feel smart. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 10 2009 05:10 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I don't think you intended on being contradictory. Maybe you perceived yourself witty. In any case.. I find it funny when you post Makes me feel smart.ROFL Idra vs. Europe Incontrol vs Louder Rekrul telling Nony to break up with his fiance. Mods telling people that if they get trolled, they're going to get banned. I wonder if this thread could get any better/worse... EDIT: I've got it! It's time for Dino, LastShadow, and PuertoRican to come in on alternate accounts and give their 2 cents. + Show Spoiler + I think a black hole would form from the shittiness of this thread and destroy all of TL. | ||
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Yizuo
Germany1537 Posts
also, it's a good thing I dont give a fuck about nationalism, otherwise I had to be ashamed of some german posters here... | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
kind of sucks for the other people who didn't get to go to Korea from the spirit tournament (especially Cloud).. a wasted opportunity for someone who really could have dedicted himself and stayed for at least 6 months... I'm guessing whatever the reason was it must have been pretty damn good and also totally unexpected.. at least I sure hope it was, otherwise he should have let someone else go. | ||
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fanatacist
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On February 10 2009 05:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: ~Godwin's law~ Look, Hitler killed over 6 million Jews. All Nony did was go back to America for personal reasons. So if Hitler is the evilest person in history, and everyone is flaming Idra for his comically anti-European stance, then why not just give the guy a break? He achieved a lot for the foreign BW community and will continue I feel, even if it's not by beating Flash in the OSL. | ||
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frankbg
Canada335 Posts
On February 10 2009 03:38 Ancestral wrote: America has the best BW players outside Korea, period. Also biggest army. U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A This is why I hate most americans, fucking monkey groupthink attitude "USA USA USA" Anyone who believes having the biggest army makes you a good country should be shot. | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
Hope dies last :| | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Anyway do u remember this guy named Nony? Here are 2 good posts people should read before posting shit about how Nony dissapointed you. On February 10 2009 02:44 Louder wrote: I like all these kids judging Nony as if they know better. I certainly don't know him well enough to say I can guess the exact reasons, but I have a few ideas. Let's review some facts: 1. Nony has a fiancee, whom he presumably loves and cares for. It may occur to some of you, if you had ever actually been in a serious relationship, that he missed her - that it's not just "some spoiled demanding girl". One of many factors in his decision, obviously. 2. Nony went to a good college, and is pretty intelligent. Unlike you trolling dicks, he actually has a successful future ahead of him in the "real" world, being educated, intelligent, and well adjusted socially. This could be a factor in coming home imo. 3. Nony is disciplined. Anyone who can tolerate the progamer training regiment for any amount of time is disciplined. But culture shock is what it is, whether you think you're prepared for it or not. Having a successful happy life at home does not make this any easier to deal with. 4. Nony did not go to Korea for you. He doesn't owe you anything personally. Support him like you supported him when he went to Korea. And people wonder why I complain about this forum's population... It's not this simple. You don't know what kind of girl she is. Also, seeing as we don't have the full story (I couldn't even pull much out of him) there are probably other factors involved. Possibly strict parents that are brought up in such a way that it's unacceptable in their eyes that he's "abandonded" is gf temprorarily. There could be other factors involved. The GF/family could be broke and needs Nony to work a job to help support the family. Do you idiots think Nony is stupid? I highly doubt he's leaving progaming simply because his girlfriend is crying "TYLER I MISS YOU I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE U NEED TO COME BACK!" Progaming was his dream. Theres obviously a good reason. So, everyone, please shut the fuck up. Edit: Last post from Rekrul. | ||
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frankbg
Canada335 Posts
On February 10 2009 04:23 selboN wrote: You're from Canada and your English is this bad? Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Canada primary schools for the lose. You're from the United States and you haven't thought that maybe he was french-canadian, or that english might not be his first language? Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? American primary schools for the lose. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I hope you enjoyed your time and I hope your life at home is happy/secure. Good luck on everything and thank you for the entertainment during your climb up, it got me threw a few super boring days. Cheers, weclome back to the U-S-A! | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Shame, i tought Nony could do it. Keep going Idra. | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
But yeah, tough to see Nony go. But you gotta do what you gotta do. | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
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AstraBoy
Peru363 Posts
In other hand, foreigners are completely alone, and that must be very hard do deal with Stop sending foreigners, they wont never ever win a starleague or something big in Korea. And thats not new | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
Nony, I wish you weren't leaving, but if you have to you have to. | ||
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
On February 09 2009 20:25 likeaboss wrote: Lol Idra. Ok I have an opinion that is not going to be recieved well by others once again so here it goes but I think it needs to be said. First let me say Nony I was blown away by your second at courage and really really thought that you were going to go places and it is sad to see such a promising career cut short. I now will get to the bad part. I am kidna disappointed/ annoyed that ANOTHER foriegner has left after doing nothing in in televised matches or by staying there for an extended time period. I don't know why people in Korea continue to waste their money and time sending over foriegner prospects if we keep wasting time and money by leaving before any training and fully take place and be cemented in our thoughts. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Nony has a good reason for leaving but I really just am annoyed that people can flip flop on their "dream" so quickly. It bothers me alot because this bodes horribly for all foriegners and I cannot see another foriegner ever getting accepted to a pro team to play starcraft unless they reside in China. I feel that players say ok yeah I am going to have to train hard and it will suck but I can do it, but no one ever can tough it out over there. You have to fully grasp you wont see friends or family for month or maybe years.... your personal life will basically be limited to nothing outside of Korea. I am in no way saying that these are small sacrafices but I am just saying one needs to be aware of these before signing up for such a serious task. It just really bothers me because us "foriegners" are seen as a group and when a few represent us and all do the same actions, it reflects poorly upon us all. I know that it is only one person going over there, you, but what people who go to live in Korea need to realize, their actions reflect upon us all. Nutshell: Sad Nonys promising and illustrius carreer is cut short and wish him the best, but also disappointed that all foriegners will soon be looked upon as quitters. Edit: Also this gives me a ton more appreciation for what Idra has to endure and after I met him at WCG I was a fan but now I wish him nothing but the best and domination in Korea. Yeah this is what I was saying to someone yesterday, I hope his leaving doesn't ruin it for foreigners in the future. The thing is they should now be reluctant to fly us out there, I don't see any foreigners getting their flight paid for anytime soon. Nony was representing us. | ||
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
On February 10 2009 00:14 Mardow wrote: IdrA, ure an arrogant idiot and u will always be one. I wonder what would happen when all pc's would be broken. A white face called IdrA who would still be a virgin with 80 years would leave his cellar God, I'm happy that I got a real life with real friends etc. agree totally... everything out of the kid's mouth is obnoxious.. please just stfu Idra... oh and I wouldn't give the kid too much credit for staying in Korea... like other people were saying it's easy to stay in Korea when you have no fucking life in America to come back to. Hell I'd stay in Korea too if I was an ugly ass nerdy white virgin. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On February 10 2009 05:31 frankbg wrote: This is why I hate most americans, fucking monkey groupthink attitude "USA USA USA" Anyone who believes having the biggest army makes you a good country should be shot. U S A U S A America! Fuck yeah! haha, you do know it is a joke right? | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
edit: according to facebook, here's a pic of nony and his gf leaving their dorm a year or so ago ![[image loading]](http://photos-e.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2322/104/96/804526/n804526_44284044_4482.jpg) | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
On February 10 2009 07:46 littlechava wrote: usa > europe haha yes, you can | ||
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