EPT[Q] BGH Strategy - Page 4
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On December 04 2008 16:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: BGH is a 3v3 UMS. What? No. Basically, everything Insane and NoobsofWraith said is correct. Just adding a couple of points. 1v1 PvT on BGH is a crap shoot IMO. It's so position dependant, it's not even funny. Like if T spawns 5 and P spawns 3 or if T spawns 9 and P spawns 6 or 7, or any of the gay positions that allow T to rape P's nat, etc. Those things don't necessarily tip the balance to the T, as P still has early->midgame map control and can expand somewhere safely, but I feel that it does even the score a bit. Especially if the T abuses drops and cliffing. In 3v3, PPP is still strong, but I think that PPZ or even PPT is the more versatile team if facing off against randoms. It does well against PPP as well, though it is really position dependent. If Z or T gets a shitty position where it's hard for teammates to reinforce, you're fucked. But early games, speedlings or marines behind teammates zealots are both really good. And if game goes to midgame, T metal rapes hard with Toss support. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
An important strat in BGH is to tech to drops as terran and land tanks at 11 on the ridge. And then BM a lot | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9500 Posts
On December 04 2008 06:14 HnR)Insane wrote: I haven't played much PvZ 1v1 on BGH simply because Z is regarded as so much weaker there are almost no players of Z 1v1 on BGH. Not true! I played ZvP vs Surfer  | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
 Playing someone who's less skilled than you (and P is supposed to be Surfer's offrace anyway ) isn't a convincing proof!If you survive up to a certain point with a strong economy/tech as Zerg, then I think the ability to rapidly switch unit production between unit types easier than protoss (and also the fact that morphing archons is a pain in the ass when you're trying to also fight / micro armies) gives Zerg a good shot. It's just the fact that you can't get there. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9500 Posts
But they were interesting games I believe. Here are they for all the world to see: -> click <- | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On December 04 2008 14:52 b_unnies wrote: theres basically really no bgh strategy. each race has only 1 build that works This is unbelievably wrong. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On December 04 2008 22:23 HnR)Insane wrote: If you survive up to a certain point with a strong economy/tech as Zerg, then I think the ability to rapidly switch unit production between unit types easier than protoss (and also the fact that morphing archons is a pain in the ass when you're trying to also fight / micro armies) gives Zerg a good shot. It's just the fact that you can't get there. So what you're saying is...1v1 BGH NR10? no dl XpErTz only? | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On December 04 2008 15:50 beefhamburger wrote: Why should that BGHer play low when he has more fun playing BGH? The main reason people play any certain map or game type is because it's more fun for them. I know, even I played it a bit every now and then because the stupid map combined with the low skill level of public games allows you to experiment with a lot of stuff which can be fun. But I wrote "competitively" for a reason... there's nothing more silly than BGH players who think they rock when playing BGH. Except maybe players who are like that and use hacks as well. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On December 04 2008 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote: hmm, we played 2 games and result was 1-1 -.- But they were interesting games I believe. Here are they for all the world to see: -> click <- link doesn't work | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9500 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't expecting anyone to take that literally. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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Surado-
Korea (South)64 Posts
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dyos
United States108 Posts
Vs protoss, you can wall in and go 2 facts + more facts once you have extra and you will shut down protoss early on. There isn't enough space for dagoons to surround, so vulture+mines+tanks will shut down a toss before a carrier pops out. Get an ebay if you suspect he'll go DTs or reaver. Its BGH, so you can just ram everything down his throat and camp. Vs zerg you can go 2 rax in to academy and camp out side their base. and just spam turrets. It is unlikely that a zerg can do enough damage with 9 pool because of the time it takes to scout. you can also just turtle and go metal because of 3 gas. Theres no open space except the middle so your tanks will own anything and blast through darkswam. | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
