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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 04 2008 07:45 GMT
#61
BGH is a 3v3 UMS.
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Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
December 04 2008 07:58 GMT
#62
On December 04 2008 16:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
BGH is a 3v3 UMS.


What? No.

Basically, everything Insane and NoobsofWraith said is correct.
Just adding a couple of points.

1v1 PvT on BGH is a crap shoot IMO. It's so position dependant, it's not even funny. Like if T spawns 5 and P spawns 3 or if T spawns 9 and P spawns 6 or 7, or any of the gay positions that allow T to rape P's nat, etc. Those things don't necessarily tip the balance to the T, as P still has early->midgame map control and can expand somewhere safely, but I feel that it does even the score a bit. Especially if the T abuses drops and cliffing.

In 3v3, PPP is still strong, but I think that PPZ or even PPT is the more versatile team if facing off against randoms. It does well against PPP as well, though it is really position dependent. If Z or T gets a shitty position where it's hard for teammates to reinforce, you're fucked. But early games, speedlings or marines behind teammates zealots are both really good. And if game goes to midgame, T metal rapes hard with Toss support.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
December 04 2008 08:36 GMT
#63
Isn't there a video on the internet of BGH Boxer vs 7 people on bnet or something crazy like that


An important strat in BGH is to tech to drops as terran and land tanks at 11 on the ridge. And then BM a lot
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 04 2008 13:16 GMT
#64
On December 04 2008 06:14 HnR)Insane wrote:
I haven't played much PvZ 1v1 on BGH simply because Z is regarded as so much weaker there are almost no players of Z 1v1 on BGH.

Not true!

I played ZvP vs Surfer
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-04 13:23:37
December 04 2008 13:23 GMT
#65
Yeah and I played ZvP vs Mad[WinneR] Playing someone who's less skilled than you (and P is supposed to be Surfer's offrace anyway ) isn't a convincing proof!
If you survive up to a certain point with a strong economy/tech as Zerg, then I think the ability to rapidly switch unit production between unit types easier than protoss (and also the fact that morphing archons is a pain in the ass when you're trying to also fight / micro armies) gives Zerg a good shot. It's just the fact that you can't get there.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-05 21:26:38
December 04 2008 13:59 GMT
#66
hmm, we played 2 games and result was 1-1 -.-

But they were interesting games I believe.

Here are they for all the world to see: -> click <-
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 05 2008 17:41 GMT
#67
On December 04 2008 14:52 b_unnies wrote:
theres basically really no bgh strategy.

each race has only 1 build that works


This is unbelievably wrong.
Hi.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
December 05 2008 17:46 GMT
#68
On December 04 2008 22:23 HnR)Insane wrote:
If you survive up to a certain point with a strong economy/tech as Zerg, then I think the ability to rapidly switch unit production between unit types easier than protoss (and also the fact that morphing archons is a pain in the ass when you're trying to also fight / micro armies) gives Zerg a good shot. It's just the fact that you can't get there.

So what you're saying is...1v1 BGH NR10? no dl XpErTz only?
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
December 05 2008 18:57 GMT
#69
On December 04 2008 15:50 beefhamburger wrote:
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On December 04 2008 15:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
On December 04 2008 07:54 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Protoss is not necessarily the strongest 1v1 on BGH but it is the strongest in team games on BGH. That said, Z < P 1v1 on BGH and Z <<<<<<< T 1v1 on BGH, at least in the hands of two fairly skilled players or equally skilled players.

As for zerg, zerg sucks ass on BGH. It's a matter of the way economy works. Think about it this way. On a low money map, the main has maybe 8-10 mineral patches. Off of a 9 pool, the zerg can still have one drone on each patch. Even hunters has 10 mineral patches. But BGH has 15 mineral patches. This means that the protoss/terran's ability to continuously make workers throughout the entire early game of making units pays off far more than the zergs. The zerg can certainly keep up with the protoss or terran for maybe 5 minutes, but after that it's over unless the zerg has really really hurt the T or P. Protoss can easily support 4-5 gate zealots by the 5 minute mark on BGH, because they're getting far more minerals than on low money simply by virtue of the fact that their 25 probes are mining from 15 patches instead of 9 patches like on python. This advantage does not help zerg at all.