). Theorycrafting on BGH would undergo similar criticism as theorycrafting on any other map. You can't just say "oh, I'll do this and that'll beat you ez". The map is not perfectly symmetrical and has many imbalances, which is why it is so exciting for the BGH community. Every time you start a game you're rolling the dice and gambling for a better or worse spot. Each spot has advantages and disadvantages. The placement of your team on the map could very well determine the outcome of the game under certain numerous circumstances. A lot of non-FE low money builds work on BGH, they just need to be tweaked for higher income and production of both you and your opponent. Timings are off, but similar in respect to their builds (ie. they're faster a bit). Terran can benefit from the chokes and water, protoss can benefit from the added minerals for more gateways and zealots, zerg can benefit from the extra gas for heavy gas units like mutas, terran can benefit from cliffing, protoss can benefit from more minerals to cannon with, zerg can benefit from wide bases, a big centre, and small-but-not-too-small chokes, terran can benefit from being able to wall more places than just their choke, protoss carriers can benefit from the water divides, zerg can benefit from easy expansion and a wide base area to doom drop, terran can benefit from being able to siege tank (or even nuke) most expos from the opposing side of the water, protoss always has many angles to reaver or storm drop, zerg can dark swarm a choke rendering ranged defenses useless, terran mm are ridiculously powerful early game, protoss can one base carrier, zerg can 4/5 pool or 9 pool every game, etc.,etc.,etc. + Show Spoiler + Don't click it!! I warned you!! + Show Spoiler + Poll: Do you want me to write a BGH guide? (Vote): Yes, I would be interested in seeing what stupid things you come up with. (Vote): Yes, though I'm not interested in BGH much and solely play low money, I'd still like some tips. (Vote): No, BGH is just like fastest. BGH is 3v3 ums for noobs. BGH sucks. (Vote): No, I'm just simply not interested with a BGH thread cluttering the strategy forum. (Vote): Don't care. I would include things like how to cliff, placement of buildings, blindspots, walling how-to, abusable terrain, map imbalances, strategies/build orders, etc. Most of it would apply to 2v2 3v3 and 4v4. Mostly 3v3. I'd have to say 1v1 BGH is retarded unless it is a modified map for 11vs12 or 6vs7 only. Even then I still think its retarded. edit: made it easier to read rather than one block of text | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
On December 04 2008 00:57 jra64 wrote: Yeah, I know the TL community doesn't really like BGH. But I just got back into Starcraft and me and my brother have been playing 1v1s on BGH (I don't think he likes to play anywhere else) I mainly play on Lost Temple, so I'm with you guys on this one. But I have a lot more fun playing my brother on BGH than I do playing random people on Lost Temple. I was wondering who you guys think the best race on BGH and possibly how to play Terran. I am doing good with Terran and my brother usually plays Zerg, but I just wanted to post this to see what the TL community thinks because a lot of you that still check these boards are skilled players =). Also, what would you guys do as a Terran fighting a Protoss that goes straight for Static Defense (with or without quick expo) into Carrier Rush on BGH? If I go absolutely STRAIGHT for a tank by the time I'm getting it I have to slowly push through cannons, and by that time, Carriers on BGH is tough to stop Terran. I had 3/3 Goliaths and he was maxed too, but he kept pushing cannons into the middle. I have 4 expos and about 20 factories and I still lost (we got disconnected, but I may not have held it) Thanks =). I know to you guys BGH is easy to play, so could you please tell me how to play it 1v1? I look forward to seeing your thoughts. mmm dude i noe cus i havea bro too it's cus u r playing w/ soem1 u noe SC is always more fun no matter wat map, playing w/ some1 u noe that out of the way if he goes carrier on u then go BC on him enough BC's and u'll eat up his cannons like cereal not to mention destroyyyy interceptors | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
On December 08 2008 16:41 R3condite wrote: mmm dude i noe cus i havea bro too it's cus u r playing w/ soem1 u noe SC is always more fun no matter wat map, playing w/ some1 u noe that out of the way if he goes carrier on u then go BC on him enough BC's and u'll eat up his cannons like cereal not to mention destroyyyy interceptors rofl Cerial! | ||
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jra64
United States104 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
BGH could actually be played at a very high level if anyone wanted to get really good at it. | ||
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