PvT on BGH is different for the same reasons I just listed. There are specific BGH BO's, like 3 gate fast goon, that are just not doable on low money, because once you get past 9 probes mining minerals, you're already taking in more money over the same period of time than you could in low money. MM gets SLAUGHTERED by goons on BGH, unless your allies buy you time to really get a huge mass of MM, and in terms of 1v1 you'd have to play a really turtling, fast siege build vs goons because the normal 5 rines FD or w/e you want to do won't work when your opponent can have 9-10 goons at the time they have 5 on low money

Positions play a huge role in BGH, as in any 3v3 or 4v4. 5 can tank 3's gas from below from his own base, you can tank most of the naturals' mineral lines from across the rivers, you can put tanks at 3 to get free shots at any units coming out of 5 or tanks at 9 nat to get free shots at anything coming from shared positions at 6/7, etc.

Protoss late game air with well microed carriers and arbiters is far stronger than even a 200/200 mass of terran 3/3 liaths. The way the map is designed is like carrier heaven; every single path is narrow, you can run away at any point on the map, well placed stasis at chokes and on chunks of units will completely rape the terran. You may not be able to fight the huge mass of 3/3 liath's straight up, but then...you're not supposed to. Micro well on BGH and carriers >>> liath due to the pathing and terrain


Absolutely correct and well put.
But once you figure this out, you should stop playing BGH (competitively) actually, since you've pointed out all the major flaws of that map. Or to put it differently: stop trying to be good at BGH, since the map is absolutely not worth it, it's a piece of shit.
A BGHer who realizes this is too good for the BGH scene anyway and should start playing low.

Why should that BGHer play low when he has more fun playing BGH? The main reason people play any certain map or game type is because it's more fun for them.


I know, even I played it a bit every now and then because the stupid map combined with the low skill level of public games allows you to experiment with a lot of stuff which can be fun.
But I wrote "competitively" for a reason... there's nothing more silly than BGH players who think they rock when playing BGH. Except maybe players who are like that and use hacks as well.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
December 05 2008 19:45 GMT
#70
On December 04 2008 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote:
hmm, we played 2 games and result was 1-1 -.-

But they were interesting games I believe.

Here are they for all the world to see: -> click <-

link doesn't work
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 05 2008 21:29 GMT
#71
sorry, updated with a working link.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 06 2008 03:44 GMT
#72
On December 04 2008 16:58 Conquest101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2008 16:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
BGH is a 3v3 UMS.


What? No.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't expecting anyone to take that literally.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
December 06 2008 03:51 GMT
#73
ugh i hate how replays are like unwatchable now.
Surado-
Profile Joined May 2006
Korea (South)64 Posts
December 06 2008 09:27 GMT
#74
LOL....
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dyos
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
December 08 2008 03:35 GMT
#75
In 1v1 terran is greater than all other races.

Vs protoss, you can wall in and go 2 facts + more facts once you have extra and you will shut down protoss early on. There isn't enough space for dagoons to surround, so vulture+mines+tanks will shut down a toss before a carrier pops out. Get an ebay if you suspect he'll go DTs or reaver. Its BGH, so you can just ram everything down his throat and camp.

Vs zerg you can go 2 rax in to academy and camp out side their base. and just spam turrets. It is unlikely that a zerg can do enough damage with 9 pool because of the time it takes to scout. you can also just turtle and go metal because of 3 gas. Theres no open space except the middle so your tanks will own anything and blast through darkswam.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-08 04:22:39
December 08 2008 04:20 GMT
#76
BGH has been around a long time (as long as brood wars itself, wouldn't you say ). Theorycrafting on BGH would undergo similar criticism as theorycrafting on any other map. You can't just say "oh, I'll do this and that'll beat you ez". The map is not perfectly symmetrical and has many imbalances, which is why it is so exciting for the BGH community.

Every time you start a game you're rolling the dice and gambling for a better or worse spot. Each spot has advantages and disadvantages. The placement of your team on the map could very well determine the outcome of the game under certain numerous circumstances.

A lot of non-FE low money builds work on BGH, they just need to be tweaked for higher income and production of both you and your opponent. Timings are off, but similar in respect to their builds (ie. they're faster a bit).

Terran can benefit from the chokes and water, protoss can benefit from the added minerals for more gateways and zealots, zerg can benefit from the extra gas for heavy gas units like mutas, terran can benefit from cliffing, protoss can benefit from more minerals to cannon with, zerg can benefit from wide bases, a big centre, and small-but-not-too-small chokes, terran can benefit from being able to wall more places than just their choke, protoss carriers can benefit from the water divides, zerg can benefit from easy expansion and a wide base area to doom drop, terran can benefit from being able to siege tank (or even nuke) most expos from the opposing side of the water, protoss always has many angles to reaver or storm drop, zerg can dark swarm a choke rendering ranged defenses useless, terran mm are ridiculously powerful early game, protoss can one base carrier, zerg can 4/5 pool or 9 pool every game, etc.,etc.,etc.

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(Vote): Yes, I would be interested in seeing what stupid things you come up with.
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(Vote): No, BGH is just like fastest. BGH is 3v3 ums for noobs. BGH sucks.
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I would include things like how to cliff, placement of buildings, blindspots, walling how-to, abusable terrain, map imbalances, strategies/build orders, etc.

Most of it would apply to 2v2 3v3 and 4v4. Mostly 3v3. I'd have to say 1v1 BGH is retarded unless it is a modified map for 11vs12 or 6vs7 only. Even then I still think its retarded.


edit: made it easier to read rather than one block of text
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
December 08 2008 07:41 GMT
#77
On December 04 2008 00:57 jra64 wrote:
Yeah, I know the TL community doesn't really like BGH. But I just got back into Starcraft and me and my brother have been playing 1v1s on BGH (I don't think he likes to play anywhere else)

I mainly play on Lost Temple, so I'm with you guys on this one. But I have a lot more fun playing my brother on BGH than I do playing random people on Lost Temple.

I was wondering who you guys think the best race on BGH and possibly how to play Terran. I am doing good with Terran and my brother usually plays Zerg, but I just wanted to post this to see what the TL community thinks because a lot of you that still check these boards are skilled players =).

Also, what would you guys do as a Terran fighting a Protoss that goes straight for Static Defense (with or without quick expo) into Carrier Rush on BGH? If I go absolutely STRAIGHT for a tank by the time I'm getting it I have to slowly push through cannons, and by that time, Carriers on BGH is tough to stop Terran. I had 3/3 Goliaths and he was maxed too, but he kept pushing cannons into the middle. I have 4 expos and about 20 factories and I still lost (we got disconnected, but I may not have held it)

Thanks =). I know to you guys BGH is easy to play, so could you please tell me how to play it 1v1? I look forward to seeing your thoughts.


mmm dude i noe cus i havea bro too it's cus u r playing w/ soem1 u noe

SC is always more fun no matter wat map, playing w/ some1 u noe

that out of the way if he goes carrier on u then go BC on him enough BC's and u'll eat up his cannons like cereal not to mention destroyyyy interceptors
ggyo...
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
December 08 2008 07:56 GMT
#78
On December 08 2008 16:41 R3condite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2008 00:57 jra64 wrote:
Yeah, I know the TL community doesn't really like BGH. But I just got back into Starcraft and me and my brother have been playing 1v1s on BGH (I don't think he likes to play anywhere else)

I mainly play on Lost Temple, so I'm with you guys on this one. But I have a lot more fun playing my brother on BGH than I do playing random people on Lost Temple.

I was wondering who you guys think the best race on BGH and possibly how to play Terran. I am doing good with Terran and my brother usually plays Zerg, but I just wanted to post this to see what the TL community thinks because a lot of you that still check these boards are skilled players =).

Also, what would you guys do as a Terran fighting a Protoss that goes straight for Static Defense (with or without quick expo) into Carrier Rush on BGH? If I go absolutely STRAIGHT for a tank by the time I'm getting it I have to slowly push through cannons, and by that time, Carriers on BGH is tough to stop Terran. I had 3/3 Goliaths and he was maxed too, but he kept pushing cannons into the middle. I have 4 expos and about 20 factories and I still lost (we got disconnected, but I may not have held it)

Thanks =). I know to you guys BGH is easy to play, so could you please tell me how to play it 1v1? I look forward to seeing your thoughts.


mmm dude i noe cus i havea bro too it's cus u r playing w/ soem1 u noe

SC is always more fun no matter wat map, playing w/ some1 u noe

that out of the way if he goes carrier on u then go BC on him enough BC's and u'll eat up his cannons like cereal not to mention destroyyyy interceptors



rofl Cerial!
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jra64
Profile Joined November 2008
United States104 Posts
December 08 2008 22:38 GMT
#79
Thanks for all the useful discussion, I've also got some really good PMs. After a short amount of practice I was able to win 13/15 games. 87% is good enough for me =).
-jra64
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
December 09 2008 00:21 GMT
#80
Protoss mass carriers is unbeatable on BGH. Zerg get raped by mass zeal. It is possible to dominate late game with terran if you get early upgrades and go mass golly/tank.

BGH could actually be played at a very high level if anyone wanted to get really good at it.
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